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post 1543921941 02-15-2018, 03:45 PM
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Originally Posted By JaymzJ⏩
Meanwhile OP be like


Not exactly, but maybe would have. Actually was just offline...gasp!

Mainly inattentive type here. My brother was hyper so he got diagnosed in elementary school. My diagnosis wasn't until college age and it was a lengthy testing process, not a visit w/a GP. My mom has it too.

Tried one medication when I was first diagnosed and hated how it made me feel...flat and not myself.

Generally tried to ignore it and cope as best I could until recently. Turns out that hormonal changes have an effect and it is common to have worse symptoms at mid-life for women.

So meds here and it helps. PITA though because it is so controlled.

I hate being dependent on a pill. And I wouldn't take medicating my daughter lightly. The big pluses of medication for young people (particularly a slow release stimulant) are up to a 50% reduction in substance abuse (common problem with ADHD) and, maybe more of a bid deal, preservation of brain tissue, as in taking the medication consistently seems to protect the health of the brain. Biggest down side is slow growth, so best case might be to try and wait until physical growth is mostly complete first.

On PTSD anyone that is dealing with that you may want to check out yoga for the vagus nerve or EMDR therapy if you can find it.

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2017-...-symptoms.html

https://www.sciencealert.com/doing-y...health-effects

https://www.emdrhap.org/content/what-is-emdr/
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Honey, you listen to me right now. Every parent has issues with their chirren. You got some boisterous chirren, you got some quiet chirren, you got your smart chirren, and your dumb chirren. When a parent has a Timothy with adhd or any other libtard acronym, that parent has the responsibility to drive home a message to that little chillen. You got to adapt to your chirren. Now you raise them chirrens right. mmmkay?
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Originally Posted By InstantLoser⏩
Great glad we cleared that up. I still don't automatically believe people, and in her original thread that's what she advocated for, which is a consistent feminist talking point... How we just need to "listen and believe" when women speak. That's the antithesis of proper skepticism and the presumption of innocence.

She's altering her tune now but again, in her original thread she was pushing hard for that listen and believe crap.
Got it. I only read the last few posts and she seemed fairly reasonable
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Originally Posted By TaeBoNinja⏩
So much of this is pseudo science. What a "chemical imbalance" is...its correlation to behavior, and the effect of drugs on them is all very iffy at best.

Some will say those that are depressed "need" these SSRIs, but every psychologist I've known says the opposite. In fact, here what Psychology Today has to say about it.


https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog...out-depression

This isn't a blanket statement on all cases, there is a place for SSRis. Just not for the majority of the public. People put way too much faith into Big Pharma
What most people also don't know is the studies the companies that sell drugs use to prove efficacy are EXTREMELY cherry picked, and that's just to show they are about 15% more effective than a placebo. Under the freedom of information act, we can get records from the FDA to show all of the studies done, not just the ones published, and most show there is no difference at all between placebo and SSRI. But that's not how the drug companies get rich.


https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4172306/

"In an effort to response to these critics, we decided to replicate our study with a different set of clinical trials (Kirsch, Moore, Scoboria, & Nicholls, 2002). To do this, we used the Freedom of Information Act to request that the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) send us the data that pharmaceutical companies had sent to it in the process of obtaining approval for six new generation antidepressants that accounted for the bulk of antidepressant prescriptions being written at the time. There are a number of advantages to the FDA data set. Most important, the FDA requires that the pharmaceutical companies provide information on all of the clinical trials that they have sponsored. Thus, we had data on unpublished trials as well as published trials. This turned out to be very important. Almost half of the clinical trials sponsored by the drug companies have not been published (Melander, Ahlqvist-Rastad, Meijer, & Beermann, 2003; Turner, Matthews, Linardatos, Tell, & Rosenthal, 2008). The results of the unpublished trials were known only to the drug companies and the FDA, and most of them failed to find a significant benefit of drug over placebo "
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ITT both maylie and instantloser are both in need of meds...holy s you are always going off on psychotic tangents.
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This is the misc, a majority of the people here seem to believe that mental disorders are only a state of mind.
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Originally Posted By Miscipline⏩
This is the misc, a majority of the people here seem to believe that mental disorders are only a state of mind.
that's not true of course, but doctors definitely over-prescribe meds to a huge degree
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I agree with you that ADHD is a real disorder. People who truly have it experience a lot of disruption to their daily life, and it's hard to cope with (even with medication) and can have real impact to your career and personal life.

I wish that mental health professionals would stop handing out this diagnosis like candy though. It takes away from the real struggles that people who truly have it have to go through every day. With oversaturation, the common population trivializes the hardships that ADHD brings to someone's life. For example, I was diagnosed with it as a child. For years, I was medicated. I just stopped when one day I realized I was just doing it out of habit. I'm hyper and over energized most of the time, but that's more ... a personality flaw than a disorder on my part. I've been functional at my work for years without any extra help. On the other hand, my cousin, who really has ADHD, struggles even with medication. But everyone in my family likes to use me as an example that it's a joke... and never him as an example that it's real issue.
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Originally Posted By TaeBoNinja⏩
So much of this is pseudo science. What a "chemical imbalance" is...its correlation to behavior, and the effect of drugs on them is all very iffy at best.

Some will say those that are depressed "need" these SSRIs, but every psychologist I've known says the opposite. In fact, here what Psychology Today has to say about it.


https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog...out-depression

This isn't a blanket statement on all cases, there is a place for SSRis. Just not for the majority of the public. People put way too much faith into Big Pharma

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Originally Posted By TrinnieBuu⏩
I agree with you that ADHD is a real disorder. People who truly have it experience a lot of disruption to their daily life, and it's hard to cope with (even with medication) and can have real impact to your career and personal life.

I wish that mental health professionals would stop handing out this diagnosis like candy though. It takes away from the real struggles that people who truly have it have to go through every day. With oversaturation, the common population trivializes the hardships that ADHD brings to someone's life. For example, I was diagnosed with it as a child. For years, I was medicated. I just stopped when one day I realized I was just doing it out of habit. I'm hyper and over energized most of the time, but that's more ... a personality flaw than a disorder on my part. I've been functional at my work for years without any extra help. On the other hand, my cousin, who really has ADHD, struggles even with medication. But everyone in my family likes to use me as an example that it's a joke... and never him as an example that it's real issue.
I think that is a lot of the cases where you hear that they "grew out of it". Either it was a misdiagnosis, or the person has developed coping skills to their personal satisfaction.

There have been a few studies that found exercise before school (around 30 minutes) improved focus and performance for younger children. It helps kids with ADHD and regular kids too and wouldn't cost much of anything...just scheduling.

It can even be just walking so no reason that every school couldn't do it...put some music on the PA system and have the kids marching up and down the hallways.

https://www.citylab.com/transportati...dy-shows/4585/

https://inside.uncc.edu/news-feature...throughout-day

I suspect that feeding all the kids a good breakfast with protein and complex carbs, then having them move around for awhile before settling in to class would improve grades and performance across the board.
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post 1543941461 02-15-2018, 07:18 PM
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You'll know a kid with actual ADHD when you see him. It is overdiagnosed.
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Originally Posted By katya422⏩
Not sure why that stereotype won't die already.

Yes, there may be kids out there that are misdiagnosed.

But it is a real neurobiological difference that is genetic.



https://www.sciencedaily.com/release...0216105919.htm

ADHD often coincides with autism though it isn't clear why yet.



https://www.scientificamerican.com/a...tism-and-adhd/

Lots more here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attent...ivity_disorder
Those studies are bullsh!t.

It's largely a fake diagnosis heavily promoted by drug companies to sell speed to children.

After that got played out, they changed the diagnosis for Autism so that millions of people could be diagnosed with it, that raised huge money for the foundation for autism.
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Originally Posted By katya422⏩
I think that is a lot of the cases where you hear that they "grew out of it". Either it was a misdiagnosis, or the person has developed coping skills to their personal satisfaction.
I have been a therapist for decades.

I worked with a lot of people who were diagnosed with it. In the early 2000s, Dragon Ball Z was on. I noticed many kids liked it, s I started watching too. I would ask kids doing terribly in school, couldn't sit still, etc if they liked Dragon Ball. They would usually say "yes" and know all about it.

That's because they were interested in it. They were not interested in school, or anything else.

They did not have ADHD.

The problem was they were thrown into a world they didn't choose and didn't care about. They had no idea why they were in school or what the topics in school meant, so they disliked it, didn't care, and were disruptive. Meanwhile, the retarded adults around them just thought "kids should behave in school" not realizing that many kids don't know why.

People with ADHD either: Are smart but aren't interested in what others tell them to do or are stupid and don't get it and have stupid parents who don't either.

I have had a few cases of real ADHD.

Those people literally aren't interested in anything to a degree where it's bizarre. They're like retarded people who don't appear to be and can speak and seemingly act normal, but cannot maintain interest in ANYTHING.
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Berry over diagnosed, no question about that. But also no question it is a real thing.

I recently got on meds for it finally at a pretty late age. Was able to get by well enough on my own, but my life long problem of not being able to focus on a conversation was now causing me problems at work. More or less I can't talk/listen to someone for prolonged periods of time without the conversation / outside thoughts triggering a "day dream" or conversation inside my own head, and I would often miss 20-30 seconds (or more) of a conversation unintentionally. I suppose if I went through life screaming at myself "YOU WILL LISTEN" every second in my own head during a conversation I might have made it, but that didn't seem very appealing.

For all I know I don't have it, rather use it as a crutch for the time being however. Lul @ some degen judging me however, you better not drink coffee, smoke, get boozed up if you are going to get on your high horse about ADD meds. BRB can't make my own fun so I drink booze, brb can't stay awake so I drink coffee, brb I like the way it makes me feel so I smoke.
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Originally Posted By TheAdlerian⏩
I have had a few cases of real ADHD.

Those people literally aren't interested in anything to a degree where it's bizarre. They're like retarded people who don't appear to be and can speak and seemingly act normal, but cannot maintain interest in ANYTHING.
I think you mean cannot maintain focus on anything. If you've actually been working as a trained therapist I expect you know there is more to it than that.

I do think that some of us are wired differently (neurodiverse). Not so sure we really have a handle on the mechanisms at play. E.g. I don't think that lumping Asperger's, autism, and Atypical Autism/ODD-NOS all under one category makes sense. You could throw ADD in the pile too and call it all one thing, but that doesn't mean it would be true.
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Most people with "Adhd" have a messed up or never developed any kind of reward mechanism.

Brb jimmy cant sit still to do his math hw for 5 min but can sit in front of video games for hours uninterrupted.

Worst thing you can give kids are video games constantly flashing "+10 +5 +10 +20" / brainless puzzle games found on tablets. Nothing can compare to that level of instant gratification if you develop over years on that kind of stimulation.
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A kid can have ADHD and not be a brat.
A kid can have ADHD and be a brat.
A kid may not have ADHD and also not be a brat.
A kid may not have ADHD and also be a brat.

Don't blame ADHD for your kid's bratty behavior.

I dated this girl who's kid had bad ADHD but was not a brat. Yeah, he had to be doing something all of the time but he wasn't annoying about it. Poor kid, he couldn't go out to eat, or even have the TV on when he was eating because no matter how hungry he wouldn't be able to eat because the constant distraction he would choke on his food. Another flip side story, kid was not hyper at all, could focus on anything he wanted, kid was a total PITA caused trouble every chance he got.
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Originally Posted By orangetide⏩
Most people with "Adhd" have a messed up or never developed any kind of reward mechanism.

Brb jimmy cant sit still to do his math hw for 5 min but can sit in front of video games for hours uninterrupted.

Worst thing you can give kids are video games constantly flashing "+10 +5 +10 +20" / brainless puzzle games found on tablets. Nothing can compare to that level of instant gratification if you develop over years on that kind of stimulation.
So how do you explain people that have it that were children before video games and tablets were everywhere?

'Cause I'm old and my mom is older.
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I was diagnosed with ADD in high school. Legit consciousness in class became an issue. Not narcoleptic behavior, but I'd sleep in almost every class that required nothing more than sitting quietly and copying notes down from the teacher. If I wasn't sleeping, I was dozing off and on the entirely of the period, retaining little to none of the material. My grades were suffering and I had zero interest in doing HW outside of school. Psychologist prescribed me medication and I believe and it definitely had a noticeable effect. I was able to stay awake and attentive in class and wasn't as easily distracted. My friends would tell me that I seemed a bit dull while taking it... like I wouldn't really joke around or laugh at their jokes like I usually would.
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Originally Posted By katya422⏩
I think you mean cannot maintain focus on anything. If you've actually been working as a trained therapist I expect you know there is more to it than that.
What does that mean?

Also, I doubt you're even remotely trained in any of this let alone have experience treating people. So, your insult indicates you're probably kind of arrogant and a jerk.

If so, that could be a major root of your problem. Listening to people who know more than you, behaving, etc takes humility.
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Originally Posted By TMaC828⏩
I was diagnosed with ADD in high school. Legit consciousness in class became an issue. Not narcoleptic behavior, but I'd sleep in almost every class that required nothing more than sitting quietly and copying notes down from the teacher. If I wasn't sleeping, I was dozing off and on the entirely of the period, retaining little to none of the material. My grades were suffering and I had zero interest in doing HW outside of school. Psychologist prescribed me **** I believe and it definitely had a noticeable effect. I was able to stay awake and attentive in class and wasn't as easily distracted. My friends would tell me that I seemed a bit dull while taking it... like I wouldn't really joke around or laugh at their jokes like I usually would.
Might want to edit the name of the medication out just in case (forum rules). That is the one I was first prescribed and I felt like a sleepwalker; like I had no liveliness or spontaneity. On the other one now and it is better for me. Just something to consider.
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Originally Posted By katya422⏩
So how do you explain people that have it that were children before video games and tablets were everywhere?

'Cause I'm old and my mom is older.
Video games merely exacerbate the problem.

Many people just dont properly develop a rigorous reward mechanism through childhood and early adulthood due to lack of enviornmental pressure. Somehow, either thruogh videogames or other external stimuli, they are able to neglect this because something is giving them quick, accessible gratification.
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Originally Posted By TheAdlerian⏩
What does that mean?

Also, I doubt you're even remotely trained in any of this let alone have experience treating people. So, your insult indicates you're probably kind of arrogant and a jerk.

If so, that could be a major root of your problem. Listening to people who know more than you, behaving, etc takes humility.
Project much?

Hmm...we could do a poll of miscers...people that have been here for awhile.
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Originally Posted By katya422⏩
So how do you explain people that have it that were children before video games and tablets were everywhere?

'Cause I'm old and my mom is older.
The diagnosis was invented in the 90s and there were plenty of distractions back then, and certainly bad parenting.

ADHD in my opinion came about through the rise of single others and in family with two working parents. It's a kid who has no idea how to behave, due to chaos in the household, then is thrust into a highly structured situation.
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Originally Posted By katya422⏩
Project much?

Hmm...we could do a poll of miscers...people that have been here for awhile.
There's no projection since I know what I'm talking about and you don't. You can't possibly.

You're just an arrogant person defending something that protects your personal propaganda.

How do I know that?

You will not entertain alternate ideas.
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Originally Posted By katya422⏩
But it is a real neurobiological difference that is genetic.
Interesting.

So why is it that more American kids have it than any other country? Are American brains different? Given that you have a mass shooting almost every day, I can believe that. But is that what you want to say?
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Originally Posted By TheAdlerian⏩
There's no projection since I know what I'm talking about and you don't. You can't possibly.

You're just an arrogant person defending something that protects your personal propaganda.

How do I know that?

You will not entertain alternate ideas.
You SO don't know me. I don't have any personal propaganda. I'm actually very open and overly agreeable.

Yes, the labels and definitions in psychology change quite often. And?

My mom is diagnosed and she was born in the 50s and raised in a two parent household with a stay at home mom.

Do you actually believe that people that fit the diagnosis didn't exist before the diagnosis was defined?

Does that mean that schizophrenia wasn't real until it was labeled and defined? Depression? Autism? Etc.?

No people existed on this planet with that grouping of traits until a group of professionals got together and decided to name it?
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Originally Posted By KyleAaron⏩
Interesting.

So why is it that more American kids have it than any other country? Are American brains different? Given that you have a mass shooting almost every day, I can believe that. But is that what you want to say?
The diagnosis criteria for the US aren't the same as the ones used elsewhere. But the behaviors are the same, just other countries don't diagnose it as often.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1525089/
This lack of a true difference in behavior between American and British children was further confirmed in a Scottish study of children referred to a Scottish Child Guidance Service and a group of control children (matched for age, sex, socio-economic status, and ability) (7). All children were scored for hyperactivity using the Conners' 1969 Teacher Rating Scale, as used in the USA. 4.5% of the controls were scored as hyperactive. This figure is similar to the prevalence of hyperactivity in the USA of 3-5% from studies using a similar definition (e.g. 8,9). Of the referred children, 42.7% were scored as hyperactive; this is comparable to the percentage (30-40%) of chil- dren referred to child guidance clinics in the USA who are diagnosed as hyperactive (10). These data thus also suggest that apparent differences in the prevalence of ADHD reflect differences in diagnostic practice rather than true differences in behavior.
Haven't argued that it is over diagnosed and like most things probably on a spectrum.
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