true, but the point im trying to make is the age group fresh out of college or high school having money issues or not being able to cover an emergency of xxx dollars doesnt sound like it would be just a "millennial" problem. Would be interesting to see the stats. Like op, go pull the bureau of labor and statistics page (which i posted on page 2) and go from now to '48 on the overall unemployment rate, pretty much the same and as expected has been cyclical. Same thing with this unemployment stat, not really shocking people fresh out of college or high school are unemployed at a higher rate than some.

will never work in corporate, ever. for what? so i can create value of hundreds of thousands of dollars, work 60+ hr weeks and get paid 50k and be happy for it?

gtfo. wood rather own a small shop and make 35k a year and design my own destiny than give up my soul in corporate rat race.

Nope, they didn't. You can thank globalism for the current mess

Of course it's the fault of baby boomers, at least partially, because they were the ones who implemented all of the garbage policies that ****ed Millennials over.

Why are real estate prices so high? Why is rent in NYC $4k a month for a ****hole? Why does a house in Los Angeles cost several times more now than it did when my father was my age? Perhaps it's the millions of immigrants, illegal and otherwise, that the people in power allowed into the country?

In the past 50 years the population of the US went from 150 million to well over 300 million. The Hispanic population went from 6 million to 60 million. Neither of those numbers take into the account the unaccountable, the people who are here illegally. That is a dramatic increase in population.

All of those people have polluted the labor market for Millennials to such an extent where the average Millennial simply cannot afford the things that their parents were able to afford. The average Millennial can't buy a house in a major metropolitan area. The average Millennial couple doesn't have one stay at home parent to take care of their children.

Poor trade policies, shipping American jobs overseas en masse; and poor immigration policies have screwed the Millennial generation. There are 75 million Millennials. Not all of them can be engineers or doctors.

nope, like all sexpats in Asia, you're pure scum. Just look at what you wrote:Either way, you can't stay in China long, Japan is too expensive, and if you're heading to SEA, you're fukked, as the only people surrounding you are vapid self-hating women, and fellow worthless and stuck sexpats like yourself, earning less than the locals. There are plenty of white beggars in bangkok, seen many of your type in the streets. At least the weather's warm.

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/22/w...rmit-visa.html

Don't hijack the woes of this generation for explain your chit lifestyle and work ethic. Face it boyo, you're fukked.

The job market in the West is ****ed. But that isn't the sole reason for the unemployment figures in Millennials.
Millennials are just ****ing terrible workers.

-They are convinced they're victims in every single situation they find themselves.
-You ask them to complete a task and instead of doing it, they will do less than the bare minimum then say "how's that?"
-You cant have a conversation with one without triggering them
-They take no pride in their work
-They always try to get away with doing less than the bare minimum.

i agree. immigration illegal and legal have contributed to the mess for native regular americans.

lmao no, ur a millennial, you should know the truth. millennials are really hard workers who really try hard and get pennys back. ive seen this in multiple industries from retail, food service, corporate, construction, tradie, and insurance.

basically its the same thing as the lords (baby boomers), expecting the peasant (millennials) to do everything, pay them chit, no opportunities, and not say chit.

This. I couldn't find a job when I graduated undergrad in 2011 so I went to grad school, lived at home and got a $15/hour on campus job to pay the tuition full in cash. I got an unpaid internship the first summer in grad school. At the end of the summer the company offered me a full time position for $38,000. I happily took it because it was way more than anything I've ever made before. I finished grad school in 2013 while working full time, kept working hard at my company, and now I'm at $67,000 with the same company five years later. Lesson is to suck it up and work hard. Those are two hard things for millennials to do though...

I'l chime in.

Graduated in 2009 with a degree in "university studies"
Got a job making 35k with a fortune 50 company
Busted my butt, gained industry knowledge
2012, got promoted making 78k
Continued to work hard, just got promoted again
Currently 31, making 120k+

key facts:

went to a company that only promotes from within
worked hard as hell to build value and find my niche
found other millennial such as myself, just didn't want it as bad as I did.
Neither parent even went to college, so I "don't know people" to advance my career

will answer any questions you have

They really have. And there's no racism intended here at all. I love Hispanics. I love immigrants and immigration.

But the reality is that mass immigration has played a key role in destroying the labor market for the Millennial generation. Millennials are hard workers. I've hired Millennials and they work just as hard, heck even harder I would say, than anyone else I've hired.

Not every Millennial can be an engineer or a doctor. There are 75 million Millennials in the country. Millennials work ****ty jobs just as every other generation did. The difference is that previous generations had ****ty jobs that were readily available to them and that paid very well. Millennials do not have that.

ran outta rapes ITT

Not this guy. It's still been an uphill battle for me but I'm getting there. Slowly.

I agree, but that's assuming people can make it as a STEM major. Everyone is chitting on folks for not being STEM, but not everyone can get into med school or be an engineer.

exactly. "the revolving door" employment model is a big problem. now the low end jobs dont want to keep the bottom tier workers around for long, they have those jobs setup so they hire new employees, give them some promises, work them to death, and then replace them with new bottom tier workers. long gone are the days of so many jobs you can start at the bottom and become the ceo or partner in 15-20 years. and if you do stick around you gonna be paid the same you where 20 years ago working the same job lol.

sad

Ding ding ding. We have a winner.

That dude is just talking nonsense. There are 75 million Millennials. Anyone who tries to pigeonhole or stereotype them is a fool.

Personally I'm in your corner buddy. We Millennials got screwed and get a ton of backlash for the situation that our generation is in when it was no fault of our own.The STEM argument is nonsense:

"Bu bu bu but just become an engineer/doctor like me. You'll make so much more money! Oh so much, like $70k. And I can't afford a house in a major city. And yeah my wife has to work too. And we're delaying having children."

BRB 75 million engineers/doctors lol

BRB still can't afford the same things that their parents could

is there a day in your life when you dont mention the word liberal or Marxist?
Wow focus on other things bro, why dont you study anatomy instead?

yeah bruh. the best times where 1946-2000 for america. i know a lot of men in their 80's and 90's right now who legit experienced it all. sounds so much fun.

it sucks too that nowadays we dont even have cool decades. like it would be cool if we had a chit economy like we do now but at least have a groovy/disco decade. nowadays its been the same chit since 2000 lol.

The reason why all those people are stuck working under paid and lesser jobs that they were "promised" is because that massive student debt forces you to stay at those jobs and chains you down. It blows the fuk out of my mind seeing how much a college degree cost these days.

I'll tell you this though, Fuk college, fuk the 9-5 slave garbage. Use the internet to your advantage. Start your own business and build up your own empire. Its easier than ever.

Agree with this, go somewhere that is booming is the key play.

New Zealand is a good option srs

And I'll stand by that. Work sucks. You like a being wage slave and make your boss rich, that's fine.

I can stay in China as much as I want, I have my ways. I came to Japan for a new experience, that's it. Besides, who said I'm going to work? There's ****loads of scholarships, Chinese universities are begging for EU/American students to elevate their prestige, white face on application is more than enough to get it. I wanna enjoy my life, not rot in office wasting my best years. Stay bitter boyo.

To make matters worse, inequality has never been more visible with the internet and social media, top 1% harvesting all the goods and then rubbing everyone elses nose in it.

In on thread bashing millenials for being "entitled".
- We are no different than many other generations in terms of "entitlement".
- We are the most progressive, most educated generation.
- We don't care about your old man opinions, or your generalizations based on your personal anecdotes.


Get an education.

I got 56k right out of college... maybe they should of spent that money on a STEM degree that pays instead of lib arts....

Here's an idea. Let your work speak for you.
If you dont like it, start your own business big shot. Unless that would be too much work... are you starting to get it yet?
The world doesn't owe you anything snowflake.
A baby needs to crawl before it walks.

You point out that I'm a millennial. If that is so then it's the millennial way to not pull your weight and leave the bulk of the work for other millennials who dont have a chip on their shoulder/weren't born with a silver spoon in their mouth.
And no, I'm not a millennial. Raised by a single mother who did her best but couldn't offer me very much.
Been work/supporting myself/living in my own place since I was 16.
Last I checked that does not fit the description of 99.9% of millennials.

I'm 38. I'm a Master Technician for a car dealership. Doing fine, but this didn't happen overnight. When I first got out in the work force, before I was 16 I cut grass around the neighborhood, then worked at a grocery store, bagged, then cashier, then I think I stocked dairy. From there worked at PetSmart, then a décor store. Got a job at an autoparts store, then went to school for automotive technology. Ended up at some tire store, was the kid that couldn't find the dipstick half of the time and had to get help with a lot of the oil filters. Was a general service tech for the Goodyear chains (tires, oil, light stuff) for a long time. Made it to "technician" but I wasn't very strong. When the economy took a dump I got a CDL and drove a truck over the road for two years. Came back to automotive and was pretty much a general service mechanic for a while. I worked two jobs for two years, working garden center at Home Depot. Took some losses, my house got foreclosed on, got fired from the general service position (think that was more personal from a ******* manager). Then I got the job at the dealership where it was the fit I was looking for. It wasn't cake though, took positions and jobs nobody wanted. Finally broke through. Did all their training and now I'm one of the go to guys, there are things there only I can do.

TL;DR I just gave you a cliffs notes of my career, but my point is I took some losses, struggled, and it didn't come fast. I'll just say from each job I learned, every day, and I'm still learning. These millennials that whine about not being able to find a good job and all, my question is what have you done? The glory of victory is earned in the fight.

We can talk all day about what we think is happening on a large scale, but I can tell you personally most all of my peers (probably 85-90%) aren't very employable, rap hit this generation hard. Every kid growing up thought it was cool to not try hard, do drugs, sell drugs, and had the "**** the system" mentality. Now they're all struggling and a big chunk are idiots. Only a few certain friends are doing well and actually work hard.

I actually believe this is the case for most of the country. Just follow social media, most younger people are complete idiots politically and talk with slang/act ghetto and trashy because music made it cool.

Then they wonder why nobody wants them to professionally represent their company, which is where the real paying jobs are.

True for some but a lot of people like me are willing to do so. No one's asking to be a CEO and I'm sure a lot of us are willing to start from the bottom its just really hard to do so when even the very bottom tier jobs require experience. I saw an ad on indeed the other day for a Jr. Analyst position that requires TWO-THREE years of experience. How are you supposed to get experience when even entry level jobs require experience. I'd be more than happy to get a job in my field starting from the bottom making 40k but even those require experience. I'll admit a lot of millenials don't try hard enough and blame society but there are a lot of forces working against new graduates.

That's a weak argument. There are 75 million Millennials in the country. They will work every single job that there is. If they all entered the STEM fields the labor market in those fields would be so diluted by the influx of talent that you would be lucky to have a job at all.Again, there are 75 million Millennials in the country. You sound like the snowflake trying to say that your life has been more difficult than all 75 million of your fellow Millennials. Get over yourself.