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post 1543136911 02-07-2018, 05:44 PM
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Originally Posted By rhadam⏩
Have you ever been tested for autism?
guess you missed the thread last week, about my autism
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Originally Posted By PlanoLifter⏩
Yes I'm questioning why we should fear god. You're the one who claims we should. And you're the one being so intellectually dishonest that you won't answer my question. I don't think you actually believe what you wrote.
those who still are partaking in the seven deadly sins should fear God, because yeah they are deadly, but if your interest in heaven on earth as it is in heaven (figuratively) then you'd repent and change your way of thinking.
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Originally Posted By sy2502⏩
We (a life form in the universe) exist, and we have a decent understanding of what life like ours requires. We already know there are many many other solar systems and other planets out there. Because there are so many, there's a non zero probability some of those planets may have the same conditions, therefore there's a non zero probability alien life may exist.

We have never observed any universe being created from scratch. We have no idea what it takes to create a universe from scratch. In fact we don't even know that the universe was created from scratch to begin with. Therefore we have not even a logical train of thought like we do with aliens that a god that created the universe exists.

Food for thought.
The fact I'm even in a universe raises the possibility of a creator. There are two possibilities either there is a creator or something comes out of being from nothing.
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Originally Posted By halfbreedbrah⏩
The fact I'm even in a universe raises the possibility of a creator. There are two possibilities either there is a creator or something comes out of being from nothing.
And if there is a creator it does not automatically follow that said creator wants our worship.
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Originally Posted By CaliSuperSport⏩
That's the most divisive thing about religion tbh, you have to accept their rule set and the concept of spirituality/omnipotence. Science, through discovery, establishes a rigid system of understanding and causality.

In the context of Christianity, God has always been. His existence is supposed to exceed the bounds we place on the world, such as time and causality, because he created them. And this is where most internet debates seem to break because it'stwo groups standing on fundamentally different foundations.

I've done the odd philosophical read on creation vs. cosmology and it goes way more in depth than I ever could, and is pretty stimulating actually.
In bold. I don't think science and religion are in conflict with one another.

You said you studied this quite a bit. What's your take on it? I'm interested in your opinion.

My opinion is that science is the study of the creation and the application of what was made by God. Science is about the natural world. God is supernatural.

Just as the law of lift superceeds the law of gravity, so does the supernatural superceed the natural. Just as the law of lift doesn't negate the law of gravity, studying God does not negate the study of science.


For others, its more about the questions - science and religion ask different questions.

A study:

"https://phys.org/news/2015-12-worldwide-survey-religion-science-scientists.html"

"The study's results challenge longstanding assumptions about the science-faith interface. While it is commonly assumed that most scientists are atheists, the global perspective resulting from the study shows that this is simply not the case."
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Originally Posted By CaliSuperSport⏩
If I was an omnipotent being I'd follow the same concept: mold the universe as you see fit. And that's the crux of the debate - is our reality the product of complete cosmic chance, or was it a willful creation?
Perhaps willful creation can lead to chance?
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Originally Posted By BlackJack619⏩
those who still are partaking in the seven deadly sins should fear God, because yeah they are deadly, but if your interest in heaven on earth as it is in heaven (figuratively) then you'd repent and change your way of thinking.
Unresponsive. As expected.


Unless this god of yours is a colossal bell-end then I see no reason to fear it.
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post 1543138481 02-07-2018, 06:03 PM
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Originally Posted By Austanian⏩
I can find smart atheists quotes too...

Even throwing God into the equation eventually something either "always existed" or came from nothing.

If God always existed I am taking a position as given with out wondering where it came from.
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I am taking a position that an infinitely complex being I can't observe evolved on its own.

IMO this is just pushing back the conversation a level and by doing so we have pushed it back to a place where we have no observable evidence. No thanks.
That makes sense - that it seems we are pushing the conversation back.

But, does it make sense that all this order - the biomechanics of your hand, the symmetry of flowers, the mathematical precision of the natural laws of physics - that all of that is mere happenstance?
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Originally Posted By halfbreedbrah⏩
If you think its all crap what do you have to fear? If you believe I doubt it's out of fear.
I don’t think it’s “all crap,” I just approach religion and the things it requires people to believe with skepticism. What do I have to fear in regards to what? I’m not worried about eternal damnation, that’s for sure.
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Originally Posted By feminineenergy⏩
In bold. I don't think science and religion are in conflict with one another.

You said you studied this quite a bit. What's your take on it? I'm interested in your opinion.

My opinion is that science is the study of the creation and the application of what was made by God. Science is about the natural world. God is supernatural.

Just as the law of lift superceeds the law of gravity, so does the supernatural superceed the natural. Just as the law of lift doesn't negate the law of gravity, studying God does not negate the study of science.


For others, its more about the questions - science and religion ask different questions.

A study:

"https://phys.org/news/2015-12-worldwide-survey-religion-science-scientists.html"

"The study's results challenge longstanding assumptions about the science-faith interface. While it is commonly assumed that most scientists are atheists, the global perspective resulting from the study shows that this is simply not the case."
In bold was actually my precise stance up until recently. The only reason I started to move even more towards center (I think the bolded is a defense for creationism) was because in debating this issue, separating God from science was unacceptable for atheists, as they abide by the fundamental rule that all beings must have a beginning or a birth. Well religion says that God has no beginning, he always was. Even the universe had a beginning - so when you reach that layer; the debate turns into a stalemate or self-proclaimed victory.

Now I kind of bench myself but sometimes point out immature assumptions or fallacies. I use a term I heard from a TV personality - I'd describe myself as "cheerfully agnostic".
Originally Posted By halfbreedbrah⏩
Perhaps willful creation can lead to chance?
I suppose humans would evaluate it as chance. I.E. - God makes man, man exhibits a chance at becoming sinful. But in the end God would still have total control and just chooses to act or not act.
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Originally Posted By djfuzzy⏩
I don’t think it’s “all crap,” I just approach religion and the things it requires people to believe with skepticism. What do I have to fear in regards to what? I’m not worried about eternal damnation, that’s for sure.
Nothing wrong with that. Deep down I think he expects it. Being human is hard. What other species questions their own existence.
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Originally Posted By CaliSuperSport⏩
I suppose humans would evaluate it as chance. I.E. - God makes man, man exhibits a chance at becoming sinful. But in the end God would still have total control and just chooses to act or not act.
I don't know what it is to be omnipotent. It just seems like a waste to ever correct the things you created. When your on that level wouldn't you want to see the challenge which is Humanity.
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Originally Posted By Rabbitjb⏩
Actually when an atheist raises children well they are a far better example in the world than a god fearing bible basher

They teach and care and raise their children right not from some fear of god, or from biblical teachings, not to a prescription laid down by preachers but because their inner morality makes them do so. Because how else would they act but the way they feel to be right.

God fearing folk should look to atheists not to Gods teachings. Only then will their motives be pure


..discuss...
Can’t tell if you’re trolling or if you have a mental disorder of feeling superior by putting down other people’s beliefs.
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Originally Posted By feminineenergy⏩
That makes sense - that it seems we are pushing the conversation back.

But, does it make sense that all this order - the biomechanics of your hand, the symmetry of flowers, the mathematical precision of the natural laws of physics - that all of that is mere happenstance?
If we don't address it here... It had to be addressed with God's evolution or you are just choosing not to question how that all powerful being came into existence.

There is a lot we as humans don't know. So ask questions and try to figure out a way to test it. Do research.

Just going "it looks Complex therefor god" but not any god. One of the 7 or so Gods that happen to be in flavor at the time of your existence.
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Originally Posted By Kansas123⏩
Can’t tell if you’re trolling or if you have a mental disorder of feeling superior by putting down other people’s beliefs.
You think doing good out of fear of retribution or to please an external being is more worthwhile than doing good because you believe intrinsically it is the right thing to do.

The fact you can’t even contemplate the concept is worrying in the extreme
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Originally Posted By Kansas123⏩
Can’t tell if you’re trolling or if you have a mental disorder of feeling superior by putting down other people’s beliefs.
Yah, Christians are the best at judging people and then saying they're not judging. Pretty comical stuff.
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Originally Posted By Rabbitjb⏩
You think doing good out of fear of retribution or to please an external being is more worthwhile than doing good because you believe intrinsically it is the right thing to do.

The fact you can’t even contemplate the concept is worrying in the extreme
I think you know that isn't how Christianity works. Heck most Christians don't even believe good works are necessary for salvation so whatever good they do is out of their own motivations. Yes, Christians also believe that purity of motive is preferable to doing something out of fear or because you are told too.

What we question about most atheists is their ability to be moral solely by their own made up morality. It is awful convenient to be able to make up your own rules and judge your actions by your own standard. Of course you are going to feel pretty great by the low bar you have set for yourself. Everyone need to look externally whether it is God or the collective wisdom of mankind by looking at history.
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Thank you Modgod for reopening the thread, yet again
Originally Posted By sawoobley⏩
I think you know that isn't how Christianity works. Heck most Christians don't even believe good works are necessary for salvation so whatever good they do is out of their own motivations. Yes, Christians also believe that purity of motive is preferable to doing something out of fear or because you are told too.

What we question about most atheists is their ability to be moral solely by their own made up morality. It is awful convenient to be able to make up your own rules and judge your actions by your own standard. Of course you are going to feel pretty great by the low bar you have set for yourself. Everyone need to look externally whether it is God or the collective wisdom of mankind by looking at history.
Most religious believe going to their church and being seen is enough
Some believe in evangelicalism ...I personally find that disrespectful

You act as though atheists grow up in a vacuum that there is no understanding of religious tenets nor morality ..that there are no philosophers or science or literary greats ..that there aren’t abundant sources to learn what it means to be human

It is not lacking to be guided by your own moral centre.
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Originally Posted By sawoobley⏩
I think you know that isn't how Christianity works. Heck most Christians don't even believe good works are necessary for salvation so whatever good they do is out of their own motivations. Yes, Christians also believe that purity of motive is preferable to doing something out of fear or because you are told too.

What we question about most atheists is their ability to be moral solely by their own made up morality. It is awful convenient to be able to make up your own rules and judge your actions by your own standard. Of course you are going to feel pretty great by the low bar you have set for yourself. Everyone need to look externally whether it is God or the collective wisdom of mankind by looking at history.
Christians are the same way.

The Old Testament has a whole bunch of laws that modern day Christians try to say something like "O those laws only applied to the ancient Hebrews" As if an all knowing eternal God would arbitrarily set different sets of rules for different sets of people.

I will grant you that religious based morals are harder to change, but it still happens. Some religions change more readily than others. Which I would argue isn't necessarily a bad thing. If they didn't I would hate Christianity as much as I hate Islam.
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Originally Posted By Rabbitjb⏩
Thank you Modgod for reopening the thread, yet again



Most religious believe going to their church and being seen is enough
Some believe in evangelicalism ...I personally find that disrespectful

You act as though atheists grow up in a vacuum that there is no understanding of religious tenets nor morality ..that there are no philosophers or science or literary greats ..that there aren’t abundant sources to learn what it means to be human

It is not lacking to be guided by your own moral centre.
No they dont, I think you deal with a lot of fake religious people. 50% of religious people are fake. They mainly go out of habit. While they are not true believers.
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Originally Posted By sawoobley⏩
I think you know that isn't how Christianity works. Heck most Christians don't even believe good works are necessary for salvation so whatever good they do is out of their own motivations. Yes, Christians also believe that purity of motive is preferable to doing something out of fear or because you are told too.

What we question about most atheists is their ability to be moral solely by their own made up morality. It is awful convenient to be able to make up your own rules and judge your actions by your own standard. Of course you are going to feel pretty great by the low bar you have set for yourself. Everyone need to look externally whether it is God or the collective wisdom of mankind by looking at history.
Your Christians-are-holier-than-thou attitude is unbecoming. Your bias is showing. The simple fact is that modern society dictates the morals by which its people should live. Said morals may be derived from Christian teachings but Christianity is no longer relevant in determining the morals of a modern society.

I think you have been brainwashed into thinking atheists can't possibly have as good a set of morals as Christians do. The atheists I know do not simply come up with their own set of morals, they base their morals on those of the society in which we live.
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Originally Posted By halfbreedbrah⏩
No they dont, I think you deal with a lot of fake religious people. 50% of religious people are fake. They mainly go out of habit. While they are not true believers.
Yes there are a lot of fake religious people

But I’ve also dealt with Christian parents who believed that beating their children with a stick was appropriate in the eyes of their Lord (eldest 13, reported by 6 year old)

And encountered people who believed in witchcraft and demonic possession
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Originally Posted By Rabbitjb⏩
Yes there are a lot of fake religious people

But I’ve also dealt with Christian parents who believed that beating their children with a stick was appropriate in the eyes of their Lord (eldest 13, reported by 6 year old)

And encountered people who believed in witchcraft and demonic possession
Not sure if that is because they are religious or culture in which they were raised. How bad was the beating? I was hit in face,back,hand and butt. What the difference between the people who believe in witchcraft and the atheists I know who believe in Aura and Chakra reading.
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Originally Posted By PlanoLifter⏩
I think you have been brainwashed into thinking atheists can't possibly have as good a set of morals as Christians do. The atheists I know do not simply come up with their own set of morals, they base their morals on those of the society in which we live.
This

sawoobley, do not forget that atheists are simply people like everyone else. I've been Christian and know very well the attitudes and stereotypes on non believers. You are to believe that we are all immoral, and would have no qualms with murdering, stealing, etc. because there is no eternal consequence. The thing is, we have feeling like everyone else. Most humans prefer not to be azzholes to others just because they can. We have a society, we have law, and we have our culture. Our society (and all others) are fine with killing if it is an enemy that opposed us, but killing within our own society is looked down upon. That isn't based on religion, it's universal tribalism.

We aren't unknowable anomalies that refuse to see the truth right in front of us. We are as normal and well adjusted as you are, and you would understand us if you just take the time to get to know us as your fellow man, and not come to us with a preconceived opinion on who we are.
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