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Thread: Wide-grip pull-ups are USELESS?

post 1560986701 09-11-2018, 05:58 AM
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I find pull ups to be pretty useless for bodybuilding in general. A lot of bodybuilders do, though I suspect its just the heavier fellas

I use all kinds of different grip variations for lat development. Some are more useful than others

Really don't feel like contributing much more to this thread. Seems mostly like a bunch of bickering twinks tbh
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post 1560987961 09-11-2018, 06:26 AM
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Originally Posted By PiscesNinja⏩
You need to use laymens' terms if you want to get your point across effectively. What on Earth does "contra-flex" mean?
Contra-flex is a flexing in the opposite motion of the body or limb's natural motor function. A contra-flex of the bicep, involves a subtle bending back at the elbow (like you're about to give blood), which causes the connective portion between the bicep and the forearm to protrude‒or contra-flex.
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post 1560988001 09-11-2018, 06:28 AM
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Prefer lat pull downs for more control and focus on actual lats
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post 1560988111 09-11-2018, 06:31 AM
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All angles have their advantages to varying degrees, just like the position of your bench press. It's best to work them all.

OP I guarantee you can't do as many wide grip chin ups as you can close/neutral grip. Why is that?
post 1560988171 09-11-2018, 06:32 AM
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post 1560989081 09-11-2018, 06:48 AM
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Negged for misuse of the word useless.

Moron.
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post 1560989181 09-11-2018, 06:50 AM
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rotate exercises... don't limit yourself to a specific variation.
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post 1560989281 09-11-2018, 06:53 AM
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Still gonna do neutral and wide grip pull ups crew. no ****s given to the video which I didn't watch.
post 1560989591 09-11-2018, 06:58 AM
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Originally Posted By JChad12⏩
Still gonna do neutral and wide grip pull ups crew. no ****s given to the video which I didn't watch.
No one said anything bad about neutral grip pull-ups.
post 1560989731 09-11-2018, 07:01 AM
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no such thing as useless pull up unless it's a kipping pull up
Don't hit at all if it is honorably possible to avoid hitting; but never hit softly.
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Pull downs>>>> pull ups
post 1560998901 09-11-2018, 08:52 AM
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Originally Posted By Jax05⏩
no such thing as useless pull up unless it's a kipping pull up
Wrong, that provides endless entertainment to those of us watching.
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post 1561000091 09-11-2018, 09:07 AM
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Originally Posted By AshWar⏩
Pull downs>>>> pull ups
Compoundcels hate him
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post 1561002361 09-11-2018, 09:36 AM
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Originally Posted By PiscesNinja⏩
They both work the back equally. It's just one works the biceps more. (Close grip)
That’s not how it works
post 1561003811 09-11-2018, 09:54 AM
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Originally Posted By xLostxAngelx⏩
Inadvertently forgot to mention, that the range of motion on curls where you bring your arm forward is also limited by the fact that, when you descend, your elbow quickly reaches its full extension, begins to contra-flex, and hyper-extend the arm in a dangerous fashion. When your arm is tucked to the side of your body, it's able to move along the entire portion of the vertical equilibrium‒some 180 degrees. The bicep curl is a 180 degree movement. When you bring your arm forward, your trajectory is limited to some 70 degrees or so. You're missing about 100 degrees of motion.
What on God's green earth are you saying... 180 degrees is 180 degrees... it doesn't matter where you start it... also, no one's arm can actually bend 180 degrees...
post 1561004041 09-11-2018, 09:56 AM
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Originally Posted By xLostxAngelx⏩
Inadvertently forgot to mention, that the range of motion on curls where you bring your arm forward is also limited by the fact that, when you descend, your elbow quickly reaches its full extension, begins to contra-flex, and hyper-extend the arm in a dangerous fashion. When your arm is tucked to the side of your body, it's able to move along the entire portion of the vertical equilibrium‒some 180 degrees. The bicep curl is a 180 degree movement. When you bring your arm forward, your trajectory is limited to some 70 degrees or so. You're missing about 100 degrees of motion.
There are different ways to hit bicep heads. Doesn't need to be full movement every time.
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post 1561004171 09-11-2018, 09:58 AM
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The back is a huge muscle group.

Depending on where you grip it will hit a different part of the back.

That being said, wide grip is superior to narrow grip. It's harder for a reason.
post 1561004971 09-11-2018, 10:11 AM
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Originally Posted By PiscesNinja⏩
Yes, and here's why.

With a closer grip, you are in a stronger, more natural position (ever wonder why some people get shoulder pain from wide grip? We're not meant to pull ourselves up with our hands way far apart)

Imagine you need to pull yourself up onto a ledge. Are you going to use a narrow grip, or a wide grip?

A narrow grip puts you in a stronger line of pull, and through a longer range of motion which means you're getting more of a growth stimulus. So you can use more weight.

If you're pulling 90 pounds with your back and 10 pounds with your biceps on wide grip.

If you're pulling 90 pounds with your back and 30 pounds with your biceps on close grip.

Is the back getting worked any less on close grip?

No.
You're proving yourself wrong. For the same amount of reps and the same weight your back has to exert more power using wide vs using narrow grip, since by your logic your biceps have to pull more weight when using narrow grip. And comparing a pull up in the gym (where your goal -if you're a bodybuilder- is to gain muscle mass) with any functional movement is retarded imo. Of course pulling yourself up using narrow grip is easier, you're spreading the load between more muscles as to concentrating the load on one muscle(group).
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post 1561005191 09-11-2018, 10:13 AM
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Originally Posted By DemiBrah⏩
When you read this, it makes sense to your brain?
Haven't you heard?

The wider you go, the lighter you get
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post 1561035261 09-11-2018, 03:49 PM
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Originally Posted By hughgainz⏩
What on God's green earth are you saying... 180 degrees is 180 degrees... it doesn't matter where you start it... also, no one's arm can actually bend 180 degrees...
Right‒you only get about 165ish when you come all the way up, but just to elaborate the style of the full range of motion embodies 180 degrees.
Originally Posted By ssilv⏩
There are different ways to hit bicep heads. Doesn't need to be full movement every time.
Negative.

Does it take more muscle to use a fuller range of motion? There you have it. The only way to fully work the bicep muscles is by using a full range of motion. Otherwise, there are fibers missing out on activation, and thus will not see any significant development from those curls. You will develop short-form biceps, and no one will ever note you on your bicep development.
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post 1561035751 09-11-2018, 03:55 PM
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Originally Posted By arn710⏩
Compoundcels hate him
When will they learn
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I usually go shoulder-width for pull ups.

Regardless, you think killing people's fukking funny? Well I can tell you that everyone who's ever killed anybody, myself included...from the moment you kill your first person, you're pretty well fukked in your head for the rest of your life. I still have nightmares about the first time I killed somebody--I remember his fukking brains blowing out everywhere and that chit is chit that I see in my dreams, still to this day. So you think it's funny? Fukk you, PiscesNinja, it's not fukking funny.
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Originally Posted By PiscesNinja⏩
Yes, and here's why.

With a closer grip, you are in a stronger, more natural position (ever wonder why some people get shoulder pain from wide grip? We're not meant to pull ourselves up with our hands way far apart)

Imagine you need to pull yourself up onto a ledge. Are you going to use a narrow grip, or a wide grip?

A narrow grip puts you in a stronger line of pull, and through a longer range of motion which means you're getting more of a growth stimulus. So you can use more weight.

If you're pulling 90 pounds with your back and 10 pounds with your biceps on wide grip.

If you're pulling 90 pounds with your back and 30 pounds with your biceps on close grip.

Is the back getting worked any less on close grip?

No.
Where are the other 20 pounds?

Maybe the secret is this hypothetical person was using plates for close grip, because otherwise I have no idea how this makes any sense.
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I do wide grip rows
They work upper back more srs
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Careful with pull/chins. Elbow over usage is very real.
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Can blaha's fat ass even do a single pullup starting from a dead hang?


He has a video of him talking about doing pullups but not actually doing any.
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If one works biceps more doesnt that necessarily imply partial load taken off back, doing less work and less back gains ultimately?
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Originally Posted By Dan_S⏩
Where are the other 20 pounds?

Maybe the secret is this hypothetical person was using plates for close grip, because otherwise I have no idea how this makes any sense.
You are able to lift more (20 pounds in this example), but that doesn't mean there's more weight - it means that because you can lift more, you can do more reps. Which means higher total tonnage, which means you've lifted more weight, which equals more strength and muscle gains.
Originally Posted By elterrible987⏩
Can blaha's fat ass even do a single pullup starting from a dead hang?


He has a video of him talking about doing pullups but not actually doing any.
He has plenty of videos of him doing bodyweight and weighted pull-ups and chin-ups.
Originally Posted By onaed⏩
If one works biceps more doesnt that necessarily imply partial load taken off back, doing less work and less back gains ultimately?
No, because the back is getting fatigued just as much. It just means that because the biceps are in a stronger line of pull, they can do more work before getting fatigued.

To the people saying this doesn't add up: you can lift more TOTAL weight this way, and the extra TOTAL weight is going to the biceps.
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Originally Posted By DemiBrah⏩
When you read this, it makes sense to your brain?
I was just thinking that. It doesn't make sense. If one works your biceps more, it means you are working less back because there's more workload on your bicep so it can't be equal between the two.
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he's not wrong about the myth...wide grip is NOT for a wide back

narrow is way better just due to the ROM you cna get on your lats

you'll get more teres development from a wider grip
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