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post 1536643901 12-05-2017, 06:47 PM
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close. you're mad I make six figures as a clinical pharmacist at a big academic hospital
the only other stem that would make more than me out of school is a physician, nuclear engineer, or CRNA. fuel the cope.

for someone advocating for STEM, you would prob know that engineering is a 60-70k a year boring desk job and academia is sucking people off for grants.
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Originally Posted By r0bo⏩
lmao my pharm degree makes way me more than any of those other people easily with 40 hrs a week. strong lack of knowledge. chiro and ND is total garbage and not healthcare. RD is fine and needed. tech degrees like xray/sonography are stupidly easy and need like 6 month program certs or AA. i'll also never be automated because pharmacy is the most litigious field in healthcare.
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You go to college to network. Everything else can be done online.

Some dude doing a bullchit political science degree, but actually puts in the effort towards speaking with his professors and faculty coop programs, as well as local government initiatives will end up getting a decent job faster than a statistics major who only shows up to class and does nothing to connect with industry or his professors.

That being said, the network a person with a STEM degree can earn is probably more valuable and diverse than what someone with an Arts or business degree can earn. With non-STEM degrees you kinda have to rely solely on charisma and halo effect to do well outside of college.

Oh and getting a Masters and eventually PhD makes your choice irrelevant, since you'll be paid decently well for good research.
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Originally Posted By r0bo⏩
close. you're mad I make six figures as a clinical pharmacist at a big academic hospital
the only other stem that would make more than me out of school is a physician, nuclear engineer, or CRNA. fuel the cope.
We’re not coping. If we wanted to be pharmacists, we would be. It’s the easiest of the professional programs to get into, and far and away the most boring. I can guarantee 1/3 or more of your class was medical school rejects
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Originally Posted By Reliance012⏩
We’re not coping. If we wanted to be pharmacists, we would be. It’s the easiest of the professional programs to get into, and far and away the most boring. I can guarantee 1/3 or more of your class was medical school rejects
lmao you sound like an m2. gl on your 220 step 1 goals.
don't get the hate towards the profession. it's only my job 5 days a week. I make a great salary and have a good QoL doing clinical work. every seasoned doc I know hates life and regrets their choices.
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Originally Posted By Sanguivorant⏩
That being said, the network a person with a STEM degree can earn is probably more valuable and diverse than what someone with an Arts or business degree can earn. With non-STEM degrees you kinda have to rely solely on charisma and halo effect to do well outside of college.
In what way is it diverse? I attended MSc in Finance and we had people from all background, from Econs, Statistiscs, Math, CS, Finance, Biz, Accounting.
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Originally Posted By r0bo⏩
close. you're mad I make six figures as a clinical pharmacist at a big academic hospital
the only other stem that would make more than me out of school is a physician, nuclear engineer, or CRNA. fuel the cope.

for someone advocating for STEM, you would prob know that engineering is a 60-70k a year boring desk job and academia is sucking people off for grants.
im only concerned with the T in stem
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Originally Posted By HairyCrotchGuy⏩
im only concerned with the T in stem
focusing on IT work while some punjab who is smarter than you and willing to do your work for a fifth of the pay? smart choice.
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Originally Posted By r0bo⏩
focusing on IT work while some punjab who is smarter than you is willing to do your work for a fifth of the pay? smart choice.
Junior web developer makes 75k in usa

Dont even need a degree for that
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Also, people like to chit on accounting, but I can tell ya, having interned at 2 Big 4 firms, it's the most straight-forward, no non-sense way to earn money. It's boring (that's why I'm no longer in it), but if you're a non-competitive person, and choose to do accounting, it's impossible to fuk up. It's not like rocket science where you have to use any bit of your brain, just memorize stuff, and be willing to crunch Excel. GPA of 3.5 (which is extremely ez) from an ok state school and you're good to go. 60-80 hours only during busy seasons, for the majority of the year you'll be chilling at the office with 40h doing nothing, and still earning a min. of 55k-65k depending on location. As you move up the ranks you can earn 90-100k 4-5 years later. It's no Doctor, but again, it's ez money.
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Originally Posted By HairyCrotchGuy⏩
Junior web developer makes 75k in usa

Dont even need a degree for that
which is why they can outsource your job so easily
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Originally Posted By WallStreetDream⏩
In what way is it diverse? I attended MSc in Finance and we had people from all background, from Econs, Statistiscs, Math, CS, Finance, Biz, Accounting.
I just feel like statistics is more applicable in almost every industry.
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Originally Posted By r0bo⏩
tech degrees like xray/sonography are stupidly easy and need like 6 month program certs or AA.
no they have associates or bachelor degrees. 2-4 years
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Originally Posted By r0bo⏩
which is why they can outsource your job so easily
and your job doesnt even need to be outsourced, they can simply write a piece of code to replace you
post 1536648351 12-05-2017, 07:38 PM
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Originally Posted By HairyCrotchGuy⏩
and your job doesnt even need to be outsourced, they can simply write a piece of code to replace you
except for those damn laws that make us tough to replace
your job can be done by a 10 year old indian kid on his moms laptop. Mine requires a doctorate and a license; no matter how pointless you think it is. cope off the charts
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Originally Posted By r0bo⏩
except for those damn laws that make us tough to replace
your job can be done by a 10 year old indian kid on his moms laptop. Mine requires a doctorate and a license; no matter how pointless you think it is. cope off the charts
Admittedly made me chuckle
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Originally Posted By Reliance012⏩
Admittedly made me chuckle
so you're a PhD candidate? why such resent for pharm? academia is the ultimate cuck lifestyle. getting into a PhD program is purely who you know and simple af.
I did undergrad in molec bio and was between a PhD in epigenetics or pharm. My research was in botany and epigenetics and my PI wanted me to goto Cornell or UGA to work with her mentors. working with my 35 year old post doc making 35k a year made my mind up quickly. PI was late 30s - went to Swarthmore and UGA and barely made 70k as a adjunct at my school.
I'm published and work at a large academic hospital. I do great work and love my position. I get that a lot of pharms are idiots and just ride the wave but I did a 2 year residency as well, know my ****, and use it daily to help people.
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Originally Posted By Sanguivorant⏩
I just feel like statistics is more applicable in almost every industry.
Yes, it is used everywhere, and I secretly regretted not doing Stats or Math during undergrad.

But what you said has no relevance whatsoever with the networking part. Networking is networking, whether you study biz, law, or history.
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Originally Posted By HairyCrotchGuy⏩
Healthcare is a good field to get into but it is hard as well. Even for chit positions like nurse you need to study 4 years.


As for finance/economics/business management just lol. Bullchit degrees that have 0 value irl for 99% of the people who graduate
Nursing isn't a shyt position at all. Stepsister is a nurse and makes more money than me. And she graduated AFTER me.
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Originally Posted By r0bo⏩
except for those damn laws that make us tough to replace
your job can be done by a 10 year old indian kid on his moms laptop. Mine requires a doctorate and a license; no matter how pointless you think it is. cope off the charts
Ayyyyy lmao.

EE crew checkin in. Don't be too butthurt just cause this man speaks the truth. Most engineers will start well under 6 figures and will cap around 150K or slightly above if they have excellent technical skills. Getting beyond that requires skills that have nothing to do with engineering.

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Originally Posted By PisseninMisc⏩
Ayyyyy lmao.

EE crew checkin in. Don't be too butthurt just cause this man speaks the truth. Most engineers will start well under 6 figures and will cap around 150K or slightly above if they have excellent technical skills. Getting beyond that requires skills that have nothing to do with engineering.

Word of advice to my eng bros: instead of living in denial ask yourself how you can reach the next level.
My ex is a civil with a masters and PE. she prob makes 80-90k now. I am friends with tons of engineers due to her being in TT. they all do fine, but literally one out of 100 is ballin and it was pure luck by landing a VP spot in a small business. Engineering is a great gig that pays well but it will cap out early unless you are business/people savvy.
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Originally Posted By r0bo⏩
My ex is a civil with a masters and PE. she prob makes 80k now. I am friends with tons of engineers due to her being in TT. they all do fine, but literally one out of 100 is ballin and it was pure luck by landing a VP spot in a small business. Engineering is a great gig that pays well but it will cap out early unless you are business/people savvy.
Yup pretty, close although surprised at masters+PE making 80K unless she is a really chitty enginee. Or maybe it's just the higher cost of living here in CA (LA) but I'd expect someone with a master+PE+3-5 years exp to pull in between 110-120K.

I'm with a mid-size consulting firm on a buy-in track for basically the equivalent of a VP (ownership transition and all that jazz). If you don't have top notch social skills and able bring in projects to generate revenue, it will be very difficult to breach 150. Most people will not even get beyond 130ish.

Of course getting to that next level involves taking a lot of risks and responsibilities as well. You basically own a business and have to commit unlimited time and effort to doing whatever it takes to run it.
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Originally Posted By PisseninMisc⏩
Yup pretty, close although surprised at masters+PE making 80K unless she is a really chitty enginee. Or maybe it's just the higher cost of living here in CA (LA) but I'd expect someone with a master+PE+3-5 years exp to pull in between 110-120K.

I'm with a mid-size consulting firm on a buy-in track for basically the equivalent of a VP (ownership transition and all that jazz). If you don't have top notch social skills and able bring in projects to generate revenue, it will be very difficult to breach 150. Most people will not even get beyond 130ish.

Of course getting to that next level involves taking a lot of risks and responsibilities as well. You basically own a business and have to commit unlimited time and effort to doing whatever it takes to run it.
she lives in Colorado now, so no idea what the market is there. In FL the pay is garbage and was making 40k out of school as a civil with a bachelors working towards a masters at a small firm. Civil doesn't pay as well either.
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Originally Posted By Distance⏩
Statistics crew, it's GOAT field if you are a native English speaker, there is a huge demand for people that know data analysis, can program it, and then, most importantly, actually explain it to people too.
You can get a M.A. in Biostatistics and find a 6-figure job without much of a problem. Pretty solid route to go for people who are good at math and interested in research.
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Originally Posted By r0bo⏩
close. you're mad I make six figures as a clinical pharmacist at a big academic hospital
the only other stem that would make more than me out of school is a physician, nuclear engineer, or CRNA. fuel the cope.

for someone advocating for STEM, you would prob know thatengineering is a 60-70k a year boring desk joband academia is sucking people off for grants.
Can confirm. My first job out of school was exactly this, and I hated it. It is very possible (and common) for engineers who don't enjoy this lifestyle to move into other roles (sales and project management being just a couple of examples).

Always thought about going the pharmacy route ever since I took an interest in rx meds in HS (not in a good way lol).

Would be interested to hear more about what a pharmacist does srs.
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Originally Posted By PeteJonesHTX⏩
Can confirm. My first job out of school was exactly this, and I hated it. It is very possible (and common) for engineers who don't enjoy this lifestyle to move into other roles (sales and project management being just a couple of examples).

Always thought about going the pharmacy route ever since I took an interest in rx meds in HS (not in a good way lol).

Would be interested to hear more about what a pharmacist does srs.
In a clinical role - I round with the medicine team for that floor and pimp my students if i have them. suggest medication changes/regimens etc. Pharm is incredibly helpful in ID/transplant/ICU for monitoring and adjusting medications. We do all the consults for aminoglycoside and vanc trough dosing. Gathering the med recs on patients and educating them on discharging medications. Esp helpful in chronic diseases like DM and asthma.
I attend codes/traumas and prep drugs for patients - working with residents I'll know what to give and get it ready and "suggest" they use things like ******** vs propofol based on vitals and status. I know peds dosing, concentrations, protocols etc. and can jump in a code if hands are short (ACLS). verify orders and knowing what is not available or a better drug to use. Doctors don't know midazolam, NS, morphine or other drugs are not available so I have to inform them and offer alternatives/equianalgesic dosing. IV to PO dosing. Stop them from trying to fry kidneys and offer a different set of eyes. Help nursing with how and how quickly to push drugs; which goes first an what can be given via gtube. lots of educating. things like that. it's a good 8 hour a day job that I don't have to take home with me.
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Don't do it, or make sure you have the math background to pursue a financial analyst or tech job. You don't need to be that good at computer science. You don't need to be a math major or anything like that. Just make sure you don't go through school without it.
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It's nauseating the amount of people who put prestige in doing some water-down, money-grabbing redundant degree. Go to college for something that requires proper specific teaching, otherwise you will save more and do better by just getting a certificate. Better yet, that time you spent completing a glorified highschool unit you could have beefed up your resume with work experience. But hey, they peddle constantly that you have to go to college, throw out more useless degrees with elaborate titles just so they keep getting that student money. Then someone finishes their low-tier degree thinks the world owes them everything and complains about how they are in debt.
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Originally Posted By r0bo⏩
she lives in Colorado now, so no idea what the market is there. In FL the pay is garbage and was making 40k out of school as a civil with a bachelors working towards a masters at a small firm. Civil doesn't pay as well either.
Honestly the biggest problem with engineering is the same as the problem with most career expectations in our generation. People were told they are all amazing geniuses and will make millions before they know it. It has always surprised me that people actually believed that garbage.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with making 100k or working at a desk on rather ordinary projects. That's a very respectable career in my book. The problem is that people are unable to humble themselves to accept that reality since it doesn't match their delusional fantasies of wealth and grandeur.
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