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post 1553792641 06-14-2018, 02:59 AM
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Originally Posted By jackm7⏩
This. Smallest jump you can make with db's is 10lbs, way too much once you start getting strong
There are so many ways you can substitute weight with.
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go ahead and pick up 300# or more and get into position. Let me know how your back feels after the 10th set. That isn't even the main problem. Its spending all that energy to get ready to push. That's less energy you could be using pressing.

At some point in ones progress, dumbell bench press gets dropped off in favor of barbell.
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Originally Posted By Deathguard⏩
go ahead and pick up 300# or more and get into position. Let me know how your back feels after the 10th set. That isn't even the main problem. Its spending all that energy to get ready to push. That's less energy you could be using pressing.

At some point in ones progress, dumbell bench press gets dropped off in favor of barbell.
You'll mark the point of return when your shoulders are used up, injured, or you're getting older.

If you're in it for life, stick to dumbbells.
There are so many possibilities to trigger growth without heavy weights. That's what most professinal bodybuilders do. They could lift way heavier but they prefer to choose other methods so they don't **** up their body.
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95 posts, read zero of them. Just do both, lift often and stfu.

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I like both for strength gains, but dumbbell press feels much better on my shoulders. In an ideal world, I'd do both, but increasingly I'm doing more DB press and only BB pressing for a set or two a week. Any more BB volume and I start having to work around injuries. DB press, on the other hand, I can add as much volume as I want.
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post 1553794621 06-14-2018, 04:20 AM
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Originally Posted By Joseph1990⏩
I imagine one can "load" more weight onto a bar and press then the combination of 2 heavy DB's although I don't agree that means more load on the pec muscles specifically. When performing the barbell bench, secondary movers are more heavily recruited to bear the increased load. Correct me if I'm mistaken.
I did by virtue of the post you refuted.

All exercises share one thing in common. If you do them improperly based on your goal, then they're going to be less effective. The problem is that you, and many others, don't understand the nuances. You're comparing a powerlifting style bench press aimed at moving the most weight to a purely hypertrophy based exercise. Seems rather obvious why you claim one is better than the other. Like I said previously, you're not experienced enough to understand why you're wrong

FWIW, I do both and my chest is fuking massive. Probably my best body part. Hit 405x10 on wide grip bench earlier this week.
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Originally Posted By Joseph1990⏩
@190lbs no lifting for over a year, 1 week of 50% lifting "getting back into it" and the next week I could do 110's. Sorry boyo some of us aren't made of sugar and melt in the rain. I was doing 120's for 5 @ 180 during this cut. I feel weak af only pressing 110 x 5..
Still not buying it. Sounds like some internet talk. If it is true then you Should be a world class powerlifter in the near future. I could see it happening with great atrengt genetics and tech.
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Originally Posted By arn710⏩
FWIW, I do both and my chest is fuking massive. Probably my best body part. Hit 405x10 on wide grip bench earlier this week.
wait wut
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Haven't done bench in years and my chest has never been bigger.
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db's being safer is a complete meme
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Originally Posted By JamesA1990⏩
wait wut


No I don't have a video and I don't care who believes me
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post 1553811481 06-14-2018, 09:38 AM
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Why not both? I'll switch around every few weeks just to break the cycle.
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Originally Posted By arn710⏩
I did by virtue of the post you refuted.

All exercises share one thing in common. If you do them improperly based on your goal, then they're going to be less effective. The problem is that you, and many others, don't understand the nuances. You're comparing a powerlifting style bench press aimed at moving the most weight to a purely hypertrophy based exercise. Seems rather obvious why you claim one is better than the other. Like I said previously, you're not experienced enough to understand why you're wrong

FWIW, I do both and my chest is fuking massive. Probably my best body part. Hit 405x10 on wide grip bench earlier this week.
I agree you can't necessarily compare the 2 apples to apples but that's not necessarily the point. My stance is overall the BB bench is inferior to the DB press. #1 reason being longevity as I put this at the top of the hierarchy of my training goals. My goals and the next persons may not align.

Who's chest is bigger doesn't matter. Anecdotal evidence is just that. Due to injury and lifestyle I have been unable to train consistently for any noteworthy period of time for the better part of the last 6 years. I sure hope my size and strength is not comparable to those of you who have been training. I don't believe what's best for me is what's best for you, use "lifting straps" or don't it's your body, I do find it laughable you would compare your strength to someone that doesn't use them. If you don't and you have a 405x10 then all the more impressive.

When I used to bench, I benched powerlifting style and made it to a 345 for a double from a 305 in just one month of benching 3x per week + babyslayer style bloatmaxing. I know how to bench. At that time I was DB pressing 145's for 3. You can keep saying I'm "inexperienced" and don't understand "nuances" or you can explain what makes doing the BB bench worthwhile. I imagine all you have to say at this point is overall load to the CNS is slightly greater via BB vs DB therefore it is worth the tenfold ( I don't mean literally 10x, I don't actually know the exact multiplyer according to the data it sounds smooth to say "tenfold") risk of injury to do the BB bench over DB press.
Originally Posted By RonaldMcflurry⏩
Still not buying it. Sounds like some internet talk. If it is true then you Should be a world class powerlifter in the near future. I could see it happening with great atrengt genetics and tech.
I'm not letting you inflate my ego, plenty of us here are actually strong and know that what I claimed here is nothing special for an advanced lifter.
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post 1553814711 06-14-2018, 10:11 AM
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I've actually hurt myself with DB Press never with a BB Press. Smashed my hand dropping it down. You should definitely do both IMO.
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Originally Posted By Joseph1990⏩
I agree you can't necessarily compare the 2 apples to apples but that's not necessarily the point. My stance is overall the BB bench is inferior to the DB press.

Who's chest is bigger doesn't matter. Anecdotal evidence is just that. Due to injury and lifestyle I have been unable to train consistently for any noteworthy period of time for the better part of the last 6 years. I sure hope my size and strength is not comparable to those of you who have been training. I don't believe what's best for me is what's best for you, use "lifting straps" or don't it's your body, I do find it laughable you would compare your strength to someone that doesn't use them. If you don't and you have a 405x10 then all the more impressive.

When I used to bench, I benched powerlifting style and made it to a 345 for a double from a 305 in just one month of benching 3x per week + babyslayer style bloatmaxing. I know how to bench. At that time I was DB pressing 145's for 3. You can keep saying I'm "inexperienced" and don't understand "nuances" or you can explain what makes doing the BB bench worthwhile. I imagine all you have to say at this point is overall load to the CNS is slightly greater via BB vs DB therefore it is worth the tenfold risk of injury to do the BB bench over DB press.
You've overlooked the entirety of my post to tell me that anecdotes don't matter much when that's the only thing you've provided in this thread. Solid

I've already given you the advantage of barbell movements. You immediately disregarded it. Whether it was arrogance or ignorance is irrelevant I suppose
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Originally Posted By arn710⏩
You've overlooked the entirety of my post to tell me that anecdotes don't matter much when that's the only thing you've provided in this thread. Solid

I've already given youthe advantageof barbell movements. You immediately disregarded it. Whether it was arrogance or ignorance is irrelevant I suppose
lol ok guy. Keep dodging all day long. Just be stubborn and refuse to just site where you said it. You're too good to simply quote or repeat yourself. Go ahead and go full old man mode and make me sift through the thread looking for this golden nugget of wisdom you apparently dropped.

Singular, one advantage. How much benefit overall does this "single" advantage give to warrant all the disadvantage namely increased risk of injury? Keep saying I ignored it when I acknowledged and refuted it politely asking if you could correct me if I was wrong in my refute.
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Originally Posted By Joseph1990⏩
I'm not letting you inflate my ego, plenty of us here are actually strong and know that what I claimed here is nothing special for an advanced lifter.
Wrong. If you are capable lf what you say, then you are in the top 10% of men genetics and strengthwise. Don't get on here and act like a 180lb lifter can jump in the game and throw up 110lb dumbells. There are lifters here who have been going for a few years and can't put up 225 bb for reps. With tech, that all changes tho....
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Originally Posted By Joseph1990⏩
Who's chest is bigger doesn't matter. Anecdotal evidence is just that. Due to injury and lifestyle I have been unable to train consistently for any noteworthy period of time for the better part of the last 6 years. I sure hope my size and strength is not comparable to those of you who have been training. I don't believe what's best for me is what's best for you, use "lifting straps" or don't it's your body, I do find it laughable you would compare your strength to someone that doesn't use them. If you don't and you have a 405x10 then all the more impressive.

When I used to bench, I benched powerlifting style and made it to a 345 for a double from a 305 in just one month of benching 3x per week + babyslayer style bloatmaxing. I know how to bench. At that time I was DB pressing 145's for 3. You can keep saying I'm "inexperienced" and don't understand "nuances" or you can explain what makes doing the BB bench worthwhile. I imagine all you have to say at this point is overall load to the CNS is slightly greater via BB vs DB therefore it is worth the tenfold ( I don't mean literally 10x, I don't actually know the exact multiplyer according to the data it sounds smooth to say "tenfold") risk of injury to do the BB bench over DB press.
Wait...did you just completely dismiss his point as anecdotal and then back it with your very own anecdotal evidence? LOL

OP, I hit a bench PR of 374x3 paused this AM and just pressed 140's for 8...just do both and stop getting hurt...whatever you're doing to create it.
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post 1553815561 06-14-2018, 10:24 AM
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Originally Posted By bobbydigitaloa⏩
OP, I hit a bench PR of 374x3 paused this AM and just pressed 140's for 8...just do both and stop getting hurt...whatever you're doing to create it.
At the rate OP is going, he will be pressing 140s for 8 in a few months. Strange that you look a lot bigger than him. How long have you been lifting, Bobby?
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Originally Posted By bobbydigitaloa⏩
Wait...did you just completely dismiss his point as anecdotal and then back it with your very own anecdotal evidence? LOL
Wait are you both going to strawman me all day long and waste hours of my time putting out your little strawman fires? LOL!
Originally Posted By bobbydigitaloa⏩
OP, I hit a bench PR of 374x3 paused this AM and just pressed 140's for 8...just do both and stop getting hurt...whatever you're doing to create it.
I imagine I hurt myself due to benching near max 3x per week for 4 weeks straight. Injury that prevented me from lifting namely pressing movements went undiagnosed for a decade or more. A miscer "fapdrol" actually figured out what I had after Dr's failed to. You're strong bobby we all know this, but let's not compare orange juice to water.
Originally Posted By RonaldMcflurry⏩
At the rate OP is going, he will be pressing 140s for 8 in a few months. Strange that you look a lot bigger than him. How long have you been lifting, Bobby?
At the rate I'm going??? I'm in a calorie deficit, I mentioned I'm down to 110's from 120's. How do you figure I'll be stronger in the near future? Strong as your lifts is your reading comprehension. I'm just going to ignore you along with any other sideline numales that are aren't contributing to the discussion.
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Originally Posted By RonaldMcflurry⏩
At the rate OP is going, he will be pressing 140s for 8 in a few months. Strange that you look a lot bigger than him. How long have you been lifting, Bobby?
I mean it's taken me 6 years of strength training to get to these numbers but I was drinking heavily in the early years and did mainly bodybuilding, boot camp style and even 20k running chit for 16 years prior. Maybe OP has something figured out that we don't...
Originally Posted By Joseph1990⏩
I imagine I hurt myself due to benching near max 3x per week for 4 weeks straight. Injury that prevented me from lifting namely pressing movements went undiagnosed for a decade or more. A miscer "fapdrol" actually figured out what I had after Dr's failed to. You're strong bobby we all know this, but let's not compareorange juiceto water.
Don't be a passive aggressive goose by trying to discredit someone's strength by claiming it's drugs with this chit...
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Originally Posted By kusok⏩
lmao
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Originally Posted By SeymourGains⏩
Do you have a pic of your chest? No homo and not calling you out, just interested to see what a chest looks like on someone who benches that much
Go to his IG...he's fukin jacked.
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Originally Posted By Joseph1990⏩
lol ok guy. Keep dodging all day long. Just be stubborn and refuse to just site where you said it. You're too good to simply quote or repeat yourself. Go ahead and go full old man mode and make me sift through the thread looking for this golden nugget of wisdom you apparently dropped.

Singular, one advantage. How much benefit overall does this "single" advantage give to warrant all the disadvantage namely increased risk of injury? Keep saying I ignored it when I acknowledged and refuted it politely asking if you could correct me if I was wrong in my refute.
I'm not dodging you. I told you the advantage of barbell movements is total load. You said that's only load on the "stabilizers". That's wrong. You asked me to correct you and I did. I'm not sure what else you want from me

Your claim that DBs are safer is inherently false
Originally Posted By Joseph1990⏩
Wait are you both going to strawman me all day long and waste hours of my time putting out your little strawman fires? LOL!
You did exactly that though. How you can possibly justify calling me out for providing anecdotes when you've done nothing but is beyond me
Originally Posted By SeymourGains⏩
Do you have a pic of your chest? No homo and not calling you out, just interested to see what a chest looks like on someone who benches that much
Insta @anetemeyer
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Originally Posted By arn710⏩
Insta @anetemeyer
Checks out. This guy is legitimately big as fukk.
Take it easy Christian
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Originally Posted By bobbydigitaloa⏩
Don't be a passive aggressive goose by trying to discredit someone's strength by claiming it's drugs with this chit...
ugh... Are your feelings hurt because I ment exactly what I said, nothing more or less. There is no "passive aggressive discrediting" going on in that quote.
Originally Posted By Joseph1990⏩
I don't believe what's best for me is what's best for you, use "lifting straps" or don't it's your body
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Originally Posted By arn710⏩
How you can possibly justify calling me out for providing anecdotes when you've done nothing but is beyond me
I'm not sure where I have provided anecdotes as counterpoints to the discussion. If I provided them it was for other miscers asking for pics or what have you. I put a grain of lithium on my personal experience alone as evidence here. Just because I injured myself on the BB bench doesn't mean everyone will.
Originally Posted By arn710⏩
I'm not dodging you. I told you the advantage of barbell movements is total load. You said that's only load on the "stabilizers". That's wrong.
What I was trying to say specifically is that the extra load,

In my specific case for example (50lbs give or take, 345 - 290) 145lb DB x 3 to 345lb BB x 2

The extra 50lbs of total weight =/= 50lbs load added to the pec alone, it is split between other muscles, most notably the lats.
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Originally Posted By Joseph1990⏩
What I was trying to say specifically is that the extra load,

In my specific case for example (50lbs give or take, 345 - 290) 145lb DB x 3 to 345lb BB x 2

The extra 50lbs of total weight =/= 50lbs load added to the pec alone, it is split between other muscles, most notably the lats.
this is just ridiculous.
you should read this
https://forum.obnoxiousbrutes.com/showthread.php?t=179438063

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