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post 1547323771 03-24-2018, 05:53 PM
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Went from eating eating 5-7kg of meat weekly and heavy amounts of dairy to whole foods plant diet overnight and felt completely normal. Never encountered any problems you mentioned. Did you eat a considerable amount of processed ****?
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Originally Posted By phillyfreak7⏩
Vegans live longer because there's less risk of developing heart disease and cancer on a vegan diet. Very much the opposite of unhealthy.

I look the exact same as when I was eating meat. I hit the same exact micros and macros. Nothing has went down on me. I didn't lose even a pound going vegan.

No, they're just aware of 60 billion animals every year dying to feed people that is completely unnecessary at this point, environmentally damaging, and help contribute to higher rates of cancer and heart disease.
why do you care so much about animals dying anyways ? Humans die all the time everyday, it’s called reproducing and you’ll be dead in 60 years anyway before you even see an effect. And cancer is caused by the government so you can’t fix that .
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Originally Posted By bjjnovice⏩
Saturated fat and cholesterol = heart disease or stroke
wrong . Heart disease is caused by atherosclerosis, the build-up of fats, cholesterol, and other substances in and on the artery walls. Years and years of eating bad chit takes a toll and not excercising. Unless it’s genetic. All our heart problem patients are older folks or obese unhealthy folks. And strokes are caused by ischemia in your brain.
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Ran a Pescatarian vegetarian diet for a month before. Wasn't that bad, as you're still allowed eggs and fish.
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Originally Posted By phillyfreak7⏩
Silk vanilla almond/cashew milk, 10g of protein per 8oz
Orgain Plant Protein Powder
Run Everything Labs Plant Protein Powder
Rice, apples, bananas, kiwi, oranges
Broc****, cauliflower, potatoes, sweet potatoes, spinach
Meatless meats by Quorn, Tofurky, Gardein, Morningstar

That's basically 90% of my diet
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Originally Posted By kingHanley⏩
wrong . Heart disease is caused by atherosclerosis, the build-up of fats, cholesterol, and other substances in and on the artery walls. Years and years of eating bad chit takes a toll and not excercising. Unless it’s genetic. All our heart problem patients are older folks or obese unhealthy folks. And strokes are caused by ischemia in your brain.
Yes, ascvd causes heart disease and stroke. Ascvd is caused through elevated blood lipids. Elevated blood lipids comes from eating a diet high in lipids, particularly saturated fat and cholesterol. The same way drinking alcohol puts alcohol in your blood, eating lipids puts them in your blood and causes damage to the endothelial cells lining your veins. The bodies inflammatory response to this causes plaque formation.

And your statement that atherosclerosis takes decades to occur is wrong. Most 10 year olds on a modern diet already have fatty streaks in their arteries (early atherosclerosis).

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/1619200/

How are you going to claim that atherosclerosis isn't a big deal when it's now become the #1 killer of people in the western world?
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Originally Posted By kingHanley⏩
why do you care so much about animals dying anyways ? Humans die all the time everyday, it’s called reproducing and you’ll be dead in 60 years anyway before you even see an effect. And cancer is caused by the government so you can’t fix that .
There's a number of different ways to approach this question. But at the end of the day if you're a person incapable of feeling empathy these approaches are pointless. And if you're incapable of feeling empathy, you're a sociopath and should be removed from society.

Do you have a dog? A cat? Would you care if they died? If so, why is it difficult for you to imagine why people care about the torture and slaughter of 50+ billion animals a year? It's an absolutely horrific and cruel practice on a planetary scale, that Is making people fat, sick, and contributing to the destruction of the planet.
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Gtfo here with that diet before you turn into a soyboy. I'd rather **** my organs up and be dead than to never drink a beer or eat a kebab again.
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When lab grown meat becomes the only meat available, are vegetarians still gonna vegetarian?
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Originally Posted By havoc00⏩
When lab grown meat becomes the only meat available, are vegetarians still gonna vegetarian?
Regardless of the health consequences i sincerely hope lab grown meat becomes cheap and widely available so we can stop the systematic slaughter of billions of animals and the resulting environmental destruction
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thats what you get for living in turkey fam srs
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Originally Posted By bjjnovice⏩
There's a number of different ways to approach this question. But at the end of the day if you're a person incapable of feeling empathy these approaches are pointless. And if you're incapable of feeling empathy, you're a sociopath and should be removed from society.

Do you have a dog? A cat? Would you care if they died? If so, why is it difficult for you to imagine why people care about the torture and slaughter of 50+ billion animals a year? It's an absolutely horrific and cruel practice on a planetary scale, that Is making people fat, sick, and contributing to the destruction of the planet.
The difference is I dont eat my dog
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Originally Posted By Sinan09400⏩
The difference is I dont eat my dog
Why?
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Went vegan for 5 months if you're looking for protein look up vital wheat gluten
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Originally Posted By AshWar⏩
The American Journal of Clinical Nutrition, Volume 102, Issue 2, 1 August 2015, Pages 276–294,

https://academic.oup.com/ajcn/article/102/2/276/4564504
Ok, from your own link
"Dietary cholesterol statistically significantly increased both serum total cholesterol"

So this study acknowledges that dietary cholesterol increased serum cholesterol. Are we now going into lipid hypothesis denialism? Are you siding with their conclusion that high blood cholesterol does not cause atherosclerosis?

because, well... uh...
https://academic.oup.com/eurheartj/a...2/2459/3745109

Separate meta-analyses of over 200 prospective cohort studies, Mendelian randomization studies, and randomized trials including more than 2 million participants with over 20 million person-years of follow-up and over 150 000 cardiovascular events demonstrate a remarkably consistent dose-dependent log-linear association between the absolute magnitude of exposure of the vasculature to LDL-C and the risk of ASCVD; and this effect appears to increase with increasing duration of exposure to LDL-C.

>meta analysis of 200 studies (a variety of different types of studies)
>2 million participants
>20 million person years of follow up
>linear association between the amount of LDL-C in the blood and cardiovascular event

in summary:
>your meta analysis says that elevated blood lipids doesn't cause heart disease
>your meta analysis acknowledges that dietary cholesterol raises serum cholesterol
>my meta analysis which is more recent (2017) and much larger (200 studies, 2 million people), shows a linear association between serum LDL-C and heart disease

Also, there's this -
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9006469

395 dietary experiments (median duration 1 month) among 129 groups of individuals.

"Isocaloric replacement of saturated fats by complex carbohydrates for 10% of dietary calories resulted in blood total cholesterol falling by 0.52 (SE 0.03) mmol/l and low density lipoprotein cholesterol falling by 0.36 (0.05) mmol/l. Isocaloric replacement of complex carbohydrates by polyunsaturated fats for 5% of dietary calories resulted in total cholesterol falling by a further 0.13 (0.02) mmol/l and low density lipoprotein cholesterol falling by 0.11 (0.02) mmol/l. Similar replacement of carbohydrates by monounsaturated fats produced no significant effect on total or low density lipoprotein cholesterol. Avoiding 200 mg/day dietary cholesterol further decreased blood total cholesterol by 0.13 (0.02) mmol/l and low density lipoprotein cholesterol by 0.10 (0.02) mmol/"

>395 separate experiments
>concludes replacing saturated fat with complex carbs reduces serum cholesterol
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Originally Posted By wickedman⏩
Vegan diet is obviously healthier than a traditional american diet, as the traditional american diet is ****. Ideal "normalish" diet would probably be the Mediterranean diet. But I respect vegans for doing what they do as far as animals are concerned. It's ****ed up what some of them go through in order to feed us.

I lol @ liberals who bitch about the environment and corporations poisoning the air when they eat meat - overwhelming majority of greenhouse effect caused by cattle.
couldn't agree more about liberals. Points for recognizing logical consistency.

>muh environment, save the planet
>brb eating this triple stack burger with bacon
>brb totally fukking unaware of the massive impact animal ag. has on the planet
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Originally Posted By bjjnovice⏩
Why?
Cuz she is a dog not a sheep, pig etc
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Originally Posted By Sinan09400⏩
Cuz she is a dog not a sheep, pig etc
That's not a reason.

In many countries dogs are just another animal to eat. There is no logical reason to not eat a dog and eat a chicken or cow.
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Originally Posted By BOZZ⏩
How many animals do you think die when a large scale ag field gets harvested so you can have your salads and ****? Way more than die in a year from me putting arrows and bullets through them.


With that said I assume you've been to Vedge in Philly? **** is delicious
Comparing 50+ billion large animals like cows killed per year to millions of ground squirrels and rabbits living in crop fields.... also by this logic animal ag still kills more animals because the majority of crops are feed for livestock lol
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i dont get it OP
if you wanted a vagene why didnt you just get surgery?
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Originally Posted By BOZZ⏩
There are 954MILLION acres of farmland in the US. Assuming just 5 animal like squirrels, mice, ground nesting birds, etc live on each acre that's 5 billion animals that can die annually. Or do those not matter because they're not big cows? I'll even allow you to subtract 25-35% for the ACTUAL percentage that goes to feed livestock. 25% is most like you said right?

You've got to give me 1.5 billion song birds annually that get killed by domestic cats. Or do those not matter because they don't fit your argument??
I think you're misunderstanding the argument.

Veganism is a lifestyle that seeks to reduce animal suffering as much as is feasibly possible. Are you appealing to futility here? Are you saying that because 1.5 billion small animals still die from crop production that it's all pointless and why try to reduce the number of animals killed? Are you trying to say 50+ billion cows, chickens, pigs, sheep, goats, etc is equivalent to 1.5+ billion ground squirrels? What exactly is the point of your numbers here?
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Originally Posted By bjjnovice⏩
I think you're misunderstanding the argument.

Veganism is a lifestyle that seeks to reduce animal suffering as much as is feasibly possible. Are you appealing to futility here? Are you saying that because 1.5 billion small animals still die from crop production that it's all pointless and why try to reduce the number of animals killed? Are you trying to say 50+ billion cows, chickens, pigs, sheep, goats, etc is equivalent to 1.5+ billion ground squirrels? What exactly is the point of your numbers here?
no you idiot
he was saying(from my assumption) given the VERY conservative 5 animals/acre are dying from crop production as an unnecessary by product. 1.5 billion livestock animals is probably about what veganism in its entirety saves from abuse and if we were to increase farmland for crop production it would mean the cost of more "innocent" lives than if we were to focuc on livestock. either way with you people its always something

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the only thing you have left to push your chitty life is animal abuse.
why dont you sacrifice youself instead of the cow?
You are enough soy to end world hunger boyo
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I wonder if vegans ever considered that the relationship humans have with farm animals is symbiotic. Both species have propagated because of it.

I also question the logic that it is acceptable to eat plants because they don't feel pain. Does that mean an animal with congenital analgesia (inability to feel pain) is acceptable to eat?
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How can you detox your liver when the liver is the detoxing organ. That's like saying I'm gonna mop my mop.
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Originally Posted By BOZZ⏩
The point is the complete and utter hypocrisy of vegans. Opposed to trying to fix the problems in their own lifestyle they'd rather tell others how to live their lives. I'd be worried about the fact that a group that accounts for less than 5% of the population is responsible for nearly 10% as many animal death's as their non-vegan counterparts. Vegans are responsible for a far greater ratio of animal death
Yes, vegans pushing their lifestyle, which results in a healthier environment and healthier body, is the real problem. There definitely isn't a meat commercial, ad or billboard virtually everywhere you go. Yup. Those damn vegans!!
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Originally Posted By bjjnovice⏩
That's not a reason.

In many countries dogs are just another animal to eat. There is no logical reason to not eat a dog and eat a chicken or cow.
If having life is the reason which makes a creature uneatable then you shouldnt eat any of the vegetables or fruits aswell; biologically plants are alive too. Plus you eat animals food which leads to their starvation.


Sounds evil right?
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Originally Posted By bjjnovice⏩
Yes, vegans pushing their lifestyle, which results in a healthier environment and healthier body, is the real problem. There definitely isn't a meat commercial, ad or billboard virtually everywhere you go. Yup. Those damn vegans!!
wow
i never noticed how passionate you are

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Originally Posted By Sinan09400⏩
If having life is the reason which makes a creature uneatable then you shouldnt eat any of the vegetables or fruits aswell; biologically plants are alive too. Plus you eat animals food which leads to their starvation.


Sounds evil right?
Plants don't have nervous systems and can't experience pain. Lmaooooo. I see you failed biology
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Originally Posted By BOZZ⏩
Way to address the facts. No wonder your cause has no backing
I addressed the facts extensively on the previous page
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Originally Posted By bjjnovice⏩
Plants don't have nervous systems and can't experience pain. Lmaooooo. I see you failed biology
The CNS is our current and only form of understanding pain because we can cause pain and see where it stimulates.

how do you know what what a plant's concept of pain is? i see you have a tenuous grasp of science and theories.
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