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gotta stop trying to fight radicals with bullets and bombs and send in all of our SJWs instead. They will enlighten all those enemy combatants with superior understanding of diversity and inclusion.

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RIP to the soldiers, and people are rightfully disgusted by this.

On the flip side, it is estimated that America has been responsible for over 20 million deaths since the end of the second world war, with a large percentage being innocent victims. American citizens openly stating a lot of these wars are motivated by financial gain, that doesn't stop the soldiers following out orders.

One of the terrorists may have been brought up in a town which has been destroyed by American bombs, there parents, brothers and sister dead... hearing how they were killed due to America wanting more oil.

It's sometimes difficult to distinguish between who is the terrorist and who is the freedom fighter.
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Originally Posted By US_Ranger
You do realize that the SF mission is to integrate with locals and help train them right? You do realize this is Niger where groups of ISIS are operating against local military, civilians and government right? You do realize that the SF guys work in small teams and fight alongside the locals against ISIS right?

Of course you don't realize that. You're a pseudo-intellectual.

Should we be involved in all these countries? Absolutely not. But it always cracks me up to see idiots like yourself with zero understanding of modern warfare spouting off when guys are in a ****-storm of trouble defending the locals against ISIS.

The amount of hate some people have for the US is so high now that supporting what ISIS does is a better option. Crazy times.
Nope didn't know that until the other dude awared me.. But my point is still accurate though, maybe not for this case though.. my bad about that.
Sorry for not believing the US government has the best intentions for other countries when the past indicates otherwise.. Not just for the US government but any government really.

Also lmao at the ISIS comment.. You know how the left sjw the misc hates goes full retard and calls anyone who disagrees with them a nazi? This is the same thing, nobody here supports ISIS..
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Originally Posted By SwimToTheMoon
Nope didn't know that until the other dude awared me.. But my point is still accurate though, maybe not for this case though.. my bad about that.
Sorry for not believing the US government has the best intentions for other countries when the past indicates otherwise.. Not just for the US government but any government really.

Also lmao at the ISIS comment.. You know how the left sjw the misc hates goes full retard and calls anyone who disagrees with them a nazi? This is the same thing, nobody here supports ISIS..
No one is defending the US government here. It's a corrupt pile of steaming ****. Everyone knows that.

And no, this isn't a false dilemma. The dudes fighting the SF are ISIS affiliates. They are all over parts of Africa and local governments are trying to fight against them to avoid another Syria type situation, hence why SF teams are deployed everywhere.
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Strong wtf at the "They got what they had coming to them" posts. You guys are some real disrespectful pieces of shiet. Never would say that out in public though because you'd get your chin checked.

Don't see what is so hard about understanding they are there to prevent ISIS from spreading its influence to other regions. The local population and government are inadequate to defend against them and request assistance. If the U.S. just sits back and let's them grow then they will grow in strength and be a more difficult problem to contend with.
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In my opinion a few M249's could have repelled the attack and made them retreat. If anyone is unaware they took out almost half of the troops even though they were outnumbered.
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sad. reminds me that no matter how much u training you have - it still boils down to which side has more men.

I can't even fathom the ww1/ww2/vietnam days where hundreds/thousands died per DAY. holy. I can only imagine the horror soldiers faced back then. rip.
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Originally Posted By RocknRollMuscle
sad. reminds me that no matter how much u training you have - it still boils down to which side has more men.

I can't even fathom the ww1/ww2/vietnam days where hundreds/thousands died per DAY. holy. I can only imagine the horror soldiers faced back then. rip.
Indeed. We can only guess what it would feel like, especially at the point when you know it's the end. I don't watch these kinds of videos anymore though - I used to for awhile. It definitely made me complain a lot less IRL about trivial matters.
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End of the video was ****ing hard to watch. If you don't want to phuck your day up, give it a miss.
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Originally Posted By US_Ranger
You do realize that the SF mission is to integrate with locals and help train them right? You do realize this is Niger where groups of ISIS are operating against local military, civilians and government right? You do realize that the SF guys work in small teams and fight alongside the locals against ISIS right?

Of course you don't realize that. You're a pseudo-intellectual.

Should we be involved in all these countries? Absolutely not. But it always cracks me up to see idiots like yourself with zero understanding of modern warfare spouting off when guys are in a ****-storm of trouble defending the locals against ISIS.

The amount of hate some people have for the US is so high now that supporting what ISIS does is a better option. Crazy times.
Scary, I didn't know ISIS was spreading that far. The only upside to it is it galvanizes the rest of the world against the insanity of islam (inb4 muslim miscers want to behead me)
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No e-warrior. Can someone explain to me why they didn't all just jump in the car and speed away? I know they said the car wasn't bulletproof but I'd rather take my chances driving off. Did they not realize how heavily outnumbered they were until it was too late or was their vehicle disabled? In one section of the video the vehicle was slowly rolling forward. Was it on its last legs at that point?

Or in that situation is it better just to stand and fight because driving away in an unarmored vehicle with that much firepower on you would cut you down?

Any military brahs help out here?
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Originally Posted By Nerdy9
In my opinion a few M249's could have repelled the attack and made them retreat. If anyone is unaware they took out almost half of the troops even though they were outnumbered.
Negative. Flat, open terrain without much cover (cover, not concealment) would have left them just as fcked. Horrible spot to be in unless you're on a mountain top and have a lot of rocks/boulders covering you.
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Originally Posted By Scrizzle
No e-warrior. Can someone explain to me why they didn't all just jump in the car and speed away? I know they said the car wasn't bulletproof but I'd rather take my chances driving off. Did they not realize how heavily outnumbered they were until it was too late or was their vehicle disabled? In one section of the video the vehicle was slowly rolling forward. Was it on its last legs at that point?

Or in that situation is it better just to stand and fight because driving away in an unarmored vehicle with that much firepower on you would cut you down?

Any military brahs help out here?
My guess is that the vehicle was probably leaking radiator fluid or was barely chugging along. Also, impossible to know what exactly was going on. Was another group nearby and they didn't want to leave without their guys? Very likely if any other teams were in the area. By the time they realized it was time to bounce, the vehicle was probably fcked.

Still impossible to know what the details of any of it are. Small unit tactics are a different kind of ballgame.
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Originally Posted By SuchSquats
Can anyone confirm that running in a zig-zag manner is less effective than a straight dash when fleeing gun fire? (srs)

Woulda been doing cartwheels in the tumble weed if I was the guy with the camera tbh
When the enemy has a full auto weapon they don’t even have to move their fire, they can just let you zig and zag right into it.

Run in a straight line and get the fuk to cover or concealment as fast as you can
Originally Posted By US_Ranger
My guess is that the vehicle was probably leaking radiator fluid or was barely chugging along. Also, impossible to know what exactly was going on. Was another group nearby and they didn't want to leave without their guys? Very likely if any other teams were in the area. By the time they realized it was time to bounce, the vehicle was probably fcked.

Still impossible to know what the details of any of it are. Small unit tactics are a different kind of ballgame.
There was another vehicle and a bunch of Nigerians behind them, looked like the US troops were leading them through the ambush.
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Originally Posted By Scrizzle
No e-warrior. Can someone explain to me why they didn't all just jump in the car and speed away? I know they said the car wasn't bulletproof but I'd rather take my chances driving off. Did they not realize how heavily outnumbered they were until it was too late or was their vehicle disabled? In one section of the video the vehicle was slowly rolling forward. Was it on its last legs at that point?

Or in that situation is it better just to stand and fight because driving away in an unarmored vehicle with that much firepower on you would cut you down?

Any military brahs help out here?
The military is not perfect. Civilians forget this. It's not like Hollywood. When you're stressed, panicking it's hard to be perfect or think logically. Perhaps they could've done many things differently and saved themselves, but in the heat of the moment their main mission is to stay alive. When I was freaked out, I made tons of mistakes out in the sandbox too but I'm only human. Training can only do so much.
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I still want to know why the other 6 cars in the convoy didn't turn around and engage. I am not judging just wondering.
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Originally Posted By gwem32170191
I still want to know why the other 6 cars in the convoy didn't turn around and engage. I am not judging just wondering.
Probably Nigerian troops? Probably **** themselves (srs) when the whole thing started.

I've been in a few full on contact moments. When I was with my boys in the 75th, everyone acted appropriately and wrecked the enemy. The last few times I've been nearby things popping off (IED's, machine gun fire, etc) there have been people who have had legit heart attacks, **** their pants, passed out, cried, hid, etc. This is the normal behavior for guys who are not well trained. Coming from the 75th Ranger regiment, it threw me for a loop when I saw how some people reacted to enemy contact. My mind had trouble wrapping around dudes ****ting themselves but such is life.
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Originally Posted By Scrizzle
Strong wtf at the "They got what they had coming to them" posts. You guys are some real disrespectful pieces of shiet. Never would say that out in public though because you'd get your chin checked.

Don't see what is so hard about understanding they are there to prevent ISIS from spreading its influence to other regions. The local population and government are inadequate to defend against them and request assistance. If the U.S. just sits back and let's them grow then they will grow in strength and be a more difficult problem to contend with.
@bold so much.

1) Read/learn as much about the event you're gonna speak of before you make some absolutely fukin retarded statements that will out you as a total kunt
2) Go get a fukin therapy session if you "have no sympathy", there's something seriously wrong with you if you have no empathy for seeing or reading about soldiers killed in cold blood, particularly when their presence was requested by the local government and they were there to help people.
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Originally Posted By CopeyDan
What fukin business do the US have in Niger?

As usual it's the poor guys on the front-line following orders that pay the ultimate price.Desperately sad.
Naive and well meaning pure hearted selfless men laying down their lives. Tragedy in the strongest sense of the word.

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Originally Posted By US_Ranger
Probably Nigerian troops? Probably **** themselves (srs) when the whole thing started.

I've been in a few full on contact moments. When I was with my boys in the 75th, everyone acted appropriately and wrecked the enemy. The last few times I've been nearby things popping off (IED's, machine gun fire, etc) there have been people who have had legit heart attacks, **** their pants, passed out, cried, hid, etc. This is the normal behavior for guys who are not well trained. Coming from the 75th Ranger regiment, it threw me for a loop when I saw how some people reacted to enemy contact. My mind had trouble wrapping around dudes ****ting themselves but such is life.
This was a good read. So with good military training, you have a higher chance to overcome fear when chit hits the fan? Or is how a person reacts simply down to the psychological makeup of the individual?
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my best friend just got out of airborne and is getting ready for his q course and meanwhile his brother is sf in africa.
he told us how his buddy got killed so they went on this revenge mission the chit is brutal
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video brings up emotions for obvious reasons, but they fought like warriors

one can hope now that there will be a change in policy so that they arent rolling around in unarmored technicals, and have proper cas. Theres a reason why the south africans are so mrap heavy
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Originally Posted By US_Ranger
The last few times I've been nearby things popping off (IED's, machine gun fire, etc) there have been people who have had legit heart attacks, **** their pants, passed out, cried, hid, etc. This is the normal behavior for guys who are not well trained.
What in the fuck are they doing in the army? Did these fools think this is Call Of Duty: Modern Warfare, but then reality hits them like a freight train?
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Originally Posted By 21stCenturyKid
What in the fuck are they doing in the army? Did these fools think this is Call Of Duty: Modern Warfare, but then reality hits them like a freight train?
99% of the military is not special operations. Most of it is just normal people who wanted a way to go to college for free. That being said, even if you think you’re a hard motherfuker you never really know until you’re exposed to serious stress.
Originally Posted By mmkgains
my best friend just got out of airborne and is getting ready for his q course and meanwhile his brother is sf in africa.
he told us how his buddy got killed so they went on this revenge mission the chit is brutal
I’ve been hearing from a couple buddies that their team has been stacking al shabab bodies in Africa. Chits popping off there. They can’t wait to get downrange.
Originally Posted By AquilaConfido
This was a good read. So with good military training, you have a higher chance to overcome fear when chit hits the fan? Or is how a person reacts simply down to the psychological makeup of the individual?
Good training, especially spec ops training, exposes you to crazy amounts of stress. The guys who make it through SFAS, BUD/S, etc, have been through so much chit in training thattheoreticallythey should be much more likely to keep it together when they start taking fire.
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Rock on bro. People like SwimToTheMoon never take into account the moves of our enemies. It's all anti-American blah blah blah with them.

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Originally Posted By AquilaConfido
This was a good read. So with good military training, you have a higher chance to overcome fear when chit hits the fan? Or is how a person reacts simply down to the psychological makeup of the individual?
Pretty much. This is why elite forces have such difficult training. I worked with a couple of SOF guys once, in Niger, come to think of it, and they were telling me a little bit about their training. they have a term called stress inoculation. They put you in situations that are intentionally stressful and chaotic so your muscle memory learns how to respond. May explain why this small team was able to take out half of the much much larger force.
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I haven't negged anyone in ages but this thread has changed that. FFS some of you guys are ****ing psychos who need therapy. Have some compassion for the fallen and keep your crazy anti-American/conspiracy theory nonsense to yourselves.
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Saw the video and it's pretty awful, can't imagine how it must be for their families knowing there's people watching how they died.

Wish all the dumbfuks who think "nuking places" would solve all the problems could fuk off, you're no different to the scum who murdered the USA soldiers just you'd have other people be your targets. They hate white/christian/foreigners/invaders, you hate dark/muslim/foreigners and each side thinks the other should be wiped out without question or regard for who else gets in the way, would think these emotional potatoes and their lust for revenge would learn something from past lessons.
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Originally Posted By US_Ranger
Probably Nigerian troops? Probably **** themselves (srs) when the whole thing started.

I've been in a few full on contact moments. When I was with my boys in the 75th, everyone acted appropriately and wrecked the enemy. The last few times I've been nearby things popping off (IED's, machine gun fire, etc) there have been people who have had legit heart attacks, **** their pants, passed out, cried, hid, etc. This is the normal behavior for guys who are not well trained. Coming from the 75th Ranger regiment, it threw me for a loop when I saw how some people reacted to enemy contact. My mind had trouble wrapping around dudes ****ting themselves but such is life.
Did you serve at the same time as John Lovell, Jack Murphy and Kris Paranto? I'm a fan of theirs.

On-topic, this vid was tough as hell to watch.
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