Guns aside, what do we do with tens of millions of mentally sick people?

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reject your creator and win stupid prizes

I mean, religious mythology is laughable nonsense, but I do wonder if humanity was totally ready to leave it behind.

Which they are neighter until after the fact. I vote parent be held responsible. Its high time we stop letting them get away scot-free.Stupidest solution ever. People were beating the crap out of each other and bashing in heads long before guns were invented. When will they learn you can't legislate morality.

I know...which is why I stated that it WILL NOT solve the issue.

chit parenting

Just identified the next school shooter. Report this guy to the FBI guys. We got a loony here

I believe it has nothing to do with "medication" or drugs and if it does i'd be really interested in the science that explains how drugs induce this sort of behavior. I think the underlying factor, with respect to the psychological makeup of those who commit mass murders/ school shootings, is tied to personality disorders such as psychopathy and sociopathy. These personality disorders are found in MOST, if not all serial killers, and are the reason they even have the capacity do commit such acts in the first place.

But those who have these disorders have different levels of cognitive inhibition, which affects how they decide to respond to their urges. Some psychopaths understand that their actions have consequences and while they do act on their urges, they do it in a manner that minimizes their chances of getting caught. But for those with poor cognitive inhibition, their murderous impulses are paramount and thus overwhelm any regard for consequences which is what is supposed to inhibit them from killing in such a brazen manner.

Seems like overpopulation to me.

This is perhaps the first time in history that there's been this many people on earth, the more there is of something the less value it holds.

People have become disposable and can be replaced at the drop of a hat by their employers/friends/lovers, which obviously would lead to the symptoms talked about in this thread

And then maybe chit like this has always been happening, you just didnt hear about because there was no global news, if a guy went nuts and stabbed 10 people to death in new york 100 years ago people states away would never have heard about it.

My quote was an addendum, not a counterpoint.They're all working on their careers.

To me it feels like a mix of social autism, the american culture that seems like its "harsher" than most places in Europe, sure, I'm from sweden and europe is not one country. But it's the feeling im getting from most of Europe. Becuase bullying happens here to, but i feel like somehow in america, bullying is taken to more extreme. Take that into that these are people with no strong rolemodels, then you also have young males who feel lost becuase they have nothing to do in todays society. 500 years go you cold just go on some ship and sail somehwere and check out of society. Now they sit at home and only have their angry thoughts, which usually seem to end up having bad concecuenses

Yep, gotta get those burgers right.

Culture which offers infamy for mass violence coupled with drug use - both illegal and legally prescribed.

Recent prominent killers who used cannabis:

The mass killer on the beach in Sousse, Tunisia, Seifeddine Rezgui

Jared Loughner, culprit of the 2008 Tucson massacre

Deyan Deyanov, killer (by beheading) of Jennifer Mills-Westley in Tenerife

Nicholas Salavador, killer, by decapitation, of Mrs Palmira Silva in London

Michael Adebolajo and Michael Adebowale killers of Lee Rigby

Cherif and Said Kouachi, and Ahmedy Coulibaly, culprits of the Charlie Hebdo Killings

Ibrahim and Saleh Abdeslam, and Omar Ismail Mostefai, culprits of the Bataclan killings in Paris

Martin Rouleau, killer of of an unnamed Canadian soldier

Michael Zehaf Bibeau, killer of another Canadian soldier

Nathan Cirillo in Ottawa, also in October 2014

Jonathan Bowling and Ashley Foster, killers of the Sheffield church organist Alan Greaves, beaten to death for no reason

Ayoub el-Khazzani who attempted a terrorist outrage on the Thalys train between Amsterdam and Paris.

Timothy McVeigh, the 1995 Oklahoma bomber, used cannabis and methamphetamine

Anders Breivik took the steroid Stanozolol and the quasi-amphetamine ephedrine

Omar Mateen, culprit of the more recent Orlando massacre, also took steroids as did Raoul Moat, who a few years ago terrorised the North East of England. So did the remorseless David Bieber, who killed a policeman and nearly murdered two others on a rampage in Leeds in 2003.

Eric Harris, one of the culprits of the Columbine school shooting, took the SSRI antidepressant Luvox. His accomplice Dylan Klebold's medical records remain sealed, as do those of several other school killers. But we know for sure that Patrick Purdy, culprit of the 1989 Cleveland school shooting, and Jeff Weise, culprit of the 2005 Red Lake Senior High School shootings, had been taking 'antidepressants'.

Michael McDermott, culprit of the 2000 Wakefield massacre in Massachusetts.

Kip Kinkel, responsible for a 1998 murder spree in Oregon.

John Hinckley, who tried to murder US President Ronald Reagan in 1981 and is now being prepared for release.

Andreas Lubitz, the Germanwings pilot who murdered all his passengers last year.

The San Bernardino killers had been taking the benzodiazepine ***** and the amphetamine ********.

So was the Leytonstone Tube station knife attacker.

So is Satoshi Uematsu, filmed grinning at Japanese TV cameras after being accused of a horrible knife rampage in a home for the disabled in Sagamihara.



^ Taken from Peter Hitchens' blog. Since he wrote that list several other terrorist attacks/mass killings have taken place and again in every case the killers were reported as being users of cannabis or on anti-depressants.


if all crime were reported on in as much detail as mass killing/terrorist attacks you'd probably see a glaring correlation between cannabis use and violence. Undermining the supposedly harmless nature of the drug. Likewise steroids will probably be linked to a great deal of violent crime and of course anti-depressants. I saw a list once of American mass killers and almost every single one was said to be on SSRI's.

As has been said before. The US has always had guns. But it hasn't always had mind altering drugs in such mass use.

Social media
Bullying
Chitty parents who don't pay attention to their kids and teach them the right things

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Not enough armed guards in schools

Preferably with shotguns cos they have a good spread.

Because society has pressured parents into raising their kids the wrong way and they end up like that. Can't spank them, can't ever tell them they failed, can't ever say no to them. I think 100 % of school shootings are the parents fault. Not gun laws, or school security, or school policy/ staff.

not the shooter's fault

In order:
Breakdown of society which includes; divorce, loss of religious values and not replaced by personal values, loss of church/community

Drugs, prescription/antidepressants mostly and recreational to a lesser extent

Famewhore and self-obsessed culture (just look at parents whoring for likes on social media its pissening)

Committing loonies to mental asylums now taboo

Social media...

Srs. Back then you couldn’t quantify how much of an outcast you are, you kinda just assumed there were popular people but it didn’t mean anything to quality of life. Now those people are getting paid to post. Now you have people screening you after meeting. Back then even if you knew you were an outcast you didn’t have to see anything, past high school you lived your own life careless about others opinions.

We’ve seen this with Elliot rogger. I know some 4chan brah did it too where he broadcasted his intention. This recent shooter posted a ton of firearms and it didn’t seem to catch anyone’s attention, pair that with his mental instability... tick tock. So it’s ultimately for attention. It’s NOT that people forget how to socialize because they’re on their phone and not in person, we know that there is a person on the other side... it’s just they realize they can’t despite their best efforts

Break down a school shooting to its most basic form. It's a guy going somewhere and murdering people. So:

A) Why do more kids think murder is okay?
B) Why do more kids seem to want such drastic revenge?

Guns are an issue, but you have to find out where young kids are getting the message that murdering people because they're angry/sad or whatever is the thing to do. A school shooting seems more severe because the death toll is minimised to one area, yet 96 Americans die from guns each day.

SSRI anti depressants and gun free zones

I think it's a whirlwind combination of mental health problems, the level of celebrity involved and access to firearms. It's a recipie for tragedies

I would imagine that what makes school shooting such a difficult subject is that there are a multitude of factors and independent variables that have an interplay with one another that when combined in the right environment contribute to pushing a potential shooter over the edge. One simply cannot countervail this through a brute force, wide sweeping ban on guns for its own host of reasons.

Perhaps the most practical is that despite misconception, guns are a much harder deadly weapon toacquire, especially by an underage person. Compare the ease of access to guns with common house knives, blunt instruments, and automobiles, all the way up the ladder to improvised explosives and who knows what else.

As for potential causes, where to begin? We can be talking about an already unhealthy foundation of a bad upbringing or violent household, which can either cause or exacerbate preexisting mental health issues, or breed a mindset in a child that doesn't value life or create a poor example of how to respond to external life stressors.
Contemporary culture likely also plays an important part in this rise in violence as well for a reason that I suspect would surprise most people at first glance, but makes sense when we observe the shift in culture as a whole, particularly with the increased attachment to social media.

Whether it is in education or parenting, there has been a movement towards validation, positive reinforcement, and unquestioned support and praise, with far less emphasis on discouraging a child. This can again create branching problems, be it a child who grows to feel neglected amidst the wash of praise their peers receive, one who is bullied but inefficient action is ever taken against their aggressors, or a desire to bemore"validated" or gain fame (or infamy) above their peers.

While the latter plays into the theory that constant media presence and attention of shootings or other violent crimes can create copycats who also seek the same notoriety, social media multiplies any potential allure even more. The interconnected nature of social media also allows for exposure to radical ideas that can be targeted towards vulnerable individuals, and despite the outlets for positive support groups, an angry or unstable individual could just as easily tumble down the path of negative "support" groups who encourage them to act out in violence.

Additionally, social media allows for a new medium of bullying that can ostracize individuals in a matter of seconds, across every social circle in a person's life and beyond. As technology has expanded, kids of lower and lower ages are introduced andraisedto what is essentially a global presence pertaining to their entire identity. To a person already in a bad position in their life, something posted on ******** or Twitter could be akin to a total collapse of theirentire lifein their mind.

On the subject of technology, we are also in a strange time when, again, increasingly younger children are being granted social media platforms via smartphones, which poses a strange time for parenting in general. When most of us were kids, it was action figures or pokemon cards that were the items of envy - pretty trivial stuff that weren't extraordinarily unobtainable or large parental investments, and as such not a big deal. Now compare those toys to a bloodyiphone- a several hundred dollar device - and how not all parents might be so willing to raise their child on a touchscreen babysitter. That kid? They're now like the limping gazelle amongst their peers, while also being further isolated from the growing online social scene. Circling back, this could all come down to parenting - notjustthe kids being bullied - but parents who are relatively desensitized to social media thenraisingtheir children to carry forward the same mindsets.

It's a bit like how there are people who have little value or forethought considering privacy and what they put online; that's a dangerous combination when applied to younger people who are far more likely to post regrettable content for the world to see, with unforeseeable consequences depending on what gets posted by or against whom.

Mental health is the heart of the problem, though, be it a lack of empathy, depression or some sort of insecurity that results in a violent outburst, hormonal imbalances, trauma, so on and so forth. Whatever the specific issue or issues in any given case, they might even have the potential to be be resolved if either addressed directly or if the surrounding variables are confronted in time.

As a final, related two notes, there is the general possibility of a "bad egg," that is, an individual who is for no discernible reason just not right in the head. From an evolutionary standpoint, humans have ruled out pretty much all natural selection - even against members of our species who should not be procreating, let alonesurvive. When every person is in the running to throw their potential genetic mess into the population pool, the chances of a child with mental health issues, amongst every other possible issue, is going to increase, period. To circle back yet again, not every personshouldbe a parent - not every individual or couple is prepared emotionally or financially to have a child, but they do anyway to the greater detriment to the rest of society.

Winding down, though, I'll reiterate that there are surely tons of variables at play, but I'm not going to write a misc thesis list all of the potential causes, either.

As a European looking from the ouside:

#1 reason: Mental illness and lack of social infrastructure to keep these people locked in/cared for.
USA has an insane (pun non intended lol) amount of crazy people running around wild, and virtually no infrastructure that forces these people to be locked away/cared for.
In Europe, the government puts you in mandatory special hospital if you tell your doctor you are suicidal, purchased weapons, etc.
Gun laws in USA **are not the main reason**, although I find them somewhat too liberal depending on which state.
WE IN EUROPE DONT HAVE THE SAME PROBLEMS BECAUSE WE LOCK UP THE CRAZIES, NOT BECAUSE WE HAVE STRICT GUN LAWS.

TLDR: You have too many crazy people roaming the streets.

extremist identity politics, just needs one ticking time bomb nutjob

The US has the criminal justice system. A one-stop shop for all our problems. So there.

Social isolation is a big thing in America, much moreso than Europe where it's still more tight knit/homogenous communities. America is VERY cliquey. In Europe most of the countries still have that "one people united" feel to them although at the current demographic trends, that will not last much longer.

Just lol at anyone blaming anything but the US obsession with guns/violence. I've traveled the world, lived in Germany and Russia and let me tell you something. Kids are no different there than they are here. It has 0 to do with parents, or mental health (what is everyone else in the world seeing sigmund freud?) or social media or whatever else you want to pin it on.

The USA has had a gun culture since its founding, and school shootings have only been a real issue since the 90s. Before 1934 you could literally order a full auto Tommy gun from the Sears catalog and have it delivered to your door, cash on delivery and no questions asked, and we didn't have school shootings. For decades after it was stupid simple to get semi-auto firearms that you could shoot schools up with, but nobody did. We've also always had crazy people, bullied people, etc.

Two things that changed are the 24 hour news cycle and the rise of social media. Psychopaths with something to prove now realize that they can gain extreme notoriety, the kind reserved for high level politicians and Hollywood actors, by committing a mass shooting. Who ITT hasn't heard of Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold, Adam Lanza, James Holmes, Stephen Cho, Elliot Rodger, and Stephen Paddock? If you want "revenge" against the world and for it to be publicized for weeks on every TV screen in the USA and all over the world, commit a mass shooting. You didn't have that 50 years ago. Social media just further fuels that fire as hundreds of millions of people around the world talk about the shooter and argue about his actions in the realm of social media.