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Thread: Why are a lot of posters here so incredibly insecure?

post 1553589621 06-11-2018, 01:46 PM
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Originally Posted By TrinnieBuu⏩
Interestingly enough, one of the only proven correlation (not necessarily causation) to lower sperm count is smoking or secondhand smoke during pregnancy. If we assume this suggests causation or partial causation of low sperm count, that means men are essentially born with low sperm count nowadays. So you guys that have wives who smoke, or smoke around your pregnant wife, need to cut that crap or you’re sentencing yourself to having girly sons.
I believe it's a combination of many things from ranging from diet to environment and even social stimuli. If I could secure a grant I could start drawing conclusions one after another and check them off the list. But I don't think the government gives a chit about this. The male endocrine system has been under siege for many years, we are not our fathers anymore.

This is highly anecdotal at best but compare a picture of your dads graduating class to a picture of your own, now pick out the males, now compare and contrast the masculinity. Masculinity is tied to androgens and it is proven that masculine males are more confident/assertive. Confidence may or may not equal insecurity, hard to say but worth investigation.

I will say that smoking was way more common especially among young males up until the 90's (verifyable) when the anti smoking campaign got aggressive. When the male sperm study started more people smoked then did not smoke (estimated 52% of population smoked in 1950). But it's also possible the tobacco companies made major changes to their cigarettes along the way and new additives had a negative effect on developing male endocrine systems.

Source for % of smokers in 50s
https://profiles.nlm.nih.gov/ps/access/nnbcph.pdf
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Originally Posted By AK5426⏩
Honestly this a theory I've had for a while now that women are becoming more masculine and men are becoming more feminine. Some of it doesn't even have to do with sperm and test either just the way men and women carry themselves and their mannerisms for examples dudes who gossip and hold grudges like school girls.
I can't comment on female endocrine trends, i'd say no they aren't hormonally any more "male" then they used to be or we would see stark contrasts in breast sizes, body hair and other physical traits since females will display physical male traits at low thresholds. It's possible what you are observing is a psychosocial issue rather then a physical one; IF forced to guess i would say a weakness in role models/leadership during childhood, but I have no data to back this up. Take this with a grain of salt.
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Originally Posted By DirtyDon123⏩
What are you insecure about? Looks and other typical female stuff?
About not being normal mainly. I think im weird.
About being a failure in life too


Looks is on the list too but further down..i consider myself a butterface and i wish i was more feminine too
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Because it's the "in thing" to do. As we're all aware, 90% of the misc follows what everyone else does because they're sheep.
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Originally Posted By Rabbitjb⏩
You have a pretty face, even with that fukked up lip

In b4 miscer cope
True no wk

Plus if you do feel like a failure, which I'm sure you're not, it's never too late to do something new or develop yourself even if it's just for personal development.
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Originally Posted By DirtyDon123⏩
True no wk

Plus if you do feel like a failure, which I'm sure you're not, it's never too late to do something new or develop yourself even if it's just for personal development.
Well that's why i lift. Ive got good PL genetics and im dedicated so i get good numbers and i win stuff sometimes.
So that gives me a good feeling of success and self respect, and its something i can do that helps my bipolar and not trigger it
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Originally Posted By LukeS1⏩
Its more adverse selection that insecure people find the misc rather than the misc makes them insecure
Right, so the answer is selection bias.

Although I will admit the question was very unfair due to multiple valid interpretations. I'm kinda glad though because it's led to a discussion on the root causes of insecurity.
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Originally Posted By StinkholePatrol⏩
I believe it's a combination of many things from ranging from diet to environment and even social stimuli. If I could secure a grant I could start drawing conclusions one after another and check them off the list. But I don't think the government gives a chit about this. The male endocrine system has been under siege for many years, we are not our fathers anymore.

This is highly anecdotal at best but compare a picture of your dads graduating class to a picture of your own, now pick out the males, now compare and contrast the masculinity. Masculinity is tied to androgens and it is proven that masculine males are more confident/assertive. Confidence may or may not equal insecurity, hard to say but worth investigation.

I will say that smoking was way more common especially among young males up until the 90's (verifyable) when the anti smoking campaign got aggressive. When the male sperm study started more people smoked then did not smoke (estimated 52% of population smoked in 1950). But it's also possible the tobacco companies made major changes to their cigarettes along the way and new additives had a negative effect on developing male endocrine systems.

Source for % of smokers in 50s
https://profiles.nlm.nih.gov/ps/access/nnbcph.pdf
I agree with you that smoking was more prevalent in the 50s, 60s, and leveled out in the 70s. But impact on sperm count would also be delayed by almost a whole generation as studies on sperm count cannot be done until the children born to smoking mothers in the 50s reach adulthood (starting in the 70s). The delay in observable impact lines up with he sperm count studies. The men studied in 1950 would have been born before 1930 etc, where cigars were much more prevalent.

Here is one of the dozen of studies done on prenatal smoking and the resulting low sperm count in their sons. They’re all retrospectively conducted though so take it at face value. If you look at related studies, there are a few more on nih alone.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/12859027/
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I already know the primary factor, will rep correct answers. You can only list 1 factor.
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Originally Posted By melDorado⏩
Well that's why i lift. Ive got good PL genetics and im dedicated so i get good numbers and i win stuff sometimes.
So that gives me a good feeling of success and self respect, and its something i can do that helps my bipolar and not trigger it
You do have strong lifts that the majority of female lifters would be jelly of, was mirin some of your vids.

Bipolar sounds like it sucks but manageable, unlike the dreaded BPD
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Originally Posted By Rabbitjb⏩
Remind me what BPD stands for?
Borderline Personality Disorder
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Originally Posted By Rabbitjb⏩
Remind me what BPD stands for?
Borderline Personality Disorder

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Originally Posted By DirtyDon123⏩
You do have strong lifts that the majority of female lifters would be jelly of, was mirin some of your vids.

Bipolar sounds like it sucks but manageable, unlike the dreaded BPD
The mood stabiliers really work so its manageable yeh. A lot of bipolar people don't take their meds but im grateful for mine. Ive had enough crazy chit in my life its not worth it just to feel like kanye west occasionally.

Cheers for mirin my lifts
Cant wait til i post my 4 plate pull wahey
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Because they’ve been born into a generation where it’s not okay to be male.

Female traits are praised in babies, toddlers, school age students and general society.

Male traits are not. They are demonised as “temper issues”, “disruptive”, “immature”, “anti-social”.

On top of that you have the disintegration of society as a whole with the rise of technology replacing actual social interaction and helicopter parenting taking away opportunities for kids to take risks and grow, away from their parents watchful eyes, but typical male risk taking is viewed as some sort of degeneracy anyway.

So, with no real social peers to bond with, and being largely outcast from society unless they conform to unnatural, feminine, norms, we get the typical miscer, immature, insecure, and latching onto any form of male bonding they can, no matter how toxic it becomes.
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Originally Posted By LukeS1⏩
Its more adverse selection that insecure people find the misc rather than the misc makes them insecure, so the reasons vary

The biggest cause though is an unhealthy habbit of comparing oneself to others
This misc actually awares me on stuff to be insecure about lmao srs... Tons of things I never even thought about before until I misc'd. Like height never mattered to me at all and I even played basketball in high school. I would literally never care how tall someone was and how tall I was in comparison. Definitely never thought about sh!t like jawlines either.
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Originally Posted By melDorado⏩
The mood stabiliers really work so its manageable yeh. A lot of bipolar people don't take their meds but im grateful for mine. Ive had enough crazy chit in my life its not worth it just to feel like kanye west occasionally.

Cheers for mirin my lifts
Cant wait til i post my 4 plate pull wahey
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Inb4 WADA bans Bipolar as a performance enhancer
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Originally Posted By Amleben⏩
They spend too much time alone
Agree.
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Originally Posted By TrinnieBuu⏩
I agree with you that smoking was more prevalent in the 50s, 60s, and leveled out in the 70s. But impact on sperm count would also be delayed by almost a whole generation as studies on sperm count cannot be done until the children born to smoking mothers in the 50s reach adulthood (starting in the 70s). The delay in observable impact lines up with he sperm count studies. The men studied in 1950 would have been born before 1930 etc, where cigars were much more prevalent.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/12859027/
That is a good point about the generational delay, this is disturbing because smoking has been shown to increase natural testosterone in adult males, and natural testosterone has been shown to be directly linked with sperm counts.

I also agree that cigarettes are far more toxic then other traditional smoking methods such as cigars or pipes. The companies add so much chit to those cigarettes, it's not even the same plant anymore.

This could be one of the causes, if they had taken blood from the subjects one would guess that the lower sperm subjects also would have lower T. But i'm convinced there are many different factors playing together here, smoking rates have gone down most years(not all) for decades and T levels have never been lower for young men.

Honestly alot of scholars speculate on diet/water supply being the biggest issues but I think environmental is high up on the list too: Our conflict adverse western society where everyone always wins and our reliance on technology to avoid "real life". This isn't what nature intended for man, nature also didn't intend for us to eat crispy cream donuts everyday, drink excessive ammounts of flouride or take a bunch of drugs(often prescribed) and smoke toxic chemicals.

So many potential causes: western man is probably doomed at this point, we will slowly castrate ourselves over the next 200 years and move towards a matriarchal society until we are conquered by a more dominant society perhaps from the east. This is written in history and will repeat itself with us.
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Srsly though maybe more insecure people should lift as it definitely gives self confidence...to be fit and strong if nothing else feels good.
Originally Posted By DirtyDon123⏩
4 plates?? Das it mane, get it done
Inb4 WADA bans Bipolar as a performance enhancer
If i ever get tested im banned anyway for that performance enhancer i use to improve my sleep and appetite nomsayin..

Idgaf ill just go non tested fed
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Originally Posted By BostonRockets⏩
This misc actually awares me on stuff to be insecure about lmao srs... Tons of things I never even thought about before until I misc'd. Like height never mattered to me at all and I even played basketball in high school. I would literally never care how tall someone was and how tall I was in comparison. Definitely never thought about sh!t like jawlines either.
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Lack of life experience.

I defy anyone to find an insecure 75-year old. By that age, nobody gives a fuark what other people think about them... they're just waiting to die.
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