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post 1560514181 09-05-2018, 09:10 AM
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Originally Posted By PeaceWithin
Mary, Mother of Jesus
Jesus was a greatman, she deserves to be in history for giving birth to him.
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What about Rosa Parks? She came from nothing, was prominent in her community and is known for inciting change with peaceful protest for the injustice of her race. She wasn't known bc of her husband, she was seen as the strongest person able to send the strongest message for that time.
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Originally Posted By nickboy333
Women are as capable of men at creating things. In fact women are more educated than men in the USA today, and increasingly reach higher levels in the corporates/high level jobs. All due to better ability to work in offices/sedentary type jobs. Women fit better than men in the modern society. Men are ideal in situations of war or physical situations.

The problem back in the day is that women were banned from education, voting, and most scholarly professions. But that doesnt mean they have less ability.

You will see that as the world goes on a major trend is better qualified and paid women than men. In Europe I see more successful women than men, and in dating its creating many annoying situations where a woman earns more than her man.

Again, I heavily disagree and dislike where this will take society, but I just want to point out your huge error/fallacy in believing men are smarter than women.
Men are smarter than women. Men are also dumber then women. We have a more extreme range in IQ where women are more in the middle.

Thats why the majority of geniuses and incredible human beings are men. This is not a slight on women its just the way it is, you need to be the top 1% of the top 1% and women are incredibly scare at those intellectual levels. Its not a matter of “education”

Its just like saying men are faster than Women. Women could train 10 times more and 10 times harder than men but at that top 1% of 1% it will always only be men.
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Originally Posted By hai2dehfolks
What about Rosa Parks? She came from nothing, was prominent in her community and is known for inciting change with peaceful protest for the injustice of her race. She wasn't known bc of her husband, she was seen as the strongest person able to send the strongest message for that time.
this, she was the original ****n kaepernick
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Originally Posted By hai2dehfolks
What about Rosa Parks? She came from nothing, was prominent in her community and is known for inciting change with peaceful protest for the injustice of her race. She wasn't known bc of her husband, she was seen as the strongest person able to send the strongest message for that time.
Such a joke, comparing refusing to give up a seat on a bus to defeating the British Empire in war or inventing the nuclear bomb.

Really?

This is the best you can come up with?
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Originally Posted By StinkholePatrol
Such a joke, comparing refusing to give up a seat on a bus to defeating the British Empire in war or inventing the nuclear bomb.

Really?

This is the best you can come up with?
so only science and war can change and influence society?
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post 1560517281 09-05-2018, 09:39 AM
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Originally Posted By hai2dehfolks
so only science and war can change and influence society?
Don't feed the troll my love. He's been off his rocker for a while now.
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I agree with most of this but also women haven't had much opportunity in the past when compared to men, which is obviously changing now. Too bad they're still playing the victim constantly because now that they're ACTUALLY EQUAL, they still aren't accomplishing much. That doesn't just go for women either
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Originally Posted By hai2dehfolks
so only science and war can change and influence society?
No, i'm just saying refusing to give up a bus seat isn't special, it has no requirements, it doesn't have a "greatness" factor to it.

It isn't dramatically changing to the entire human race either, it changes thing only in the USA, therefore it is even less relevant.

A nuke changed the world

The formation of the USA changed the world

Polio cure changed the world



Refusing giving up a bus seat....LOL
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Going to go ahead and throw Florence Nightingale out there... basically changed the infection control world in hospitals and healthcare at a time where germ control theory was just beginning to emerge. Way ahead of her time... doctors were still going from doing autopsies to performing surgery an hour later without proper disinfection.
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Originally Posted By PeaceWithin
Going to go ahead and throw Florence Nightingale out there... basically changed the infection control world in hospitals and healthcare at a time where germ control theory was just beginning to emerge. Way ahead of her time.
Never heard of her. Googled

She recommended that people wash their hands....

Riveting stuff....

Also this is one of her famous quotes from Wikipedia, even this sloot knew what was up and that women are in general just incapable.


She preferred the friendship of powerful men, insisting they had done more than women to help her attain her goals, writing: "I have never found one woman who has altered her life by one iota for me or my opinions."[41][42] She often referred to herself in the masculine, as for example "a man of action" and "a man of business".[43]



The more we dig into this the more I am confirmed to be 100% correct.
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Originally Posted By StinkholePatrol
Never heard of her. Googled

She recommended that people wash their hands....

Riveting stuff....

Also this is one of her famous quotes from Wikipedia, even this sloot knew what was up and that women are in general just incapable.


She preferred the friendship of powerful men, insisting they had done more than women to help her attain her goals, writing: "I have never found one woman who has altered her life by one iota for me or my opinions."[41][42] She often referred to herself in the masculine, as for example "a man of action" and "a man of business".[43]
You are a certified troll job.

Never heard of Florence Nightingale, did you go to school?
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Marie curie
Queen Victoria
Neferititi
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Rosalind Franklin
Florence nightingale
“With realization of one's own potential and self-confidence in one's ability, one can build a better world."
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Originally Posted By Maylie
You are a certified troll job.

Never heard of Florence Nightingale, did you go to school?
Yea my mom taught me to wash my hands, I didn't really need to read her book to learn that.

My mom should go down in history too..
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post 1560519201 09-05-2018, 09:57 AM
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Originally Posted By StinkholePatrol
Never heard of her. Googled

She recommended that people wash their hands....

Riveting stuff....

Also this is one of her famous quotes from Wikipedia, even this sloot knew what was up and that women are in general just incapable.


She preferred the friendship of powerful men, insisting they had done more than women to help her attain her goals, writing: "I have never found one woman who has altered her life by one iota for me or my opinions."[41][42] She often referred to herself in the masculine, as for example "a man of action" and "a man of business".[43]



The more we dig into this the more I am confirmed to be 100% correct.
It is riveting when doctors were digging around in corpses and then performing surgery after, lmao. Using infection control to drop mortality rates due to infection into the single digits is a huge deal

Naw, she did way more than suggest people wash their hands. Vastly improved public health systems in England and India, improved military medical care during the Civil War, and basically improved medical/hospital care worldwide.
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Originally Posted By jay283
Marie curie
Queen Victoria
Neferititi
Queen Mary
Rosalind Franklin
Florence nightingale
OK

I googled the first one

She died because she was so bad at her job

She failed to actually accomplish anything and died as a result of her incompetetence, am I supposed to feel bad for her or something? I appreciate her effort but she didn't actually do anything besides die while trying to accomplish something.

I'm not even going to google the rest of the names in this list, if you're going to lead with a lady that literally died because she was so bad at her job.
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lol @ accomplishments only being accomplishments if recognized by the general public

give 0 fuks what people think cuz

most of those men who back in the day accomplished great things and forever went down in history as legends ended up dying violently, alone, and were long dead before anyone recognized their accomplishments. lol what a life. work very hard for a bunch of slack jaws who do nothing but hate BUT after you die realize you were right and give you credit. no thanks cuz.

lol @ saying supporting and building a quality family unit, sons, daughters.gif, grandchildren isnt a noble thing just because its not recognized in history. it will be recognized in history soon tho because 90% of families out there are broken because now both man and woman want to chase some dream of being some hero to the world. man and woman both need to put their families first, then worry about society, mainly because that is the backbone to society.
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Originally Posted By StinkholePatrol
I'm sorry but if they were as smart as you're making them out to be they would of found a way to overcome hurdles like this.

Just like George Washington overcame the hurdles of the British Empire.


The guy who invented electricity didn't read about it in a book, he invented it.

Women don't invent great things, like the microwave, electricity, cars. They might invent a small thing no one cares about, but never anything world changing.

Don't claim learning or chit, invention doesn't rely on learning, it rely's on ingenuity.
So black men should have by now invented many things based on your view. However, they were just as oppressed as women in history to have any opportunities to get an education etc. Sorry but those that you have mention above had a lot smaller hurdles to jump over than those were oppressed.
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Originally Posted By rollerball
this entire thread and no mention of Hedy Lamarr.
too much derp itt.
Best suggestion so far but none of her inventions actually took off according to wikipedia.

So again, "A" for effort but other then making one of the first movies with female nudity she did nothing noteworthy other then "try".

Trying isn't good enough in my book.

Inventing the car, the plane, the engine, the microwave. All of those would be worthy of world changing history status....

But trying to do something and failing at it? Sounds like womens work to me.
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Originally Posted By rollerball
I’m pretty sure her “spread spectrum” and frequency hopping stuff paved the way for bluetooth and wifi.. that’s pretty good imo.
Wrong, radio did that.

Radio was long before her.


Source: I work in IT and understand radio well.


And you guessed it: Guglielmo Marconi the creator of Radio was a man.
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Originally Posted By StinkholePatrol
No i'm not putting women down.

They can be in history too, if they marry a great man.
So women should go after men based on status. And jump onto the next better man she finds? Mate, don't come back to misc complaining that no women are looking your way because are a bunch of social climbers.
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Originally Posted By simonso
So women should go after men based on status. And jump onto the next better man she finds? Mate, don't come back to misc complaining that no women are looking your way because are a bunch of social climbers.
What?

Women don't know a guy is going to go down in history when they marry him, usually. They don't have the foresight.

That happens long after they're both dead.

I'm just saying that's the only way a woman can be historically relevant.

Giving birth or marrying some famous man.
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Literally every example of women ITT have been pity cases for history(legal reasons). They didn't change the world or actually accomplish anything great. I'm still waiting for someone to name a woman that actually fuking did something like invent the phone or something?

Does anyone know a legit woman invetor that actually made something that changed the world? Or conquered a territory and formed a country to change the world? Discovered a cure like penicillin? Or did anything really fuking noteworthy?
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Originally Posted By MiscInformed
Aweir of the Great Man theory, and there's a reason why you haven't seen it taken seriously in over 100 years. People like it because it allows you to romanticize one subject without taking a more serious look into detail.

For example - let's just go with that page pic and take Napoleon as an archetypical Great Man of History. If Napoleon was born say 50 years earlier, would he still be a Great Man of History or just a forgotten artillery captain commanding drills in the peace after the Seven Years' War? How many Napoleonsdidlive before him and just never got their Grande Armee to command? And would he have risen to the top if he hadn't been in a specific place and time that was radically celebrating egalitarianism and allowed him to rise up based on merit? The British Army at the time was ****ing selling off commissions to any gentlemen who wanted to play officer - what if Napoleon had been born English instead of Corsican? Would he have been stuck at a lower rank and cock-blocked for promotion by some tea-sipping ******* colonel above him who had friends in high places?

So adding it all up, how much of Napoleon was him being some Great Man and how much of it was he just a product of his circumstances?

Now once Napoleon was in the drivers' seat, he showed some unusual levels of military talent in reking Europe, and you could argue that there were long-term outcomes for Britain, Germany, etc, that wouldn't have happened if any other general was in charge. But claiming that "the history of the world is the history of great men" is just whitewashing over all the context thatcreatedNapoleon in favor of a myopic look at the person.

And frankly, given your sig, I'm betting the only reason you buy in to the Great Man theory is just as a reaction and middle finger to "leftist academia" - which can get pretty fukkin leftist, but don't throw out the baby with the bathwater.
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Originally Posted By rollerball
I think historically women have been in too disadvantaged a position to easily contribute in the same manner as men. It’ll be more telling to see what women accomplish, from this point forward, now that the lines of equality and income generating potential have more or less reached parity.
Women have had voting for 98 years. thats when they were equal imo.

They've done fuk all in that time. Want me to list men inventions and advancements since 1920?

How about since 2000?


This victim card bullchit aint gonna fly. You think if George Washington was disadvantaged he would cope?

Nope, he was disadvantaged fighting againt the strongest military in the world.

But he won
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