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post 1561398301 09-16-2018, 08:34 AM
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Real talk

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Originally Posted By atgbrahsrs⏩
Real talk

being a tradie outside of North America is death

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I do agree to an extent. I wanted to be a tradie as my secondary education. Done a lot of job research and between the super low starting wages and job lay offs I chose not to go that route. I got buddies who have done welding and electrical who are over 6 years now and still not a master certificate in their trades. Between all the lay offs they still don’t have enough hours. Not saying it’s a bad choice, but it contributed to me getting my second stem degree. I figured I can deal with 2-3 more years of school rather then that
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Originally Posted By Rebuilt3⏩
I do agree to an extent. I wanted to be a tradie as my secondary education. Done a lot of job research and between the super low starting wages and job lay offs I chose not to go that route. I got buddies who have done welding and electrical who are over 6 years now and still not a master certificate in their trades. Between all the lay offs they still don’t have enough hours. Not saying it’s a bad choice, but it contributed to me getting my second stem degree. I figured I can deal with 2-3 more years of school rather then that
The trades are just not a nice option if you are not in the US

There are lots of job and cultural differences between Europe and the USA
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Originally Posted By Rebuilt3⏩
Depends on where you go bud. Private schools can be expensive as hell. I’ve done a 4 year degree for the same tuition expense as a 9 month trade.... aside from living costs
i think it would more or less cost 30k+ for me which ever school i do go to pursue a degree.
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Well dude its free if you join the military first
that's exactly what I should have done when I was younger, but I have had eczema since birth so I kept thinking I would be rejected. i feel a little too old to join now, i'm 26. so if i went to the military i'd get out at 30 and grad uni at 34 then who knows if i could find a job.
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If I could go back in time

I would've skipped college.

During high school, I would've read up on IT, do some self studying, get certified in A+, network+ then CRNA, then work in the IT world.
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Originally Posted By 2RDEYE⏩
i think it would more or less cost 30k+ for me which ever school i do go to pursue a degree.



that's exactly what I should have done when I was younger, but I have had eczema since birth so I kept thinking I would be rejected. i feel a little too old to join now, i'm 26. so if i went to the military i'd get out at 30 and grad uni at 34 then who knows if i could find a job.
Age is only a limitation if you let it be. One of my instructors i had way back told me his story which i always remembered. He was a musician, and played gigs and toured for years right up until he was 34 years old. Then around that age he decided that he needed to change his life around and wanted a family and all that stuff. Started university at 36, earned his masters and started his career in his 40's. He now has a good job with summers off teaching. If you doubt whether youll get a job or not, that is what will hold you back.
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Originally Posted By rynnp⏩
I attribute the anti-college rise to a few things:

1. The cost. It is ridiculous how much college is nowadays. Unless your parents are paying for it or if you have a set plan (no one really does) to major in something in STEM and are actually good. it is not worth it IMO.

2. Availability of resources. Colleges used to be the gatekeepers of further knowledge. Now we can just go online and learn stuff, buy books, etc.

3. Job requirements. There are a lot of jobs that require experience nowadays and I will expand this on my second point but school alone wont cut it anymore.

4. Different types of jobs. There are now a ton of jobs that do not require a college degree at all and prefer that you have experience instead. Since the online boom there is a greater demand for video making, marketing, growth hacking, coding, etc. stuff you can learn on your own and will be hired based on your personal projects and experience. not school.

5. Outdated knowledge. With how fast the world is changing, a lot of knowledge is outdated in college. I know for a lot of film schools (inb4 that is a waste anyways) that the information is outdated. markeing they dont teach you anything useful either.

6. Actual useful knowledge. colleges dont teach you how to build good credit, how to do your taxes, etc. If I had one class in college where I learned how to do all the useful stuff then I would make college at least 10% more worth it.

7. Time. I find it ridiculous that it takes 4 years to "prep" you for an entry level job. For a lot of jobs out there you could probably learn in training within a few months and be good at it. (yes there should be background checks and other tests or experience checkers but 4 years of school doesnt really prove much IMO)
This.

For the most part, college is a complete waste of time unless there is aguaranteedhigh salary at the end of it (which most universities and most degrees will NOT offer you).

Additionally, there are tons of rich, successful people who never went to college and just worked full time. So unless you major in STEM @ an elite college, don't waste your time/money brahs.

brb, at least half of all college grads are working jobsthat don't even require a degree.

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The elephant in the nation is underemployment. Simply put, someone who is underemployed is involuntarily working part time or is overqualified for their current position. According to underemployment researcher Douglas Maynard of SUNY New Paltz, this can include workers who possess more formal education, higher-level skills, and more extensive work experience than the job requires, workers who are involuntarily employed in a field different than their formal education, workers who are involuntarily employed in a temporary, part-time, or intermittent employment, and workers who earn 20% or less than their previous jobs.

So yes, that college grad you know who had to move back in with their parents because he or she couldn’t pay their bills? Underemployed. That barista at Starbucks with a master’s degree? Underemployed. The 28 year-old working retail while trying to find a job in his or her field? Underemployed. Your friend constantly trying to sell you health shakes and exercise programs and leggings and fancy lip gloss on ******** because they got laid off and make less money than they used to? Underemployed.
Looking at data from the Bureau of Labor Statistics Labor Force Statistics, it becomes apparent that these cases of underemployment aren’t just your run of the mill useless-degree-getting-millennials. It turns out this isn’t a unique experience to today’s college graduates: a report from the Federal Reserve Bank of New York found that the underemployment rate for all college graduates 22-65 has held steady at around 33% for the past three decades.For recent college graduates 22-27, the numbers have been rising steadily, with the underemployment rate rising to 44% in 2012. Compared to the unemployment rate, which fluctuated from anywhere between 4% and 10% during the same time period, these numbers are alarmingly high.
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Originally Posted By Rebuilt3⏩
Age is only a limitation if you let it be. One of my instructors i had way back told me his story which i always remembered. He was a musician, and played gigs and toured for years right up until he was 34 years old. Then around that age he decided that he needed to change his life around and wanted a family and all that stuff. Started university at 36, earned his masters and started his career in his 40's. He now has a good job with summers off teaching. If you doubt whether youll get a job or not, that is what will hold you back.
yeah i'm trying to get over the age thing. it is really tough though. seeing so many people in my age already pretty much in good positions in their life. and the fact that if i actually graduate, how hard will it be to get a decent job. what recently keeps me a little motivated is that i keep repeating "i want a degree before i die" in my head. for me the main thing holding me back is the financial problem right now. like i keep staring at the "apply now" at the university i want to try courses at but the price is like $900 for just one course (includes books and enrollment fee). and that's a lot for me. so i just end up staring at that page, and giving up. currently trying to understand financial aid **** but they make it really complicated.
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just lol if you aren't joining the military... traveling the world on the tax payers dollar and then not only going to school for free but basically getting paid to go.
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Originally Posted By TMaC828⏩
just lol if you aren't joining the military... traveling the world on the tax payers dollar and then not only going to school for free but basically getting paid to go.
This, I remember how much my high school chited on joining the military, they showed us that you make less than min wage while leaving out BAH and benefits. Its sad that people think joining the military means you're a dumbass who spends his days in a desert shooting chit. Go aviation, its chill af, especially when you fly in something too big to land on a carrier
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I seemed to be lucky in that I knew what degree I wanted, engineering, and just did a quick 4 year shot with no bs'ing around with switching majors. People need to know what they want before they go, because spending 5+ years trying to figure it out is expensive. Also, it's common sense now, but only go for big $$ jobs, certain engineering degrees and pre-med are safe bets, programming is still somewhat safe, but the market is quickly becoming over-saturated and you really have to be a top programmer to get a good gig.
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Originally Posted By jonmcd46⏩
This, I remember how much my high school chited on joining the military, they showed us that you make less than min wage while leaving out BAH and benefits. Its sad that people think joining the military means you're a dumbass who spends his days in a desert shooting chit. Go aviation, its chill af, especially when you fly in something too big to land on a carrier
It also gives you time and exposure to figure out what you want to do and what can be useful. By the time you get through an enlistment you've probably figured out that basket weaving isn't going to pay the same. It's a good change of perspective.
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Originally Posted By jonmcd46⏩
This, I remember how much my high school chited on joining the military, they showed us that you make less than min wage while leaving out BAH and benefits.Its sad that people think joining the military means you're a dumbass who spends his days in a desert shooting chit. Go aviation, its chill af, especially when you fly in something too big to land on a carrier
This.

People who join the military or do trade right after high school are actually the smart ones.

Yes, I have a STEM degree, but I needed to further my education even more to even make it worth it. Meanwhile, people who did trade, IT, military are better off.

Which further proves just because you went to college, doesn't mean you are smart. No hate on college brahs
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brb mainstream media push college on me
brb say your not gonna make it without college degree
brb take classes im not even interested in cuz it will make me make it
brb come out 10k in debt trying to find a job
brb get hired to push paperwork or sales on someone
brb barely make loan payments and think im doing better then HS kids

brb could of done this without going to college and being in major debt.
brb banks and schools lining their pockets while i barely get by
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i actually wanted to join the military as an actual long-term career out of highschool. but i talked to a recruiter and some military brahs and they said i'd have no chance joining with eczema, so my dream died there. was my dream since i was a kid.
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Originally Posted By 2RDEYE⏩
i actually wanted to join the military as an actual long-term career out of highschool. but i talked to a recruiter and some military brahs and they said i'd have no chance joining with eczema, so my dream died there. was my dream since i was a kid.
Why not look into it again ? I got a buddy who’s 25 and he just joined the military. He loves it cause it’s been on his mind forever and he finally pulled the trigger on it
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Originally Posted By jonmcd46⏩
This, I remember how much my high school chited on joining the military, they showed us that you make less than min wage while leaving out BAH and benefits. Its sad that people think joining the military means you're a dumbass who spends his days in a desert shooting chit. Go aviation, its chill af, especially when you fly in something too big to land on a carrier
I had arguably the ****tiest job in the Air Force... but I was very fortunate with my deployments and duty stations that it ended up being the time of my life. Now I go to a pretty good school for free and all the grants I get per semester are basically cut out to me in checks 75% of the way through the semester... and I'm pocketing over 50% of my BAH. Life is good brahs.

And yeah brah^^^^... there's a waiver for that. It might not be easy to get but I'm sure there are people in the military with eczema.
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Originally Posted By johnnydeep1⏩
Calm down. I am an intellectual who has degrees in Mechanical Engineering and Accounting. I know a thing or two.
OP trolling you guys hard, trying to get you riled up
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Employers and the government are guilty as well.

employers - everytime they screen applicants on degrees for jobs that dont require them, they encourage people to get worthless degrees. Your secretary doesnt need a sociology degree.

government - gov backed loans do not consider the worth of the degree to pay them back. Also the problem of for profit colleges, which will take in literally anyone, get them gov loans and the credits dont transfer anywhere, a truely worthless degree. They have atleast been going after them finally. There is a reason no private for profit bank would take these loans, because they know the people cant pay them back. So why is it OK to use my fking tax dollars to do it?
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You will struggle to get a job that will pay you a comfortable salary without a degree of some kind, simple as that
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Simple OP,

Because they go to an expensive private university to major in Feminist Dance Therapy, graduate with six-figures of debt, and aren't able to land a half-way decent job with their useless degree. Then they get on Twitter and Reddit, whine about how unfair the system is, and vote for Bernie Sanders.

If you're smart about your finances and your major, college is an amazing option. I'm graduating debt-free from my state school with a degree in computer science, then (hopefully) going to a cheaper dental school where I won't be graduating debt-free but will be able to pay off my loans quickly just because of the job.
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Because, how else would they cope?
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Originally Posted By johnnydeep1⏩
"Honest question do you lift"
Yes. I can dumbell press 95. lbs. for 6 reps. I bet that more than what you can do, you little, skinny, manlet.
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skipped college went the online ceo ecommerce entrepreneur route now looking to make 15-20k a month. i have hella experience in customer service though so that helped out a lot. glad i didn't get to college because of debt. now my credit is healthy, bank account, maxed out, time free. literally work and make money when i want.
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Originally Posted By Ace
There are rich people who went to college and didn't have to work during that whole time, who brag that they're smarter than bros who couldn't afford to stay in college for eight years and had to work for a living. It's the stuck up college graduates who give honest graduates a bad name.
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Because the only reason to go to college is to become a doctor, lawyer or engineer with few exceptions. School isn’t needed for most other stuff. University isn’t the only form of education. Self education is dratiscslly underrated by you people who think college is the only way.
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Originally Posted By MrAWatts⏩
Because the only reason to go to college is to become a doctor, lawyer or engineer with few exceptions. School isn’t needed for most other stuff. University isn’t the only form of education. Self education is dratiscslly underrated by you people who think college is the only way.
Degrees are huge in business, too. Where you went to school probably matters more than anything... you can pursue a business career without a degree but chances are you'll only make it so far up the corporate structure before you're passed up for promotions by someone with a degree unless you have tight connections up high and constantly out perform your peers.

It isn't so much what you learn in college... but it shows potential employers that you are reliable and trustworthy and that you stayed dedicated to something for 4+ years. It's a very efficient way to find competent employees.
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Originally Posted By 2RDEYE⏩
they said i'd have no chance joining with eczema,.
lol canadians are so fn weird
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Originally Posted By TMaC828⏩
Degrees are huge in business, too. Where you went to school probably matters more than anything... you can pursue a business career without a degree but chances are you'll only make it so far up the corporate structure before you're passed up for promotions by someone with a degree unless you have tight connections up high and constantly out perform your peers.

It isn't so much what you learn in college... but it shows potential employers that you are reliable and trustworthy and that you stayed dedicated to something for 4+ years. It's a very efficient way to find competent employees.
It’s cute that you think this. Funny how grown ass people can still be so naive.
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Originally Posted By MrAWatts⏩
It’s cute that you think this. Funny how grown ass people can still be so naive.
yeah let's just ignore the fact that the earnings difference between those with a college degree and those without one is on average, $1M, over a lifetime. Add another million for a doctorate.
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