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post 1543866461 02-15-2018, 06:24 AM
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Originally Posted By dhawkeye1980⏩
Is it in illinois? Yes you can legally. What does that have to do witj i quoted? If you buy it in a shop you have to pass the same background you do in chicago?

Nothing is illegal about that. The typical libtard narrative is that someone can go to an more lax gun state and drive back to chicago w a gun. That is false
I thought he was just referring to people that can legally buy guns who can just go outside the city and get what they want. I always thought it was dumb how you can drive for 30 mins and go through 15 towns that have different gun laws around here. Why don't they just have a statewide law? Whats the point in saying AR15s are illegal in Chicago when you can just drive 30 mins and go buy one anyways?
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Originally Posted By dhawkeye1980⏩
they know they cant take away our freedoms


What "freedoms"? I refuse to accept that even you are so far down the rabbit hole that you can't see reason, no matter how much it punches in you in the face.

Its 2018 - if any of you still think people in the Western world may be oppressed by guns, and not economics, then please go check your and your families bank balance and finances and mortgages and loans and credit cards and how everyone prays no sickness ruins them financially, or how your kids will eventually have to decide of a college education and its attached debt is worth it.
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Originally Posted By FFailed⏩
Can you not buy a firearm in lake county or even at the shops in cook if you are a Chicago resident? I thought you can legally buy an AR15 basically anywhere in IL even though you aren't allowed to have one within city limits
Oh...are you claiming that people who legally buy rifles in Crook county are a crime problem?

...is that seriously what you are going to stand on??
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Originally Posted By pellekuling⏩
300 years ago. Do you not realize that is a long time ago ? Do you not realize thing have changed since then? Back then the brittish ruled over the americas, and they wanted to be free from the brittish crown and be independant. For what reason would the goverment of today take over the american people? Do you not realize that the american military is made up of normal people with familes and relatives too ? I dont get what is going to happen if you dont have assult rifles to "defend" your self against the goverment. Turn you guys into cattle and perform brain experiments ? To mee it seems like america has more problem with the left VS right, than something about the goverment
What government, remembering that governments have perpetrated mass murders literally in the millions, was comprised of people without families and relatives?
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Originally Posted By GotNext⏩
Strong argument, Mr. Controlled Labs Rep.

BRB - throwing Controlled Labs products out, clearly they make you dumb as fuk. You guys should add a warning label.
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Originally Posted By pellekuling⏩
How is reducing the amount of mass shootings something bad ? Is you shooting your rifle in the dessert so much worth that you can't limit yourself to weapons for hunting, like a hunting rifle etc. It's like you can't stop people from murdering eachother. But if you could reduce the amount of murders per year, it's somewhow bad ?
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Originally Posted By pellekuling⏩
How is reducing the amount of mass shootings something bad ? Is you shooting your rifle in the dessert so much worth that you can't limit yourself to weapons for hunting, like a hunting rifle etc. It's like you can't stop people from murdering eachother. But if you could reduce the amount of murders per year, it's somewhow bad ?
Yes, our fundamental Rights and Liberties including the Right to keep and bear arms is so important that we will not reduce it to "hunting"
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Originally Posted By GotNext⏩


What "freedoms"? I refuse to accept that even you are so far down the rabbit hole that you can't see reason, no matter how much it punches in you in the face.

Its 2018 - if any of you still think people in the Western world may be oppressed by guns, and not economics, then please go check your and your families bank balance and finances and mortgages and loans and credit cards and how everyone prays no sickness ruins them financially, or how your kids will eventually have to decide of a college education and its attached debt is worth it.
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Originally Posted By dhawkeye1980⏩
It's funny how we own more and more guns, and more and more people carry guns, while crime goes down and down...yet people pretend otherwise

Did I say funny? I meant stupid.
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Everything else aside, what I still don't get is why do schools not have metal detectors and security at the door? How did this not become a normal thing after Columbine?
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Originally Posted By Jax05⏩
Everything else aside, what I still don't get is why do schools not have metal detectors and security at the door? How did this not become a normal thing after Columbine?
Sadly I think the problem is cost. Having armed security/metal detectors in every school in America would cost a ton of money....money school's don't have or don't want to invest. We know everything in this country boils down to money unfortunately.
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just saw this on the news today....worse than columbine, fuking christ guys. I still remember when it happened in 8th grade, back in 99'. The shooter wont receive the punishment he deserves, that for sure. Life in prison or execution, both are far too simple.

Of course, times like this, the first discussion is gun control. Even before the bodies are taken out of the school we've got people complaining "you wont take my guns away" or "ban all auto/semi auto fire arms". Fukin' people have not no sympathy, they just jump on their personal agenda, immediately.
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Sadly I think the problem is cost. Having armed security/metal detectors in every school in America would cost a ton of money....money school's don't have or don't want to invest. We know everything in this country boils down to money unfortunately.
easily this.

My GF is a teacher and they cant even get the money for the most basic of items, its pathetic.
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I can not believe they allowed this kid to go into that school. Fukn bs, had him going to school with a clear plastic bag because they already were suspicious about the **** he might bring in. I'm going to become one of those parents where I'm going to go around screaming "something must be done" kinda funny but i'm serious. They need people that can be armed and ready to pull the trigger when needed, guarding schools.
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Originally Posted By JUGGERNAUT1333⏩
Sadly I think the problem is cost. Having armed security/metal detectors in every school in America would cost a ton of money....money school's don't have or don't want to invest. We know everything in this country boils down to money unfortunately.
That's crazy...I'm sure people would be willing to pay slightly higher taxes for something like this vs the other 20 b.s. things that get tacked on property/personal taxes. (btw not disagreeing)

I went to a city highschool for 2 years, they had metal detectors and security on every entrance...couldn't even sneak in a Girls Gone Wild DVD
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Every time a shooting and every time a gun debate...

Guns aren't going anywhere in our lifetime. There will be a civil war first. The most the liberals can hope for is to restrict future sales of "assault weapons" and tax the gun industry out of existence. There are enough guns already on the streets to last until the earth melts.

A gun confiscation program wont happen...There would be street to street fighting that would make Ramadi and Fallujah look like a walk in the park. Guns and ammo would FLOW into the country from external sources to create a proxy war (Americas Vietnam version 2.0)

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Originally Posted By Jax05⏩
Everything else aside, what I still don't get is why do schools not have metal detectors and security at the door? How did this not become a normal thing after Columbine?
its a huge cost, and schools are already strapped for funding
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Originally Posted By JUGGERNAUT1333⏩
Sadly I think the problem is cost. Having armed security/metal detectors in every school in America would cost a ton of money....money school's don't have or don't want to invest. We know everything in this country boils down to money unfortunately.
And that's where the federal government should allocate more funding for things like this, take a little bit of funding away from the military and put it aside for the kids, god knows we have a war within our country to wage out..
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How about we try something that is input in our DNA and our minds.


Let be ****ing nice to eachother. keep teaching our kids to be nice to others. See someone struggling ? ask them if you can help in some way. Im not saying anyone should be a super hero but take a step back and just think about that. we wont change the world or stop every shooting but we can drastically change the amount of times this happens. for example. you have a 19 year old son who is showing a lot of strange behavior and psychotic issues. he's not happy. he's a little off kilt. DONT BUY HIM ****ING GUNS BECAUSE IT MAKES HIM HAPPY !!! THEN JUST SEND HIM ON HIS WAY !!! ****ing stupid. so stupid. not to mention the most dangerous tool in this whole act, which is by far not a gun. it's the internet. i blame the internet more and more. too much hate, illegal and illicit content, and it's so readily available to find this information, along with others who share the same views and create/mold these menacing people. if you dont believe me, just look at the misc. Been here long enough to see our fair share of psychos because of the way people treat eachother on here.




just my opinion though. agree or not. thats fine. end of the day just be nice to one another. maybe that random person you affect will change their mind from killing your family or friends.
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Originally Posted By pellekuling⏩
How is reducing the amount of mass shootings something bad ? Is you shooting your rifle in the dessert so much worth that you can't limit yourself to weapons for hunting, like a hunting rifle etc. It's like you can't stop people from murdering eachother. But if you could reduce the amount of murders per year, it's somewhow bad ?
What I'm saying is eliminating semi-auto rifles would in NO WAY limit mass shootings. Shooting up unarmed untrained kids is just as easy with a handgun as it is with a rifle. Or are you saying that semi-auto pistols, such as a Glock 19 or 43, should be kept out of the hands of law abiding, trained civilians with no mental health history? If pistols are given for self-defense inside or outside the home, even to highly vetted people, mass shootings will happen. I just want you to be honest and admit you want no woman or disabled person or anybody else to ever have effective means of protecting themselves with firearms. Just admit total disarmament is all you will be satisfied with.
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When crazy people have easy access to guns this happens
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Originally Posted By Jax05⏩
Everything else aside, what I still don't get is why do schools not have metal detectors and security at the door? How did this not become a normal thing after Columbine?
Who would run the metal detectors?

Because people aren't willing to deal with metal detectors and the security screening required for thatbecause school shootings are so rareAND because you'd have to have armed guards there to enforce the screening. Simply having an armed guard or two, maybe a uniform SRO and then allow faculty/teachers/staff to legally carry, would be so much better than what we have now, without the expense and hassle and why-do-we-need-this feels of going through metal detectors like you're going into a courthouse
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Originally Posted By Zuggie⏩
And that's where the federal government should allocate more funding for things like this, take a little bit of funding away from the military and put it aside for the kids, god knows we have a war within our country to wage out..
problem with federal funding is it passes through 20 different departments(of which all take a cut) before going to where it needs to be. At which point they put astro-turf on their football field.
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Originally Posted By Farley1324⏩
Who would run the metal detectors?

Because people aren't willing to deal with metal detectors and the security screening required for thatbecause school shootings are so rareAND because you'd have to have armed guards there to enforce the screening. Simply having an armed guard or two, maybe a uniform SRO and then allow faculty/teachers/staff to legally carry, would be so much better than what we have now, without the expense and hassle and why-do-we-need-this feels of going through metal detectors like you're going into a courthouse
Not sure what you mean who would run them?

And yes, obviously armed guards to enforce the screenings. I'm not against faculty carrying, but with how things are that's not going to happen.

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How about we try something that is input in our DNA and our minds.


Let be ****ing nice to eachother. keep teaching our kids to be nice to others. See someone struggling ? ask them if you can help in some way. Im not saying anyone should be a super hero but take a step back and just think about that. we wont change the world or stop every shooting but we can drastically change the amount of times this happens. for example. you have a 19 year old son who is showing a lot of strange behavior and psychotic issues. he's not happy. he's a little off kilt. DONT BUY HIM ****ING GUNS BECAUSE IT MAKES HIM HAPPY !!! THEN JUST SEND HIM ON HIS WAY !!! ****ing stupid. so stupid. not to mention the most dangerous tool in this whole act, which is by far not a gun. it's the internet. i blame the internet more and more. too much hate, illegal and illicit content, and it's so readily available to find this information, along with others who share the same views and create/mold these menacing people. if you dont believe me, just look at the misc. Been here long enough to see our fair share of psychos because of the way people treat eachother on here.




just my opinion though. agree or not. thats fine. end of the day just be nice to one another. maybe that random person you affect will change their mind from killing your family or friends.
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Originally Posted By Farley1324⏩
What government, remembering that governments have perpetrated mass murders literally in the millions, was comprised of people without families and relatives?
Many decades ago in poor countries where people had no education and didint know any better. When did the american or western goverment genoicde its own people? You can say the jews. But they werent really considered germans. And if someone said, lets put all texans in a camp and starve them. You dont think the americanpeople would be like ”wtf, ofc we wont do that” especially now that everything ois ”literally hitler!!”
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Originally Posted By Zuggie⏩
And that's where the federal government should allocate more funding for things like this, take a little bit of funding away from the military and put it aside for the kids, god knows we have a war within our country to wage out..
100% agreement.
Originally Posted By Thai_Clinch⏩
How about we try something that is input in our DNA and our minds.


Let be ****ing nice to eachother. keep teaching our kids to be nice to others. See someone struggling ? ask them if you can help in some way. Im not saying anyone should be a super hero but take a step back and just think about that. we wont change the world or stop every shooting but we can drastically change the amount of times this happens.
For real. We hear about these tragedies on the news, but the one thing you don't hear of obviously is ones that were possibly prevented due to the kindness of fellow classmates to someone who was outcast/bullied/treat like chit. The profile for these shooters is almost always the same....... loner, bullied, isolated, high school aged. The crazy thing is that when it happens, people aren't surprised that person did it. People joke about outcasts at school calling them " the next shooter"...........instead of mocking him or bullying him, why not try to include him. High school is absolutely brutal for someone who has no friends and feels like chit everyday.
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Originally Posted By Farley1324⏩
allow faculty/teachers/staff to legally carry, would be so much better than what we have now, without the expense and hassle and why-do-we-need-this feels of going through metal detectors like you're going into a courthouse
Originally Posted By Jax05⏩
not against faculty carrying, but with how things are that's not going to happen.
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I have to say I am against faculty carrying weapons. During a situation like this, the only difference maker is going to be someone who has a lengthy history of firearm/stressful situation experience. Giving a 30 year old math teacher a 8 week firearm course and trusting them to defend during a violent situation isn't comforting. Situations like that rely on instincts and training. If someone is going to be armed in the school it needs to be someone who knows what they are doing.
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Originally Posted By Farley1324⏩
Oh...are you claiming that people who legally buy rifles in Crook county are a crime problem?

...is that seriously what you are going to stand on??
It sounded like to me he was referring to people legally purchasing a gun that end up on the streets later on. Its not like its hard to buy a gun if you live in Chicago as long as you aren't a criminal. Everyone always says how strict the gun laws are in Chicago or even in IL including myself but mainly because I'm just salty my buddy in NC gets to own SBR's and Silencers. When you think about it though are they really that strict?
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Originally Posted By JUGGERNAUT1333⏩
I have to say I am against faculty carrying weapons. During a situation like this, the only difference maker is going to be someone who has a lengthy history of firearm/stressful situation experience. Giving a 30 year old math teacher a 8 week firearm course and trusting them to defend during a violent situation isn't comforting. Situations like that rely on instincts and training. If someone is going to be armed in the school it needs to be someone who knows what they are doing.
What about volunteer vets to guard the schools?
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Originally Posted By dhawkeye1980⏩
Option A: you don't fully grasp what you were posting or just repeated what you saw in your virtual echo chamber

Option B: you fully well know how dishonest that graph is, and still posted it just to win an argument, hoping no one notices

I really hope its Option A, because ignorance can be forgiven if its not malicious.

Here is a properly referenced piece of statistic:



Ok, so the amount of guns has indeed gone up.

However, this does not mean more people have more guns:



In fact, less and less households and individuals own guns, whic his a better correlation to the decrease in the gun homicide rate:



So what did we learn?
1. There are more guns in America
2. Very few people hold a lot of those guns
3. Gun ownership (both per household and per individual) is decreasing
4. ... as you mentioned ... so is gun homicide. Oh, what a coincidence.Less gun owners, less gun homicides.Funny how that works, eh?
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