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Thread: Should trannies be allowed in the military?

post 1547378041 03-25-2018, 12:08 PM
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Originally Posted By Caeculus⏩
The issues I have is hating and being disgusted with degenerates. You can't compare me to a tranny or a homo like yourself.
I'm not a reprobate sodomite and I have no sympathy for those that hate and destroy which is good. I would not mourn for their deaths if they were all to die tomorrow.
Cute. I doubt anyone would mourn you either. You don't like act like you have anyone in your life that cares about you anyways, that's for sure.
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Originally Posted By tank2003⏩
I also agree. Too much effort is being put into this. But at the same time, hypocritical allowances are made for this crows simply because of their sexual preferences that would not be made other wise. They are nothing more than political ammunition. At least the conservatives are trying to stay consistent while the liberals do
what they do best: identity politics and encourage the handling of minority groups with kiddy gloves because they believe that they will never succeed without special treatment. The CHITTY thing about special treatment is that once you get use to special treatment, EQUAL treatment feels like discrimination. Now you have something to complain about, enter liberal politicians pushing special treatment and rules and the cycle repeats itself.
I think too much effort is being put in by both sides. I respect individuals struggles and understand that gender/sexuality issues are real, but I also have a brain and know that humans do not take kindly to "the other" and have a hard time accepting change. LGBT issues have been pushed extremely fast the past 5 years and due to religious programming a lot of people can't handle it.

Everything could be handled much, much smarter. But it's not. Both sides are too fukked up and it has resulted in a clash. At the end of the day, I don't think military should be spending money on anyone's personal life.

Those talking about trannies being mentally ill clearly don't realise that 99% of people are mentally ill in this society and won't always be reliable.

If you want to join the military, accept what it entails and serve, no matter the consequences. If you pass the tests then you should be able to serve. End of story.
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I actually don't know. Haven't done enough research on how trannyism affects the mind and how things are currently faring with their inclusion. Any answer currently would be pure bias.
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Originally Posted By IfeHearted⏩
I actually don't know. Haven't done enough research on how trannyism affects the mind and how things are currently faring with their inclusion. Any answer currently would be pure bias.
Actually agree with this. Paired with the fact that more or less everyone is mentally ill in some way, and when you look at wars, does anyone really "WIN" them?

Up to now, does NOT having trannies in military, benefit us anyway? Really? Does not having trannies in the military, help all the straight men who become mentally ill / die due to war?

War by definition is completely illogical and mentally ill, the biggest threat and destruction to our World that we will ever have. Aside from catastrophic weather, massive space debris collusion and universal events etc.
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Originally Posted By tank2003⏩
contrary to popular belief, viagra is only to be prescribed under medicaid and universal coverage if it meets certain requirements which is when a man actually has a vascular system defect or his ED problem is a side effect of another medication that cant be substituted. And why shouldnt the government spend the money on keeping their ONLY means of self defense happy? "Sorry fellas. People only want you to have natural boners if you are in the military to prove a point or something. So keep on fighting and tell your friends that they too can join and have the same issues."
the VA prescribes Viagra for lack of a thick, solid, tight boner, srs.
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Originally Posted By Caeculus⏩
The issues I have is hating and being disgusted with degenerates. You can't compare me to a tranny or a homo like yourself.
I'm not a reprobate sodomite and I have no sympathy for those that hate and destroy which is good. I would not mourn for their deaths if they were all to die tomorrow.
shut the fuk up you prick. reported for being a chitty human
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Originally Posted By Lucianus⏩
I think too much effort is being put in by both sides. I respect individuals struggles and understand that gender/sexuality issues are real, but I also have a brain and know that humans do not take kindly to "the other" and have a hard time accepting change. LGBT issues have been pushed extremely fast the past 5 years and due to religious programming a lot of people can't handle it.

Everything could be handled much, much smarter. But it's not. Both sides are too fukked up and it has resulted in a clash. At the end of the day, I don't think military should be spending money on anyone's personal life.

Those talking about trannies being mentally ill clearly don't realise that 99% of people are mentally ill in this society and won't always be reliable.

If you want to join the military, accept what it entails and serve, no matter the consequences. If you pass the tests then you should be able to serve. End of story.
Care to quantify that?

Sure we all have our mental and physical flaws... but does 99% of the population have a 40% suicide rate?

We live in a society where the LGBTQ society is pretty much accepted everywhere. I just don't understand why they can't accept they are among one of the many groups of people unfit for military service.

I see two sides here. But I only see one side adopting a practical approach, and the other is adopting an entirely subjective/emotion based approach. There's no room for transgender individuals in the military.
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Originally Posted By AshWar⏩
No way. You can't get in the military if you're flat footed, obese, midget, etc. Why make an exception here? Isn't the suicide rate among trans people like 40%?
Last I read it was 70-80% threshold.
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Originally Posted By rollerball⏩
whoever wants to fight should be allowed to fight, imo
Not if the US Military is held responsible for their sex change operations and required lifetime drug use.
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Originally Posted By TMaC828⏩
Care to quantify that?

Sure we all have our mental and physical flaws... but does 99% of the population have a 40% suicide rate?

We live in a society where the LGBTQ society is pretty much accepted everywhere. I just don't understand why they can't accept they are among one of the many groups of people unfit for military service.

I see two sides here. But I only see one side adopting a practical approach, and the other is adopting an entirely subjective/emotion based approach. There's no room for transgender individuals in the military.
Suicide rates are a tough thing to gage, LGBT people have a higher suicide rate because of their inability to fit into current society. This means that if they weretrulyaccepted (and it is getting better for them every year, I'm not hating on the progress at all) then they would less likely want to leave society.

I think in a few decades if things continue to get better for LGBT people and they don't feel like aliens amongst society (they still do, no matter what propaganda you read) , then we can confidently say that they commit suicide due to their personal brain function and not how society treats them.

Suicide is the biggest killer for men aged 18-36 in the UK, but that doesn't mean 18-35 aged males should not be able to join the military.
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Anyone should be allowed in the military if they can survive the harsh training of boot camp
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Originally Posted By Lucianus⏩
I think too much effort is being put in by both sides. I respect individuals struggles and understand that gender/sexuality issues are real, but I also have a brain and know that humans do not take kindly to "the other" and have a hard time accepting change. LGBT issues have been pushed extremely fast the past 5 years and due to religious programming a lot of people can't handle it.

Everything could be handled much, much smarter. But it's not. Both sides are too fukked up and it has resulted in a clash. At the end of the day, I don't think military should be spending money on anyone's personal life.

Those talking about trannies being mentally ill clearly don't realise that 99% of people are mentally ill in this society and won't always be reliable.

If you want to join the military, accept what it entails and serve, no matter the consequences. If you pass the tests then you should be able to serve. End of story.
You ABSOLUTELY cannot expect to train military personnel and then expect them to deal with all the side effects of the military life on their own. If your training causes their back pain, then you treat them. If your training gives them PTSD, then treat them.

Both sides have fukked up the battle of compromise between homo and heterosexuality almost to the point where there is no fix. And imo, there will never be a fix because there are too many militants on both sides who dont want compromise. They want the other side to be FORCED to see the opposers views whether they want to or not. There are people on the right who think sexuality is a choice and there are people on the homo side who just want to be a part of hetero life so they can piss hetero people off. Perverting the christian god/jesus in pride parades (and then saying chit like trump is a hateful person...no hypocrisy there) is a prime example but an example for a totally different discussion. My point is that it is another form of war that just will never end. To many people see too many opportunities in keeping people divided under the guise of something else

The ENTIRE argument of mentally ill and the military is simple. 9 out of 10 mental illnesses DQ you from being int he military and dysphoria is 100% one of them, yet when you put gender in front of it, its no longer and issue. Who is this fair to? Is it fair to the ones who have severe social dysphoria and got a 4F on their MEPS application for enlistment but Bailey Jay over her could get the red carpet treatment if she decided it.
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Originally Posted By Lucianus⏩
You do realise trans people are individuals, right? Are you that brainwashed that you think every single trans woman is some barbie wannabe who talks about makeup and fashion all day?

People that want to fight for their country are patriotic. Thats why they want to go into the military. Thousands of trans have already served and risked their lives.
Trans people are mentally ill by definition. They live in a fantasy world and refuse to accept reality. I wouldn't want to serve with one any more than I would want to serve with someone who believes that they are Jesus Christ or a canine. No lunatics allowed and don't ask don't tell are the best policies.
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Originally Posted By buckeyenutz⏩
the VA prescribes Viagra for lack of a thick, solid, tight boner, srs.
Well, considering that the VA has patients from WWII...yeah
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We need more trannies in society.

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Originally Posted By 300BLK⏩
Anyone should be allowed in the military if they can survive the harsh training of boot camp
LMAO. "harsh training of boot camp." If you only knew....
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I don't think we are ready for it right now. Many individuals in the military are right winged and not at all politically correct, it would be extremely difficult for transgender individuals to be treated fairly or normally. I also think its pathetic that people turn this into a political talking point. Not everyone is allowed in the military even though they may be willing and qualified. If you took certain medications you cannot join. I got told I was unfit to join because I had a burn mark on my arm and the dr said it was self mutilation lol
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No time to read through the whole thread,
I’m sure there’s plenty of people arguing yes that need to be negged tho so I’ll check later
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Originally Posted By Clkflynn⏩
We need more trannies in society.

Tranny lover crew unite.
lead by example fella
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Originally Posted By Lucianus⏩
Suicide rates are a tough thing to gage, LGBT people have a higher suicide rate because of their inability to fit into current society. This means that if they weretrulyaccepted (and it is getting better for them every year, I'm not hating on the progress at all) then they would less likely want to leave society.

I think in a few decades if things continue to get better for LGBT people and they don't feel like aliens amongst society (they still do, no matter what propaganda you read) , then we can confidently say that they commit suicide due to their personal brain function and not how society treats them.

Suicide is the biggest killer for men aged 18-36 in the UK, but that doesn't mean 18-35 aged males should not be able to join the military.
Ah yes, it's everyone else's fault that they wake up one day and wish they had a penis or a vagina. It all makes sense now. We all should conform to their needs and comfort them as much as possible. **** out of here. They are accepted as much if not more than a lot of minority groups... yet I don't see Mexicans or Asians blowing their head off at an alarming rate.

Strong statistic there at the end and complete dodge of my initial question...
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Originally Posted By tank2003⏩
You ABSOLUTELY cannot expect to train military personnel and then expect them to deal with all the side effects of the military life on their own. If your training causes their back pain, then you treat them. If your training gives them PTSD, then treat them.

Both sides have fukked up the battle of compromise between homo and heterosexuality almost to the point where there is no fix. And imo, there will never be a fix because there are too many militants on both sides who dont want compromise. They want the other side to be FORCED to see the opposers views whether they want to or not. There are people on the right who think sexuality is a choice and there are people on the homo side who just want to be a part of hetero life so they can piss hetero people off. Perverting the christian god/jesus in pride parades (and then saying chit like trump is a hateful person...no hypocrisy there) is a prime example but an example for a totally different discussion. My point is that it is another form of war that just will never end. To many people see too many opportunities in keeping people divided under the guise of something else

The ENTIRE argument of mentally ill and the military is simple. 9 out of 10 mental illnesses DQ you from being int he military and dysphoria is 100% one of them, yet when you put gender in front of it, its no longer and issue. Who is this fair to? Is it fair to the ones who have severe social dysphoria and got a 4F on their MEPS application for enlistment but Bailey Jay over her could get the red carpet treatment if she decided it.
some (tacky) LGBT people are disrespecting religion etc in retaliation to the abuse and murder of LGBT people from the same religious institution. Not too long ago, being a **** got you castrated, jailed or murdered, due to religious programming. There is a lot of resentment still there, and it is a shame for everyone involved.

We keep talking about mental illness when I truly believe everyone is mentally ill. Believing in God in my opinion is mentally ill because it's never been proven, just like how some people think trannies are mentally ill, because it's never been proven that they genuinely are the gender that they feel they are.

At the end of the day, Like I said a few posts up, war is the biggest thread and most destructive thing in our world, and completely illogical, yet we're discussing trannies or people that believe/talk to a cloud fairy.

The whole conversation is redundant, and truthfully I feel so sad for our species.
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Originally Posted By Lucianus⏩
We keep talking about mental illness when I truly believe everyone is mentally ill. Believing in God in my opinion is mentally ill because it's never been proven, just like how some people think trannies are mentally ill, because it's never been proven that they genuinely are the gender that they feel they are.

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You can't prove that God does or doesn't exist really, but you can definitively prove with scientific fact whether someone is a man or a woman. People who believe in God don't have a higher suicide rate than those who don't either.
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no.

basic trng showering issues
bathroom issues
pt test issues
barrack/tent issues
deployment sleeping issues (w/other units)
random drug test & being watched issues

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Originally Posted By jonmcd46⏩
I don't think we are ready for it right now. Many individuals in the military are right winged and not at all politically correct, it would be extremely difficult for transgender individuals to be treated fairly or normally.
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Originally Posted By TMaC828⏩
Ah yes, it's everyone else's fault that they wake up one day and wish they had a penis or a vagina. It all makes sense now. We all should conform to their needs and comfort them as much as possible. **** out of here. They are accepted as much if not more than a lot of minority groups... yet I don't see Mexicans or Asians blowing their head off at an alarming rate.

Strong statistic there at the end and complete dodge of my initial question...
I'm gay and I knew I was gay from age 3-4. I have studied transgenderism a bit and it appears that transgenders also have a similar experience, they don't wake up one day and decide they're a different gender.

You used suicide as evidence to be unfit for purpose. I rightly added that suicide is the biggest killer of young men in the UK to show a point.

Human beings are tragic brah. We're too intelligent and conscious for our own good. Think about the fact that you and I, our families etc will all be dead and buried in within 150 years and all these conversations and "issues" will be completely pointless.

We're all just trying to cope with our complexities and we're having a hard time trying to function as a collective. We all need to try understand each other a bit better to try make this ride a bit more comfortable. Before we know it we will be ashes.
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Originally Posted By RonaldMcflurry⏩
Trans people are mentally ill by definition. They live in a fantasy world and refuse to accept reality. I wouldn't want to serve with one any more than I would want to serve with someone who believes that they are Jesus Christ or a canine. No lunatics allowed and don't ask don't tell are the best policies.
People that believe in God are also living in a fantasy world and refuse to accept reality, but I don't see them as inferior. We're all just trying to cope.
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No.

I want to sleep in my bed knowing noone will want to rape me
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No.

I want to sleep in my bed knowing noone will want to rape me
Shouldn't you be out ethnically cleansing innocent Kurds?
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Stick to your own country boyo, you have lots of work to do to fix your little island up.
I care about the human collective. You will probably call me mentally ill due to this, but I actually don't believe in borders. I focus on different levels of consciousness and what programming certain regions of the World have been instilled with.

America for example not going to war will greatly benefit me in the UK as we won't get involved like we always do due to NATO and our 'special relationship' and believe it or not it actually makes me feel great when I see people's taxes going on positive things that are worthwhile, no matter what region of the world they're in.
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