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post 1555481351 07-05-2018, 11:05 AM
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Originally Posted By GolfPants⏩
Fuk this chit. One of the most horrifying things I've seen on the misc.

I wonder if they tried to wrap the rope around the rescuer's legs and have him hold/pull the guy's legs. Seems like that would have fixed the angle problem but I'm not sure if it's doable.
It would have broke his legs and pelvis or something along those lines. So pretty much tore him apart trying to get him out.

Reading how he got stuck gives me anxiety.

John picked a waist-high hole to explore. He wore a rainbow-colored, 1970s-style caving headlamp his father had bought for the family trips of his childhood. John went in headfirst, pushing himself along with his hips, his stomach, his fingers. Other cavers exploring this hole had found that only the nimblest of contortionists could navigate its tight corkscrew of rock.

John found no place big enough to turn his body around and leave the tunnel.
So he kept going , likely thinking he was in the Canal. When he saw a fissure that dropped nearly straight down in front of him, it may have appeared to widen out at the bottom, giving him a spot to turn around.
Rescuers believe John sucked in his chest to investigate the fissure, sliding his torso over a lip of rock and down into the 10-inch-wide side of the crevice. But when his chest expanded again, he was stuck. Struggling to free himself only made John slide deeper into the narrower, 8 1/2-inch-wide side of the fissure.
One arm was pinned underneath him , the other forced backward by an outcropping of rock. The rainbow headlamp bounced off.
Instead of widening so John could get out, the crack narrowed and all but closed.

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Judging by the responses ITT, it appears we should have a team of miscers over there to devise a plan instead of highly trained individuals who have spent decades doing it.
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Originally Posted By JUGGERNAUT1333⏩
Judging by the responses ITT, it appears we should have a team of miscers over there to devise a plan instead of highly trained individuals who have spent decades doing it.
lol, this
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Not cool

If even one of them dies Im sad
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Originally Posted By KingSWRV⏩
what is the deal with that passage hole near the front where it doesnt “fit with an air tank."

brb a 6‘2 British grown adult can fit but a 12 year old asian boy cant adjust some angle to make it work....

the sections in the cabe have water and land segments so there are places for breaks too. each upcoming scenario can recharge air and change gear.

I mean its 2018 we have the technology to do all kinds of things maybe a couple 50 yr old hermits aren't the best leaders for this. im sure theres other "intelligence" around but I dont trust then either.



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Brb 12 year old future ladyboy who can’t swim
Brb making them swim underwater for two miles in pitch black water w/o freaking out bc can’t swim and not dying.
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I put my electronics in rice when they get wet, couldnt they dump a bunch of tice so it absorbs the water? Or a bunch of towels?
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Originally Posted By WestAfrica⏩
Brb Navy trained British Seal
Brb 12 year old future ladyboy who can’t swim
Brb making them swim underwater for two miles in pitch black water w/o freaking out bc can’t swim and not dying.
at no point did any of that sound potentially fatal.

these guys are acting like their souls will just give up the ghost once they go underwater for a few feet

its borderline a form of superiority complex

human beings can live through some crazy crazy stuff, we evolved to be highly survivable. the multiple segments have breaks so there will be changes and variety where they can stop and communicate and give pep talks.

its like a long 2 hour hike with breaks that lead to you going home. im sure they can handle it and want to do it.they are good kids man...
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Originally Posted By JUGGERNAUT1333⏩
Judging by the responses ITT, it appears we should have a team of miscers over there to devise a plan instead of highly trained individuals who have spent decades doing it.
Fukkin lost it.
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Originally Posted By WestAfrica⏩
Brb Navy trained British Seal
Brb 12 year old future ladyboy who can’t swim
Brb making them swim underwater for two miles in pitch black water w/o freaking out bc can’t swim and not dying.
so much this... clearly no one here has ever swam/dove/snorkled in murky water...let alone in darkness. You cant see 1 foot in front of your face even with a headlamp. Not only that, try doing it in a pitch black cave diving through jagged rocks.

not for nothing, every commercial diver i have ever met (construction) is in some way shape or form certifiably crazy. Like insane. Crazy mfers, every single one. Takes a special person to do it.
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build a coffer dam around the mouth of the cave and pump the water out.
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Originally Posted By GM54⏩
so much this... clearly no one here has ever swam/dove/snorkled in murky water...let alone in darkness. You cant see 1 foot in front of your face even with a headlamp. Not only that, try doing it in a pitch black cave diving through jagged rocks.

not for nothing, every commercial diver i have ever met (construction) is in some way shape or form certifiably crazy. Like insane. Crazy mfers, every single one. Takes a special person to do it.
that... doesnt have anything to do with the extraction LOL

those kids dont have to see chit its just being navigated around by the seals who speak their language. probably gonna segment each section into the most simple instructions.

its not like we are assessing the danger in the casual sense of something you would do on your own. none of this is particularly safe but none of it is particularly fatal.

they are probably eating better now than they usually do lul the big threat was hunger and nourishment

once they get the energy they will make it. each one will meekly go one by one and all this talk about them being retards who “cant swim” will be silly
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Originally Posted By thecpthree⏩
read the bottom right corner of the photo
I interpreted that bit as referring to lifting him directly with the rope as shown in the picture. I was thinking that if the rope was instead around that rescuer's legs and he tethers his arms to the guys legs or something, the person on the other side could pull them both out. But maybe that's too much weight or it still wouldn't work.
Originally Posted By eltoro24⏩
It would have broke his legs and pelvis or something along those lines. So pretty much tore him apart trying to get him out.

Reading how he got stuck gives me anxiety.

John picked a waist-high hole to explore. He wore a rainbow-colored, 1970s-style caving headlamp his father had bought for the family trips of his childhood. John went in headfirst, pushing himself along with his hips, his stomach, his fingers. Other cavers exploring this hole had found that only the nimblest of contortionists could navigate its tight corkscrew of rock.

John found no place big enough to turn his body around and leave the tunnel.
So he kept going , likely thinking he was in the Canal. When he saw a fissure that dropped nearly straight down in front of him, it may have appeared to widen out at the bottom, giving him a spot to turn around.
Rescuers believe John sucked in his chest to investigate the fissure, sliding his torso over a lip of rock and down into the 10-inch-wide side of the crevice. But when his chest expanded again, he was stuck. Struggling to free himself only made John slide deeper into the narrower, 8 1/2-inch-wide side of the fissure.
One arm was pinned underneath him , the other forced backward by an outcropping of rock. The rainbow headlamp bounced off.
Instead of widening so John could get out, the crack narrowed and all but closed.

Cliffs - fuk that
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Originally Posted By Griggz⏩
IN


but srsly, read an article about that... I started hyperventilating reading half way through... fuark
Originally Posted By GM54⏩
so much this... clearly no one here has ever swam/dove/snorkled in murky water...let alone in darkness. You cant see 1 foot in front of your face even with a headlamp. Not only that, try doing it in a pitch black cave diving through jagged rocks.

not for nothing, every commercial diver i have ever met (construction) is in some way shape or form certifiably crazy. Like insane. Crazy mfers, every single one. Takes a special person to do it.
lol reminds me of when my buddy and I got our PADI certification when we were teens. We're in Hawaii, and we went out on this cool dive. There were a lot of people who weren't that great/not interested in really pushing themselves. Our guide/instructor was a former SEAL, and you could tell he spent too much time with his tank lol. After a quick dive he comes to my buddy and me and asks if we want to see something really cool (not his dink). we say OFC. We got to go through these old lava tubes, where it was small to the point of having to brace and guide yourself along the surfaces, and time the current to avoid your tank hitting/getting punctured just above you. It would be scary dark but then you would see these beautiful rays of light coming through cracks every so often to help guide you. It was amazing, but nerve racking as hell.
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Originally Posted By menseks⏩
i'm all for doing cool things, but fukk spelunking.


https://i.imgur.com/cxEkp1O.jpg
This

Man I’ve done some stupid idiotic stuff in my life. But you ain’t catching me climbing in a cave. The fuk people think they’re gonna find down there?
There is no they…
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Originally Posted By GolfPants⏩
I interpreted that bit as referring to lifting him directly with the rope as shown in the picture. I was thinking that if the rope was instead around that rescuer's legs and he tethers his arms to the guys legs or something, the person on the other side could pull them both out. But maybe that's too much weight or it still wouldn't work.



If I was in that position and they said I am stuck there until I die, I'd let them just blow me the fuk up.
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Originally Posted By EoR⏩
If I was in that position and they said I am stuck there until I die, I'd let them just blow me the fuk up with.
I cant handle the position of the grey body. I look at the black body and its like ok they might pull him out, but the grey one just gives me anxiety
Originally Posted By Travis99⏩
This

Man I’ve done some stupid idiotic stuff in my life. But you ain’t catching me climbing in a cave. The fuk people think they’re gonna find down there?
overly sober lifestyles can lead to fatal pursuits too lol
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They couldnt rescue John Jones?
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Originally Posted By Prose⏩
They couldnt rescue John Jones?
they almost did. but then the line snapped and he fell even deeper..deep into the grey zone body area.

imagine that.

his condition quickly deteriorated after that and then RIP--all because the pulley broke

can you believe that? hope the guy who drilled in that pulley looked his wife in the eyes and apologized after that
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Originally Posted By JUGGERNAUT1333⏩
Judging by the responses ITT, it appears we should have a team of miscers over there to devise a plan instead of highly trained individuals who have spent decades doing it.
inb4 all the miscers drown attempting rescue while the kids stay safe by staying put for 3 months
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Originally Posted By Travis99⏩
This

Man I’ve done some stupid idiotic stuff in my life. But you ain’t catching me climbing in a cave. The fuk people think they’re gonna find down there?
Did they pull his body out, or did they just leave it there when they poured concrete in to seal up the passage? What an awful, lonely final resting place.
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Originally Posted By KingSWRV⏩
they almost did. but then the line snapped and he fell even deeper..deep into the grey zone body area.

imagine that.

his condition quickly deteriorated after that and then RIP--all because the pulley broke

can you believe that? hope the guy who drilled in that pulley looked his wife in the eyes and apologized after that
It doesn't sound at all like they "almost" saved him. They got him freed up enough to get him an IV, but when there actually was movement, it was millimeters at a time. Also, rescuers believe it was the integrity of the rock that failed in the pulley rig, nothing that was caused by anyone's rigging efforts.
Originally Posted By MiscInformed⏩
Did they pull his body out, or did they just leave it there when they poured concrete in to seal up the passage? What an awful, lonely final resting place.
left him there, basically it is his tomb.
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Originally Posted By MiscInformed⏩
Did they pull his body out, or did they just leave it there when they poured concrete in to seal up the passage? What an awful, lonely final resting place.
left it still there to this day in the concrete and area sealed off permanently
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Originally Posted By KingSWRV⏩
they almost did. but then the line snapped and he fell even deeper..deep into the grey zone body area.

imagine that.

his condition quickly deteriorated after that and then RIP--all because the pulley broke

can you believe that? hope the guy who drilled in that pulley looked his wife in the eyes and apologized after that
Still was the idiots fault for getting there. thatslifeson.jpeg
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Originally Posted By TrancE_AddicT⏩
Still was the idiots fault for getting there. thatslifeson.jpeg
I blame the cave for being so alluring --with all those holes...
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how did the kids get in that deep if on the picture it says that some areas are too tight to fit with an oxygen tank? surely they didn't crawl through that tight spot right?

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Originally Posted By KingSWRV⏩
I cant handle the position of the grey body. I look at the black body and its like ok they might pull him out, but the grey one just gives me anxiety


overly sober lifestyles can lead to fatal pursuits too lol
Yah you also have to take note, the head cave rescuer Suzie who would be the farthest person beside John was 5’3 100lbs.

While Jon was 6foot 200lbs.

There is a good movie about it.
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While this is a much more drastic situation, imagine the kids in thailand seeing something similar, where water is rapidly rushing in from the area you came from...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EcP3o8RO_wM

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Originally Posted By wincel⏩
They should have followed the sign, but if you think that implies they have extraordinarily impaired levels of risk assessment, I would argue it's about on par with having oral sex in a university lab. People, like you, do similarly stupid chit all the time. Instead of being a dick about it, you could just show some compassion for the situation and leave it at that. I've noticed a common trend where the most outwardly "PMA" people are also the most caustic.
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how cool would it be if this group of kids won the Thailand Soccer championships next year and credit that the bonding they had in the cave made them stronger together lul
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Originally Posted By bobthebuilder7⏩
I put my electronics in rice when they get wet, couldnt they dump a bunch of tice so it absorbs the water? Or a bunch of towels?
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