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post 1549441901 04-18-2018, 04:17 PM
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Originally Posted By IH8RICE
Felons can’t vote dipchit. Try again.
That's actually not true.

VA Governor restored voting rights prior to 2016 election:
McAuliffe restores voting rights to 13,000 felons

This story is only 2 hours old, but New York is doing it:
Cuomo Plans to Restore Voting Rights to Paroled Felons

Democratic governors love felons.
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So what was the dude reaching for? Just trying to hold his pants up? What a dumbass.
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Originally Posted By sardis3207
Liberal detected.

Kind of an accurate argument though lmao.
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That's actually not true.

VA Governor restored voting rights prior to 2016 election:
McAuliffe restores voting rights to 13,000 felons

This story is only 2 hours old, but New York is doing it:
Cuomo Plans to Restore Voting Rights to Paroled Felons

Democratic governors love felons.
This is unfortunate. I had no idea.
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Originally Posted By Kev1972
How stupid can someone be? I just hope he didn't pollute the gene pool before he died.

First one of these I've seen that didn't look like it was filmed on a potato.
Agree...
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He got exactly what he deserved, I've been home invasion robbed before, he's a piece of chit
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Originally Posted By EoR
To me your life should be up for forfeit once you decide to break into someones sanctuary and pose a fatal threat - and you have to assume every time your life is under threat. I couldn't even imagine the feelings a father would have if he had a family and someone broke in. Piece of sh*t criminals and piece of sh*t court system that punishes law-abiding home owners with "excessive force".

I have no doubt degenerates from the usual think-patterns will still blames cops in a justified shooting. If it was up to them we would have cops hesitating every second and we'd have more innocent lives lost. Yeah there are bad cops and they should be punished, but we have to stop installing doubt to new and up coming police officers. If CNN and FOX posted every time a cop saved a life then they'd be running it 24/7 365 days a year.
LOL, I have been negged a few times on here for not siding with the police, but this case is pretty clearcut.
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To me your life should be up for forfeit once you decide to break into someones sanctuary and pose a fatal threat - and you have to assume every time your life is under threat.
Definitely agree with this. If you break into someone's home, you should expect them to, and they should have the right to, use all force available to neutralize the threat.
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I mean he put himself in such a bad position by doing something so stupid, but when they're yelling at you furiously to take your hands out of your pockets and you do, you shouldn't be shot dead.

Do cops not know how to stay chill and ask them to SLOWLY pull their hands out instead of yelling like maniacs?
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Originally Posted By JesseV87
I mean he put himself in such a bad position by doing something so stupid, but when they're yelling at you furiously to take your hands out of your pockets and you do, you shouldn't be shot dead.

Do cops not know how to stay chill and ask them to SLOWLY pull their hands out instead of yelling like maniacs?
Did the guy even have a gun ? I’m with you ,as I don’t know how he could show his hand . As soon as he brings his hand out of his pocket , there going to shoot regardless .
I’m not defending this waste of skin, but he should have had his hands up before even being asked .
Or shouldn’t be breaking into people’s homes in the first place
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Originally Posted By JesseV87
I mean he put himself in such a bad position by doing something so stupid, but when they're yelling at you furiously to take your hands out of your pockets and you do, you shouldn't be shot dead.

Do cops not know how to stay chill and ask them to SLOWLY pull their hands out instead of yelling like maniacs?
Dumb post... he has one hand up and is clearly doing something with the other.. that's what set off the shooting.. why put one hand up and leave the other in your pants.. unless you have a weapon.
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Originally Posted By MajorTendonitis
Did the guy even have a gun ? I’m with you ,as I don’t know how he could show his hand . As soon as he brings his hand out of his pocket , there going to shoot regardless .
I’m not defending this waste of skin, but he should have had nobody hands up before even being asked .
Or shouldn’t be breaking into people’s homes in the first place
It's true, he should have had both hands out immediately. I just don't understand how a lot of these cops don't know how to de-escalate. They're just amping themselves up and amping the perp up too as a result. I mean they both have their guns out and pointed, they're in a pretty advantageous position as is.
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Originally Posted By metallicide
Dumb post... he has one hand up and is clearly doing something with the other.. that's what set off the shooting.. why put one hand up and leave the other in your pants.. unless you have a weapon.
Well clearly he didn't have a weapon, so it could've been for any stupid reason.

Why not just ask him to leave his other hand in his pocket then? Or ask him to slowly remove it in a more calm manner so that you aren't getting the guy nervous and coercing him into removing his hand too quickly.
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Originally Posted By JesseV87
It's true, he should have had both hands out immediately. I just don't understand how a lot of these cops don't know how to de-escalate. They're just amping themselves up and amping the perp up too as a result. I mean they both have their guns out and pointed, they're in a pretty advantageous position as is.
And there’s many videos showing similar scenarios when it comes to reaching . Like when that guy was asked for his drivers license ,and when he reaches for it the cop shots the crap out of him . I don’t know what the answer is . I guess have your drivers licence and registration in hand when they come to the window?
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My old boss was robbed and raped at gunpoint by home invaders. She's scarred for life but now owns multiple guns and wouldn't hesitate to shoot if necessary.

These types of people are the scum of the earth. It boggles my mind how much some people defend criminals.
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Originally Posted By JesseV87
Well clearly he didn't have a weapon, so it could've been for any stupid reason.

Why not just ask him to leave his other hand in his pocket then? Or ask him to slowly remove it in a more calm manner so that you aren't getting the guy nervous and coercing him into removing his hand too quickly.
Clearly didn't have a weapon after he was shot? Because before it wasn't clear at all.. You don't have time to fuk around in situations like that. Everyone in the US knows put your fuking hands up if a cop tells you to put your hands up.. not one hand, two hands.
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post 1549451081 04-18-2018, 06:12 PM
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Originally Posted By JesseV87
It's true, he should have had both hands out immediately. I just don't understand how a lot of these cops don't know how to de-escalate. They're just amping themselves up and amping the perp up too as a result. I mean they both have their guns out and pointed, they're in a pretty advantageous position as is.
Nah, that was a weird situation. It was an enclosed area and the cop didnt' really have a clear view of the thief's whole body. Dude looked like he was reaching for something the way he had one hand up and the other in that pocket. It could have gone another way, but this is the way it went down. That cop had to make a decision, and the thief shouldn't have made him do that. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
Originally Posted By JesseV87
Well clearly he didn't have a weapon, so it could've been for any stupid reason.

Why not just ask him to leave his other hand in his pocket then? Or ask him to slowly remove it in a more calm manner so that you aren't getting the guy nervous and coercing him into removing his hand too quickly.
Why not just not break into people's houses, then you can be alive to listen to rap music and smoke loud pack with your homies?

Originally Posted By MajorTendonitis
And there’s many videos showing similar scenarios when it comes to reaching . Like when that guy was asked for his drivers license ,and when he reaches for it the cop shots the crap out of him . I don’t know what the answer is . I guess have your drivers licence and registration in hand when they come to the window?
Completely different situtation. That is one of the threads that I got negged for criticizing the officer.
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Completely justified to kill this piece of garbage
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So is it 100% confirmed that this guy was home invading/robbing? Why the hell any political group would hitch their wagons to a POS thief is beyond me...
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that cop is gonna get fired. As fast as that guy could of pulled his hand out of his pocket and shot the cops, still doesnt justify the use of deadly force.
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I wonder if the response would have been different if the homeowner had shot him?

They want no repercussions to anything they do. Are we supposed to let criminals break into our homes now?

It’s like the uncle of those punks who got killed by the homeowner with an AR15 complaining about how it was unfair.


How about you don’t break into people’s houses???
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Looks like a good shoot
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Originally Posted By Mercworx
How about you don’t break into people’s houses???
Close to one of the worst crimes I think there is . I think it should be a death sentence breaking into someone’s home . I couldn’t imagine how horrific it would be when a stranger with bad intentions has broken into your home .

I wasn’t defending this pos , I was merely saying the outcome was not going to end well when he was told to show his hand . Got what he deserved imo
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Anyone who defends this criminal is a lib cuck.
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That guy deserves to die just on account of being too stupid to escape by simply opening the garage door.
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Trayvon, played by Jaden Smith, is shown at school, raising his hand in lit class. The wise Hispanic teacher, played by Antonio Banderas, calls on him. Trayvon stand up and recites lines of Shakespeare in a hip, cool, but moving rap. As he sits down Banderas smiles and nods at him with a wise, knowing approval.

Trayvon is seen hanging out after school on the lush greens of the front school yard with his friends, featuring the girl who played Precious, plus a mix of races: a white blonde girl, a Hispanic kid, an Urkel-looking black nerd, a white kid with his hat on backwards. A veritable Burger King Kids Club.

Cut to a dark apartment, where Zimmerman, played by Luis Guzman, is doing pull-ups, with the words FEAR and HATE inked on his knuckles. He then practices shooting his empty gun at himself in a mirror. "You talking to me?" Guzman says. "You in MY neighborhood?" He then sits down to watch Birth of a Nation.

Cut to Trayvon at home, at the dinner table with his parents, played by Jamie Foxx and Maya Angelou. They discuss Tray's future plans of being an airline pilot. "It's a mighty big responsibility," Jamie Foxx says. "Having all those souls onboard." "I know," Jaden/Tray says. "I want to be like Sully some day though."

After dinner his little brother asks him if he can go get some candy and tea. Even though it's raining out, Tray agrees. In slow-mo he zips up his hoody, pulled from the dryer.

Cut to Zimmerman patrolling the streets as rain pours on his uncovered head. He does tuck-and-rolls across neighbors' lawns, pulling out his gun and pointing it at dark shadows. A cat crosses his path and he fires at it. He chuckles mercilessly.

"Keep the change," Tray says with a smile to the woman working at the convenience store. With the snacks for his brother he walks out of the store, not before passing by a magazine with Sully on the cover. Tray smiles.


Cut to Trayvon skipping down the sidewalk. A group of multicultural young maled is there smoking pot. "You wanna get high?" one asks. "No," Trayvon answers, "then I'll never be able to be a pilot." He continues to skip down the path and eventually enters the condo complex.

As Trayvon turns a corner, a sweaty and enraged Zimmerman emerges from the shadows. "Where do you think you're going, ******?"

Trayvon stumbles on his words and tries to answer but is silenced when Zim cold cocks himself with the gun and starts beating himself on the back of his own head. "Help! Help! Somebody help me!" Zimmerman screams.

"Please sir, I just want to return home to my brother and finish my homework," Trayvon pleads.

"That's too bad," Zimmerman says. He then empties his entire gun cartridge into the baby-faced teen. "It looks like your dog ate it."
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Originally Posted By JesseV87
It's true, he should have had both hands out immediately. I just don't understand how a lot of these cops don't know how to de-escalate. They're just amping themselves up and amping the perp up too as a result. I mean they both have their guns out and pointed, they're in a pretty advantageous position as is.
I agree with you but it's also easy to say you'd stay cool, calm and collected in the situation.

Think about how many cops are ever in that type of situation even one time, let alone multiple times, let alone enough times that you'd feel comfortable.

The answer there is basically none, 99.999% of people in that situation are gonna have so much adrenaline pumping in that moment they're gonna be thinking "kill or be killed".

Personally if I were a police officer I'd look at it like this- I'm gonna kill you before I let you fire off a shot.

You can check my post history in these type of threads, I'm not some 'murica' police sympathizer from around here.

My rational is this- I'll be damned if you're gonna infringe on my quality of life because I was doing my job.

If you let him get off even that one shot obviously there's the chance it kills you, but aside from that say it hits you in the spine and your paralyzed, or in the leg and you walk with a limp for the rest of your life, etc.

Would you want the quality of your life ruined because you decided to "play it safe"?

That's a "no" from me, not trying to risk dying or being ****ed up/invalid for the rest of my life, to spare a criminal.

If in the process of incapacitating you (in the name of preserving my health) I end up killing you, so be it.

At the end of the day the cops aren't being called to scene because you were helping an old lady with her groceries, they're responding to crime and for the sake of their safety they have to assume that person/people aren't concerned with the constraints of right vs. wrong.
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^^^Racist police officer who also cries about how racism doesn't exist, also cries reverse racism and typifies the stupidity of the racist right, referring to black people as "they" and regurgitating racist stereotypes.
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that did look like a grab, it's tough when you've already got your hands in your pockets though - i'm willing to bet that any motion out of your pocket is going to look like you're pulling a gun out to an adrenaline filled cop. looks like there are shades of gray either side, but anyone saying that the cop is racist is probably on the spectrum.

tbh, it seems like the idea that cops hunt black people is well subscribed to, despite how phucking inane it is
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"No justice, no peace, no killer police,”

Ok so they think there was no justice. cool, wrong, but fine.
They think there is no peace. cool, there's no peace when people are robbing people, not their point, but fine.
They believe there are no killer police... ah fack, chant was made up by retards. That isn't what they were going for.
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The cop was justified without a doubt.

The kid took his hand out and then seemed to reach back down for something. He was also in someones house.
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