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post 1561747151 09-20-2018, 01:55 PM
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Originally Posted By Kreuzritter⏩
intimidation doesnt = premeditated murder.
Have a nice time convincing a judge and jury.
post 1561747331 09-20-2018, 01:57 PM
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Originally Posted By LeJR⏩
You're going to need a helluva lawyer to convince a judge and jury that leaving your home with a shotgun and pistol to confront an unarmed person in an alley constitutes no intention to kill.
We didn't see what happened before Tradie's wife started filming. Did the guy threaten to kill them the way he did over and over in the video? If so, they'd be carrying guns for their own protection.

Again, these two were retarded for not leaving that situation be. Tradie is retarded for threatening two men with guns. "When retards collide."
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post 1561747571 09-20-2018, 01:59 PM
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Originally Posted By FFailed⏩
I don't think anyone is defending them but its hard to feel bad for a retard provoking armed hillbillys. They probably got their guns because that dude would whoop both their fat asses without them.

Too be fair if you were a fat out of shape inbred fighting with someone that would whoop your ass wouldn't you want to be armed?
The point being that they thought about it, and went to their home to get a weapon capable of killing someone, then came back to prolong the altercation

One can reasonably assume that they grabbed those guns because they thought they would need to use them, and planned to as well. Thus, murder.

Can't really say they were pretty chill the whole altercation when they opened fire on an unarmed dude. And sure it might be intimidation...by threat of murder?

Ultimately, the guy they will be arguing against is dead, and the video evidence does not help them
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post 1561747831 09-20-2018, 02:02 PM
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Originally Posted By LeJR⏩
You're going to need a helluva lawyer to convince a judge and jury that leaving your home with a shotgun and pistol to confront an unarmed person in an alley constitutes no intention to kill.
And THEN after the first shot at the unarmed man, the SECOND armed retard fires as well.

Premeditated murder.

Has ongoing dispute, comes outside 2 on 1, both brandishing firearms.

At some point without being attacked in ANYWAY and with a 2 on 1 advantage. One person fires AROUND SOMEONE standing in the way, While they KNOW they are on film. Then the other person makes sure they are dead.

This is premeditated murder.

They brought their guns to kill someone, and then did. They wanted to kill him, prepared to kill him and then killed him without any physical provocation, on film.

Their premeditated murder captured for us all to see.
post 1561748331 09-20-2018, 02:07 PM
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Originally Posted By Ilikebeef⏩
And THEN after the first shot at the unarmed man, the SECOND armed retard fires as well.

Premeditated murder.

Has ongoing dispute, comes outside 2 on 1, both brandishing firearms.

At some point without being attacked in ANYWAY and with a 2 on 1 advantage. One person fires AROUND SOMEONE standing in the way, While they KNOW they are on film. Then the other person makes sure they are dead.

This is premeditated murder.

They brought their guns to kill someone, and then did. They wanted to kill him, prepared to kill him and then killed him without any physical provocation, on film.

Their premeditated murder captured for us all to see.
Ya it was hard to see what happened there at the end and why the old guy finally shot. Did the tradie lunge at them or something? I don't know wtf Cleatus Jr with the follow up shotgun blast was thinking though
post 1561748361 09-20-2018, 02:07 PM
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I get the angry dude who got killed but man... should have walked away and not deal with these fat rednecks.

Feels bad that he lost his life over this.
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post 1561748441 09-20-2018, 02:08 PM
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The Millers have each been charged with first-degree murder, and they are both out of jail on $25,000 bond.
That can't be right.
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Originally Posted By FFailed⏩


When keeping it real goes wrong. Threatening to kill people who are holding guns seems like a great idea
Geezus christ. Strong everything! Strong retards all around.
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post 1561748731 09-20-2018, 02:12 PM
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post 1561748801 09-20-2018, 02:12 PM
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Originally Posted By Godfrd824⏩
That can't be right.
To be fair. The judge probably assumed they couldn't afford to pay that much. LOL
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post 1561749261 09-20-2018, 02:18 PM
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Originally Posted By SwimToTheMoon⏩
Lmao at threatening two armed hillbillies with death.. It sucks for his children but this could have been so easily avoided if only one person in that video had an IQ of more than 100...
Pretty much.
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post 1561749371 09-20-2018, 02:20 PM
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post 1561749421 09-20-2018, 02:21 PM
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I cant comprehend the stupidity of screaming at 2 armed you'll that'll kick their asses if they point a gun at you.

Maybe he thought he was Wonder Woman?
post 1561750641 09-20-2018, 02:37 PM
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Originally Posted By NuggzTheNinja⏩
We didn't see what happened before Tradie's wife started filming. Did the guy threaten to kill them the way he did over and over in the video? If so, they'd be carrying guns for their own protection.

Again, these two were retarded for not leaving that situation be. Tradie is retarded for threatening two men with guns. "When retards collide."
Doesn't matter. They weren't defending themselves on their property, or in their home, or whatever. They made a conscious choice to engage in the argument with the guy over some trash in a public area. If he made threats, you leave and call the cops. You don't get guns to try and win the argument. By getting them, it's assumed the intent was to use them.
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Originally Posted By Zackad⏩
The point being that they thought about it, and went to their home to get a weapon capable of killing someone, then came back to prolong the altercation

One can reasonably assume that they grabbed those guns because they thought they would need to use them, and planned to as well. Thus, murder.

Can't really say they were pretty chill the whole altercation when they opened fire on an unarmed dude. And sure it might be intimidation...by threat of murder?

Ultimately, the guy they will be arguing against is dead, and the video evidence does not help them
Now bare with me because i'm playing devils advocate... I believe one can also reasonably assume the two men with guns had business in the alley (it is after-all a public place). And went to get guns to defend themselves from a baseball bat wielding psycho that was in said alley. Baseball bat could be considered a deadly weapon depending on who is using it and how they are using it. Its hard to determine how this will be presented in a court of law, but as of now with only the last half of the story being on video, its hard to be exactly sure what the outcome will be.
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post 1561750821 09-20-2018, 02:40 PM
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Originally Posted By ko300zx⏩
Doesn't matter. They weren't defending themselves on their property, or in their home, or whatever. They made a conscious choice to engage in the argument with the guy over some trash in a public area. If he made threats, you leave and call the cops. You don't get guns to try and win the argument. By getting them, it's assumed the intent was to use them.
In TX you have the right to defend yourself even if you are not on your property or in your own home. Not saying what happened here was within the law, just thought I would enlighten you on our gun laws.
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post 1561750961 09-20-2018, 02:42 PM
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Originally Posted By dbluevette⏩
Now bare with me because i'm playing devils advocate... I believe one can also reasonably assume the two men with guns had business in the alley (it is after-all a public place). And went to get guns to defend themselves from a baseball bat wielding psycho that was in said alley. Baseball bat could be considered a deadly weapon depending on who is using it and how they are using it. Its hard to determine how this will be presented in a court of law, but as of now with only the last half of the story being on video, its hard to be exactly sure what the outcome will be.
wait so did they have business in the alley, or did they grab the guns to defend themselves?

that beind said, I didn't see the guy who got shot weilding a baseball bat, just that it was said someone else got a baseball bat from his home. But you could be right, they may have been defending themselves. But the video evidence doesn't show any hint of that, and really heavily implies that they came ready for somebody to die. Multiple shots fired, stone faced expressions, DGAF about someone filming them the entire time, etc.
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post 1561751101 09-20-2018, 02:44 PM
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Originally Posted By dbluevette⏩
Now bare with me because i'm playing devils advocate... I believe one can also reasonably assume the two men with guns had business in the alley (it is after-all a public place). And went to get guns to defend themselves from a baseball bat wielding psycho that was in said alley. Baseball bat could be considered a deadly weapon depending on who is using it and how they are using it. Its hard to determine how this will be presented in a court of law, but as of now with only the last half of the story being on video, its hard to be exactly sure what the outcome will be.
Reread the story and watch the video. It said someone else went to get a bat, and clearly in the video he has nothing in his hands. They killed an unarmed man. Pretty easy to determine how it will be presented.
Originally Posted By dbluevette⏩
In TX you have the right to defend yourself even if you are not on your property or in your own home. Not saying what happened here was within the law, just thought I would enlighten you on our gun laws.
Don't think verbal threats apply do they? Don't think they apply to people whowillinglyengaged in a confrontation with someone either. They had the choice to leave.
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Originally Posted By Zackad⏩
wait so did they have business in the alley, or did they grab the guns to defend themselves?

that beind said, I didn't see the guy who got shot weilding a baseball bat, just that it was said someone else got a baseball bat from his home. But you could be right, they may have been defending themselves. But the video evidence doesn't show any hint of that, and really heavily implies that they came ready for somebody to die. Multiple shots fired, stone faced expressions, DGAF about someone filming them the entire time, etc.
They could have also came ready to only defend themselves, not necessarily for someone to die. They didn't seem to be chasing the man around with their guns. I'm just looking at the situation from the perspective as a defense attorney.
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Originally Posted By ko300zx⏩
Reread the story and watch the video. It said someone else went to get a bat, and clearly in the video he has nothing in his hands. They killed an unarmed man. Pretty easy to determine how it will be presented.



Don't think verbal threats apply do they? Don't think they apply to people whowillinglyengaged in a confrontation with someone.
It gets really tricky here. How threatened were you? How serious were the threats? Who was making the threats? (a frail 90 year old woman or a 7 foot muscle bound cranked out on drugs gorilla? Did he have a weapon? A bat? These all play a part in the law of defending yourself from bodily injury or death. He may have initially not had a bat, but did he reach for one when the 2 gunman shot him? The camera was not on the victim when they decided to take the shots to eliminate the situation. This is all of course assuming the gunmen had lawful business to conduct in the alley.
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I cant comprehend the stupidity of screaming at 2 armed men that you'll that'll kick their asses if they point a gun at you.

Maybe he thought he was Wonder Woman?
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Originally Posted By dbluevette⏩
It gets really tricky here. How threatened were you? How serious were the threats? Who was making the threats? (a frail 90 year old woman or a 7 foot muscle bound cranked out on drugs gorilla? Did he have a weapon? A bat? These all play a part in the law of defending yourself from bodily injury or death.
They certainly didn't seem threatened. They didn't try to back away or anything, and kept testing the guy by "saying, come within 3 feet of me, I'll kill you" so they seemed to also be aggressors. I dunno, seems pretty clear cut to me. When the "unreleased" footage shows up in 3 weeks and there's a gang of homies wielding bats covered in chains and nails behind the camera girl, things might change.
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Originally Posted By ko300zx⏩
They certainly didn't seem threatened. They didn't try to back away or anything, and kept testing the guy by "saying, come within 3 feet of me, I'll kill you" so they seemed to also be aggressors. I dunno, seems pretty clear cut to me. When the "unreleased" footage shows up in 3 weeks and there's a gang of homies wielding bats covered in chains and nails behind the camera girl, things might change.
lol. Warning someone to stay away from you because you don't want them to get close enough to cause bodily injury or death is not being the aggressor. Curious to see how this will be presented in a court of law. And curious of how the defense team will try to get these men off.
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Nope.

They'd laugh at the other as they contemplate which of their harem is on the menu for the night.
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Originally Posted By dbluevette⏩
lol. Warning someone to stay away from you because you don't want them to get close enough to you to cause bodily injury or death is not being the aggressor.
Again, they went back into their house to get guns. This wasn't a situation where they were approached with guns already on them and were defending themselves. They left the situation, got guns, and came back. At that point they become aggressors as well. No?
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If you're pulling a gun on someone because you don't like the way they handle their trash, you deserve to be locked up. Unless it's on your property that you're responsible for, then who cares? While the guy was stupid to try to be alpha, thinking he can stand his ground and throw out threats when you got two guys with a gun on you, while you have no weapons or any sort of defense. He was asking to be killed.

Someone should have just been a bigger guy and walked away, but this what happens when stupid people settle disputes.
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Originally Posted By ko300zx⏩
Again, they went back into their house to get guns. This wasn't a situation where they were approached with guns already on them and were defending themselves. They left the situation, got guns, and came back. At that point they become aggressors as well.
Not if they had business to conduct in the alley. Hear me out. This may be a bit of a stretch but just hear me out. This is what a defense attorney will argue.

If you go to throw out the trash and get in to an altercation with someone and fear for your life most normal people would leave the situation and just call the cops. But, if for some stupid reason you had to get the trash thrown out at that time and felt like you may have to defend your life doing so, going to get a gun for self defense and continuing with your trash throwing activities is within your rights. Not smart, but within your rights.
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