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post 1519221241 09-12-2017, 05:09 PM
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Originally Posted By doughnutking⏩
Op, If I put you in a sealed room with a calf, a knife, a gas hob, some vegetable oil, and a frying pan and you had not eaten in two weeks you would beat that calf to death with the frying pan or stab it to death.
If you put me in a room with an infant I'd do the same thing if it meant survival. Is this your idea of a logical argument? Because it ****ing sucks.
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Originally Posted By thebrainiac⏩
If you can't understand how you can obtain every vitamin and nutrient on a vegan diet you're a moron. Did you miss the study I linked from the ADA? Do you think you know more than them?

Zero logic and facts in any of this nonsense rebuttal. Veganism is superior, period.
Superior in what way?
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Originally Posted By thebrainiac⏩
If you put me in a room with an infant I'd do the same thing if it meant survival. Is this your idea of a logical argument? Because it ****ing sucks.
That's your first answer that makes any sense
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Originally Posted By thebrainiac⏩
If you can't understand how you can obtain every vitamin and nutrient on a vegan diet you're a moron. Did you miss the study I linked from the ADA? Do you think you know more than them?

Zero logic and facts in any of this nonsense rebuttal. Veganism is superior, period.
Didn't read. Guessing it has to do with conversion and fermentation. Already said that conversions suck and you'd have to eat pounds upon pounds to replicate the same amount of vitamin found in animal product. Also already said that nobody eats natto and that soy products = estrogen = no wonder your bitch ass talks the way you do.

K1 doesn't convert to K2 adequately.
Good luck getting enough vitamin D3 through seasons where the sun doesn't penetrate. Veganism = soft bones = rickets.
Omega 3's responsible for lowering LDL, but somehow don't because you said animal products are the sole cause of clogged arteries and only a vegan diet can cure it.
Egyptians were mostly vegan yet died from heart disease
Imagine my face when someone tells me fat, not carbohydrates (sugar), is responsible for insulin resistance like it isn't a fukking process where your body is overloaded with sugar, which leads to fat build up from insulin telling your body not to burn fat.
No mentioning of Omega 6 in any of your ramblings despite it being a known precursor for heart disease (coincidentally being the highest fatty acid part of a vegan diet).
Absorption rate of most fat soluble vitamins is absolutely chit without some sort of fat (Vitamin A, for example), and good luck getting vegetable fat without the aforementioned omega 6 fatty acid in a ratio of at least 16:1 6/3.

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Originally Posted By VocelLoser⏩
Uhh.. you do know that there is a minority ethnic group that can drink milk and thrives off it, yeah?

We're called white people. Milk doesn't need to be the massive business that it is, but that's a bold as fuk claim to make.
White people and Indians. See? Indians and white people are pretty much the same thing
post 1519223651 09-12-2017, 05:36 PM
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**** off SJW cuck.
There is room for improvement in the dairy industry but cucks like you just want to bring the whole world down to your level.
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post 1519228291 09-12-2017, 06:26 PM
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Originally Posted By SKBeast⏩
"Egyptians had heart health problems and were mostly vegan"

ahh okay solid point, absolutely nailed it. The amount of autist flowing from your posts is overwhelming. The only sound thing you've said is "fist yourself" (which btw, why do you feel the need to end every post with that? Fukkin weirdo), either way - in this case please take your own advice lmao. Pls go.
Ignoring that point, just LOL at most vegan foods needing the neolithic era of agriculture + thousands more years of developing larger versions of said plant food (plus also needing further fermentation in some cases) before the food became edible (soybeans, lentils, broc****, corn, wheat, grain, etc).

>meant to be vegan
>needing agriculture and GMOs for most plants to be large enough to thrive on

Pick one. I'll stick to consuming meat, tubers, and leaves like my ancestors did, with the added bonus of being white and able to digest milk.
post 1519229241 09-12-2017, 06:39 PM
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I'd pay extra to know that my groceries came from animals ethically treated but so many companies are able to tell half-truths and advertising is full of lies.
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That feel when 100% agree with OP but don't give a chit about cows enough to stop drinking milk and eating cheese.

Sucks but I'm okay with it. Evil humans gon evil. At least I'm not delusional about being righteous like so many other dumbasses.
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Originally Posted By thebrainiac⏩


-Mother gives birth to her calf in horrific chit conditions
-Doesn't even get to spend 10 minutes with it until they come and take calf away
-Proceeds to lock calf away in 3x3 cage where they either kill it for veal if it's male or make it another dairy cow and make it go through the same experience

Dairy is not required whatsoever for human health and is actually very unhealthy.
It's nice that you care and all but it's not going to make you stop having a nice juicy steak is it, unless this has suddenly made you vegetarian. I doubt it.
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Repped numerous people ITT. It truly is disgusting how we're torturing, raping and killing other sentient creatures, simply for our own selfish gain. You don't even need to remove dairy/meat from your diet, just reducing your consumption will greatly help but most people can't be bothered.

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Didn't read all the replies and I definitely eat a ton of cheese and meat but surely there has to be better ways when we're supposed to be the civilized people of the world (Not counting lab meat we may have in the future).
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Lol at tards thinking the meat industry isn't a major polluter.
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lol at ancient humans not being able to get some essential amino acids from plant sources until the agricultural era.

- Phenylalanine
- Humans are naturally vegan

pick 1.

For nuts and seeds argument:

- Phytic Acid
- Nutrient absorption

Pick 1.
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Originally Posted By MBisonSon⏩
Thing is when we start transferring human thoughts and emotions onto animals it opens the door for too much BS.

Fact is animals our here for our consumption, not to be one big happy family where we hang out with cows and chickens and **** like that.
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Why should I care, I'm not a cow
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Originally Posted By JaegerBrah⏩
Repped numerous people ITT. It truly is disgusting how we're torturing, raping and killing othersentient creatures, simply for our own selfish gain. You don't even need to remove dairy/meat from your diet, just reducing your consumption will greatly help but most people can't be bothered.
When did we start considering animals "sentient"?

Seems we've loosened the definition a bit far if that's the case.
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yeah its sad but who was milkshake? who was joocy steak?
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Originally Posted By barbecueyeah⏩
Another horrible thing is the cages for female pigs that need to feed the babies. Basically they put the pig sideways in a cage so small it can't do anything but lie down there for its entire life. Lots of them poor pigs become apathic and/or completely crazy of boredom. I feel like eating less pig these days, luckily european countries have a restriction for how long the pig can be there and in Sweden it's completely banned. Hence why I only buy swedish pork these days.
As a cattle rancher that used to raise pigs, chickens, and I used to milk cows (fresh milk is hnnnnng af) I can assure you these industries weren't always this way. Industrialization of these industries happened and it drove all the small producers out of business and it was done by monopolies and market manipulation. Before the industrialization of the pork and poultry market almost every farm and ranch had both and sold both as a quality product. Then the packers union drove prices so low that only mass production was profitable which ran small guy's out of business and dropped quality through the floor. FYI the same thing is happening to the beef industry right now.
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Originally Posted By TheJediBrah⏩
When did we start considering animals "sentient"?

Seems we've loosened the definition a bit far if that's the case.
sen·tient
ˈsen(t)SH(ē)ənt/Submit
adjective
able to perceive or feel things.
"she had been instructed from birth in the equality of all sentient life forms"
synonyms: (capable of) feeling, living, live; More

You seriously don't think cows, pigs and chickens are sentient?
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Originally Posted By SmillironS⏩
As a cattle rancher that used to raise pigs, chickens, and I used to milk cows (fresh milk is hnnnnng af) I can assure you these industries weren't always this way. Industrialization of these industries happened and it drove all the small producers out of business and it was done by monopolies and market manipulation. Before the industrialization of the pork and poultry market almost every farm and ranch had both and sold both as a quality product. Then the packers union drove prices so low that only mass production was profitable which ran small guy's out of business and dropped quality through the floor. FYI the same thing is happening to the beef industry right now.
The more the demand for animal products go up the worse the industries are going to get. Don't take this personally but any exploitation of animals - no matter how humane it seems - is wrong. The science is 100% rock solid that humans can thrive on a plant based diet and animal products are largely responsible for a couple of the biggest killers in the country (heart disease and cancer, and processed meat is now deemed a class 1 carcinogen in the same category as cigarettes and asbestos).

Meat production is the most environmentally destructive practice that humans do today, and it's not even close. For anyone who hasn't yet, watch the documentary linked up on this page called "Cowspiracy." I also reccomend:



This doesn't only harm animals, it harms people too.

This issue is by far one of the biggest facing humanity as it stands. This subject also brings out incredible amounts of resistance and cognitive dissonance out of people because they are so attached to their bad and destructive habits.
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Originally Posted By thebrainiac⏩
Zero logic and facts in any of this nonsense rebuttal.Veganism is superior, period.
lol... 1st world logic at its finest. Meanwhile...

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I stopped drinking milk years ago
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Originally Posted By thebrainiac⏩
99% of people have zero issues whatsoever transferring human thoughts and emotions onto dogs. Not that you even need this factoid to provide a logical argument that exploiting animals for food and pleasure is wrong.

"Fact is animals our here for our consumption" says who?
Eh that's a perspective thing, I'm sure more than 1% of people in the world eat dog.

We just don't, same as I believe Hindu's don't eat beef, Muslims don't eat pork, etc.

None of that disproves that animals aren't here in some capacity for our consumption.

As a matter of fact if you really wanna think about it that way I'm sure there are some things in your house that used animal products.

Even if not, the wood in whatever you have put some birds and squirrels out of a home.
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Originally Posted By MBisonSon⏩
Eh that's a perspective thing, I'm sure more than 1% of people in the world eat dog.

We just don't, same as I believe Hindu's don't eat beef, Muslims don't eat pork, etc.

None of that disproves that animals aren't here in some capacity for our consumption.

As a matter of fact if you really wanna think about it that way I'm sure there are some things in your house that used animal products.

Even if not, the wood in whatever you have put some birds and squirrels out of a home.
The reality is veganism is a luxury. Vegans would starve if it wasn't for industrialization and oil.
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