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post 1543322691 02-09-2018, 02:42 PM
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Originally Posted By sawoobley⏩
Great so you get a lot of your morals from religion. You just avoid the God part and the parts that require things from you (ie commandments).
Human beings figured out that stealing and murdering were bad for the survival of society a few thousand years before Jesus. The oldest code of laws in recorded human history is dated 2100 BC, comes from Mesopotamia and says, oddly enough, no murder, no stealing, no kidnapping, no raping, etc etc. It makes no reference to religious sources.
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^^ a significantly American problem that is not as prevalent in other western countries
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one poster on your side agrees with me that it would be hard to express this love without experiencing it, but maybe you're right and he is wrong.
Isn’t it great how people can have different opinions and still have a valid point to make
post 1543323121 02-09-2018, 02:47 PM
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Originally Posted By Muzzlrpress⏩
The difference is decided by the victors
If that's how you feel. I'm guessing you see no difference between a murderer and execution?
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post 1543323181 02-09-2018, 02:48 PM
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Originally Posted By halfbreedbrah⏩
There is a difference between war and mass murder.
Conquest is conquest. Most of the time, actions committed in conquest are deplorable.

In the same book where God orders Joshua to take Canaan, he also professes to give an initial offer of peace. If rejected, war is allowed. Obviously this is highly susceptible to abuse. If I lead an army to your city gates and give you an unconscionable offer which you logically refuse; in the eyes of my god, I've exercised his lesson and move to wage war.

I've read various books/excerpts that claim such abuse is still regarded as sinful in the eyes of God. Though of course that doesn't help the target nation much.
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post 1543323321 02-09-2018, 02:49 PM
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Originally Posted By BlackJack619⏩
so you think you could explain the love you have for your children to someone who doesn't have children, and you think they could fully comprend your explanation?
If they were raised in isolation then no because attachment disorders are all but impossible to fix

But generally people have contextual references within which they can understand emotions
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Originally Posted By Rabbitjb⏩
People used to revere and worship Mother Earth

Personally it is enough to be in awe of nature, arts, science etc one doesn’t imho need to turn it into an externalised deity
God just is.Nature just is. We are in awe of it. We try to understand it. What's the difference?
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^^^ yes but I find it hard not to find it naive
Originally Posted By halfbreedbrah⏩
God just is.Nature just is. We are in awe of it. We try to understand it. What's the difference?
One was created and only exists in faith, one exists and is observable and subject to scientific testing

I’m a non theist what did you think my opinion would be ?

you may as well be talking of Cthulhu
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Originally Posted By BlackJack619⏩
im just hoping we can get our children off of anti anxiety drugs that big pharm loves pushing
I'm going to do my best to make sure my son is balanced, happy, and ready to tackle life. Not pumping himup with all those fancy drugs. Hell, i don't even like taking cold medicine cuz i like to fight that chit.
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Do you guys think you can tap into your subconscious mind what I call (I am who I am)
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Originally Posted By halfbreedbrah⏩
God just is.Nature just is. We are in awe of it. We try to understand it. What's the difference?
One is worshiped and has millions of people claiming that not worshiping it as outlined in a man made book means you don't go to heaven.
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Originally Posted By Muzzlrpress⏩
I'm going to do my best to make sure my son is balanced, happy, and ready to tackle life. Not pumping himup with all those fancy drugs. Hell, i don't even like taking cold medicine cuz i like to fight that chit.
thats good I know a majority like to take faith in modern science and medical treatment, but I feel the medical treatment can ruin what God or nature created
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Originally Posted By halfbreedbrah⏩
If that's how you feel. I'm guessing you see no difference between a murderer and execution?
One is justified, one isn't. Society determines which is which. They're both murder at the end of the day
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Originally Posted By Muzzlrpress⏩
One is worshiped and has millions of people claiming that not worshiping it as outlined in a man made book means you don't go to heaven.
some of us believe that heaven is suppose to be here on earth, the start of the Lord's Prayer is (thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven)
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post 1543324351 02-09-2018, 02:58 PM
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Originally Posted By BlackJack619⏩
some of us believe that heaven is suppose to be here on earth, the start of the Lord's Prayer is (thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven)
An interesting theory.
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Trust me, those parents who raise their children keeping them to believe that Jesus doesn't exist/ is not God.. It's better for you if you have never been born
post 1543325141 02-09-2018, 03:06 PM
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Originally Posted By Gurtans⏩
Trust me, those parents who raise their children keeping them to believe that Jesus doesn't exist/ is not God.. It's better for you if you have never been born
There is little to trust in what you’ve posted but much to be concerned about
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Originally Posted By Muzzlrpress⏩
One is worshiped and has millions of people claiming that not worshiping it as outlined in a man made book means you don't go to heaven.
Sounds like they are both religions just one is more strict.
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Originally Posted By Gurtans⏩
Trust me, those parents who raise their children keeping them to believe that Jesus doesn't exist/ is not God.. It's better for you if you have never been born
In my experience anyone who starts a post with "trust me" doesn't know what they're talking about. You are no exception.
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Originally Posted By Gurtans⏩
Trust me, those parents who raise their children keeping them to believe that Jesus doesn't exist/ is not God.. It's better for you if you have never been born
i bet you believe Jesus was a white dude with blue eyes
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post 1543326091 02-09-2018, 03:16 PM
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Originally Posted By halfbreedbrah⏩
Sounds like they are both religions just one is more strict.
Well, hippies really love nature, and I'm sure some people worship it. A lot of us just really like how delicious the animals tastes and crap all over it. Wouldn't say I worship or personify nature. I think of it as a thing, not an entity.
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In all honesty I might be the anti Christ I am trying to establish a one world Religon, because according to scripture that's a step that must be done.
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Originally Posted By CaliSuperSport⏩
eh? Nazi's committed many affronts to the church after coming to power. Many high ranking Hitler appointed officials detested religion, calling in irreconcilable with Nazism. However there was also the opposite , I'll give you.

Take the value system of Christianity and that of Nazism, how much congruence really do they have with each other? Very little. This is why I conclude that Hitler used religion as a populist tool, and in an era where religion had far more sway, otherwise you wouldn't find such differing actions and perceptions towards religion by Nazis. They even used pagan symbols in their propoganda and appointed pro-pagan officials. In layman's terms, Hitler was a world class bullshietter

Middle Ages Popes and Bishops on the other hand..
I agree, world class bullshietter that spoke catharsis. They did use religion to an extent to get "normal" citizens to agree with getting rid of the jews as saying they killed Christ. my point is more people have been murdered/killed in the name of God than anything else. And as muzzlrpress said all holy books say to kill certain people for whatever reason. Again people can follow or practice what they want no sweat off my back.
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Originally Posted By meenman83⏩
my point is more people have been murdered/killed in the name of God than anything else.
If you want to tally the number of those killed by religious regimes vs. atheist regimes, I think it's up for debate. Plenty of secular nations who committed wide sweeping genocide or waged war, such as Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, and a host of others. Not expressly in the name of Atheism, but by atheists. And honestly, even the Crusades weren't built on such one-dimensional direction, there's still monetary and territorial gain to be had, though religion was the primary rallying cry. Also using religion as a populist tool is not tantamount to a Jihad (see: Nazi Germany), which is a common conflation. If you mean pure zealotry vs atheist violence; you're probably right, I haven't checked data myself.

And that's the problem with that conversation, I've read many posts on secular and religious forums where they start splitting hairs about "Well those kills don't count..." and worse.

But it's not black/white. The action of debating whether atheism or theism has killed more people is naive IMO - there are far too many other factors that motivate genocide or conquest.
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Originally Posted By BlackJack619⏩
Do you guys think you can tap into your subconscious mind what I call (I am who I am)
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Originally Posted By halfbreedbrah⏩
Sounds like they are both religions just one is more strict.
I will never understand this argument.

When people say this, what they are saying is, "I do not know what the world religion means, so I am going to ambigously apply it to force someone to be a hypocrit"



Lol.
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Originally Posted By Gurtans⏩
Trust me, those parents who raise their children keeping them to believe that Jesus doesn't exist/ is not God.. It's better for you if you have never been born
I knew everything when I was 19 too. You'll grow out of it.
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Originally Posted By Lawlstud⏩
lolwat




I will never understand this argument.

When people say this, what they are saying is, "I do not know what the world religion means, so I am going to ambigously apply it to force someone to be a hypocrit"



Lol.
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Originally Posted By Lawlstud⏩
lolwat




I will never understand this argument.

When people say this, what they are saying is, "I do not know what the world religion means, so I am going to ambigously apply it to force someone to be a hypocrit"



Lol.
You said a lot of nothing. I don't believe in some dude in a chair. I expect more out of a omnipotent being but thats just my thoughts.
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Originally Posted By halfbreedbrah⏩
You said a lot of nothing. I don't believe in some dude in a chair. I expect more out of a omnipotent being but thats just my thoughts.
I think I misunderstood the argument everyone is having up there.

My take was you were saying christianity and athiesm were both religions.

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Originally Posted By halfbreedbrah⏩
Then nature itself is that amazing. Wouldn't that Make it your God?
Only if you're an atheist in and need of a higher power to work the steps in Alcoholic Anonymous.
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Originally Posted By z4v4⏩
Only if you're an atheist in and need of a higher power to work the steps in Alcoholic Anonymous.
Do you have to acknowledge your God/creator for them to be you God?
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