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Thread: Steven Crowders ‘Rape Culture’ Is A MYTH | Change My Mind (vid)

post 1562804511 10-03-2018, 02:17 PM
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While I typically enjoy watching his debates, I don't really like his style... He doesn't mean to be, but he comes off as a know it all, and a bit condescending. It's subtle, but even as I watch the videos rooting for him, I'm put off for some reason.
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Originally Posted By Clkflynn⏩
complete degenerate steven crowder is, tackling the real issues as always. Sad how people actually watch this crap to reinforce their own retarded political views, god how disgusting conservatives are.
So.. I take it you have no counter argument for the fact that we don't live in a "Rape Culture".

The only evidence you need is the Kavanaugh/Blasey-Ford situation currently playing out before us.

Would a "rape culture" believe Ford enough that they'd bend over backwards for her to let her come before congress and speak her accusations?
Would a "rape culture" have probably 50% of the country believing women by default (even though that makes no sense and is in fact, sexist?)
Would a "rape culture" crucify a man by default.. pillory his good name on social media and television.. and make cartoons that ridicule his children?

Yeah, no. We do not live in a society that normalizes rape. We live in a society that normalizes false rape accusations.
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Originally Posted By Clkflynn⏩
complete degenerate steven crowder is, tackling the real issues as always. Sad how people actually watch this crap to reinforce their own retarded political views, god how disgusting conservatives are.
how about instead of your weak ad hominem attacks, you bring up a point that you disagree with? Or are you one of those "intellectuals" who think their point of views are "too nuanced to articulate"?
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Originally Posted By chilloppy⏩
Hmm, yea I guess that could happen. Though my claim that Crowder has an obvious advantage by preparing for the debate still holds.



He didn't use the book but he obviously took time to prepare it. I am not saying he should not be preparing and neither am I saying he should not seek discourse. What I am saying is that him not acknowledging the obvious fact that he has an advantage by preparing and knowing the topic of the debate ahead of time, he gives of the impression that a fair debate is not his main objective. A fair debate would give both parties roughly the same time to prepare. No matter what your views are, I am pretty sure you'd be able to articulate your argument way more clearly if you were allowed some time to prepare. This is all I am saying.

To understand where you are coming from: do you think his main objective is understanding the other sides way of thinking and showing them his or do you think he mainly wants to show off?
I think he enjoys winning arguments more than he enjoys convincing people.

Thanks for the book recommendation, I will look at it. All talks of Sowell I've seen so far were pretty good.
It’s kind of funny. First time I heard of Crowder was on Joe Rogan Podcast and they got into a fight about weed.

Crowder got all pissed joe was googling answers and he didn’t have a computer.

Funny exchange.
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Originally Posted By eltoro24⏩
It’s kind of funny. First time I heard of Crowder was on Joe Rogan Podcast and they got into a fight about weed.

Crowder got all pissed joe was googling answers and he didn’t have a computer.

Funny exchange.
do you have the time stamp?
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Originally Posted By JohnQQQ⏩
While I typically enjoy watching his debates, I don't really like his style... He doesn't mean to be, but he comes off as a know it all, and a bit condescending. It's subtle, but even as I watch the videos rooting for him, I'm put off for some reason.
I agree with all the points he's ever made.

With that said, it is obvious what he is doing. He tries to act like he isn't trying to make a fool of his opponents while he's debating them, but he clearly is. I don't have a problem with it though it's entertaining.
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Originally Posted By ballzaak⏩
Crowder takes a cool tack because he's not trying to be as offensive as possible, and he's obviously done his research because he has answers and facts and figures.

Unfortunately in this society for most people, "I disagree/dislike you" or getting triggered is the equivalent of "you are factually wrong." You may not like Crowder or Shapiro, but they actually make sense 99% of the time.
Crowder doesn't really have the debate skills at all, he is informed on his topics which makes most of the people he debates look like fools, since they just rely on emotions and logical fallacies. It , however makes his style off putting, because it feels like a teacher debating with a kindergartener.

But Shapiro from a febate standpoint is on a way different level than Crowder who seems to pick on the lowest hanging fruit.
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Originally Posted By jlick⏩
how about instead of your weak ad hominem attacks, you bring up a point that you disagree with? Or are you one of those "intellectuals" who think their point of views are "too nuanced to articulate"?
categorizing everything into one group sure is good way to stir shiit up.

than debating people that are below his intelligence / unprepared.

is real progress. I am sure those people walked away even more informed after that especially that first girl, that could later ruin someones life.


here is some more controversial topics for Crowder.


abortion should be illegal.


all police officers are good.


guns should be allowed.
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Originally Posted By albeezy512⏩
It depends on what you consider "rape culture". Some of the **** that they used to tell us back in the day was definitely sketchy and could probably be considered rape culture. Going after drunk chicks. Asking to just put the tip in lmao.
Going after drunk chicks isn't rape culture.
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crowder is a bit of a ******* but jfc that girl is absolutely insane
Originally Posted By Dave22reborn⏩
Going after drunk chicks isn't rape culture.
ehh... if you're not hammered yourself, that ones a bit rapey
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Originally Posted By BetaAsPhuck⏩
Again, I'm not saying there is anything wrong with wanting to debate them.

My post was outlining, why I think he is intentionally trying to provoke them, and targets a specific group of people.

He seems to try to trigger teenagers emotionally (again, the brain - including the self control parts - doesn't mature until approx 25), and then complains when they engage with him emotionally.


If he wants to battle the indoctrination, why not debate the college professors teaching this to the kids? Why not call them out for a public debate?

Dude @ 40:20 calls him out on his method. Throughout his discussion with Crowder, he kept saying that he disagrees with the way he has gone about it, because he believes he's being intentionally provocative. Crowder keeps trying to dodge that, and tries to drag the kid into a debate that he repeatedly says he doesn't want, and isn't prepared for.
So what are you trying to say? That someone under the age of 25, isn't capable of being rational?
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Originally Posted By Carbonfibre⏩
categorizing everything into one group sure is good way to stir shiit up.

than debating people that are below his intelligence / unprepared.

is real progress. I am sure those people walked away even more informed after that especially that first girl, that could later ruin someones life.


here is some more controversial topics for Crowder.


abortion should be illegal.


all police officers are good.


guns should be allowed.
He's not categorizing everything into one group at all. People can chose to sit down with him or not. If they sit down with him, then he articulates why he thinks the way that he does. Clearl you didn't read my post because I said he already debates professors/politicians/and other leading advocates on his show or in other change my mind segments.

I can also tell you don't watch crowder because he already did a pro life segment and a pro 2nd amendment segment.
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Originally Posted By Maylie⏩
I wouldn’t go so far as to say rape but I’d be shocked if most girls hadn’t been at least groped by some creep. Again, the same guys do this stuff to multiple women even if most wouldn’t.
You could argue that most men have been groped by women as well.

I've lost count of the number of crotch/ass grabs over the years. I guess it's just a joke when it's on a man though and essentialy rape when it's on a woman.
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Originally Posted By Donnie_Darko⏩
You could argue that most men have been groped by women as well.

I've lost count of the number of crotch/ass grabs over the years. I guess it's just a joke when it's on a man though and essentialy rape when it's on a woman.
This. I can say ive been sexually assaulted a number of times by todays standards.
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Originally Posted By KingKringe⏩
do you have the time stamp?
If you YouTube “Crowder vs Joe Rogan”. A vid pops up with the fight.
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Originally Posted By InstantLoser⏩
So.. I take it you have no counter argument for the fact that we don't live in a "Rape Culture".

The only evidence you need is the Kavanaugh/Blasey-Ford situation currently playing out before us.

Would a "rape culture" believe Ford enough that they'd bend over backwards for her to let her come before congress and speak her accusations?
Would a "rape culture" have probably 50% of the country believing women by default (even though that makes no sense and is in fact, sexist?)
Would a "rape culture" crucify a man by default.. pillory his good name on social media and television.. and make cartoons that ridicule his children?

Yeah, no. We do not live in a society that normalizes rape. We live in a society that normalizes false rape accusations.
what about the catholic church diddling kids for years and covering up?

or penn state diddling kids through that organization and covering it up?

idk if rape "culture" exists but there sure are a lot of creepy fuks up there in higher positions who get away with tons of stuff
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Originally Posted By UberAlles⏩
what about the catholic church diddling kids for years and covering up?

or penn state diddling kids through that organization and covering it up?

idk if rape "culture" exists but there sure are a lot of creepy fuks up there in higher positions who get away with tons of stuff
The argument isn't that rape doesn't happen or that people don't get away with rape. The argument is that we don't live in a society that supports rape or tolerates rape. Let's use both of your examples;

when US journalists found out about what was happening inside the Catholic church, they worked hard to expose what happened. If we lived in a rape culture, we couldn't care about exposing the catholic church.

Now with Penn State..what happened with Sandusky? He was put on trail and convicted. His ass was sent to jail and people rejoiced. Doesn't sound like a rape culture to me.
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Originally Posted By Dave22reborn⏩
So what are you trying to say? That someone under the age of 25, isn't capable of being rational?
Please re-read what you quoted.

Instead of thinking I'm implying something, you can just assume that what I wrote, is what I meant.
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Originally Posted By jlick⏩
He's not categorizing everything into one group at all. People can chose to sit down with him or not. If they sit down with him,then he articulates why he thinks the way that he does. Clearl you didn't read my post because I said he already debates professors/politicians/and other leading advocates on his show or in other change my mind segments.

I can also tell you don't watch crowder because he already did a pro life segment and a pro 2nd amendment segment.
He isn't articulating anything.

Expect picking on touchy subject that people get emotional about.

He could have binders and binders of data, for that first girl that claims she was raped its meaningless.

No different than one bad cop making all police officer look like trigger happy killers.
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Steven Crowder wasn't prepared to deal with this College kid.

He kept cutting the kid off when he was answering his questions. Also he made short speeches, whilst explicitly only wanting the kid to reply in short sentences...



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnlGG-UpJcg
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Originally Posted By jlick⏩
The argument isn't that rape doesn't happen or that people don't get away with rape. The argument is that we don't live in a society that supports rape or tolerates rape. Let's use both of your examples;

when US journalists found out about what was happening inside the Catholic church, they worked hard to expose what happened. If we lived in a rape culture, we couldn't care about exposing the catholic church.

Now with Penn State..what happened with Sandusky? He was put on trail and convicted. His ass was sent to jail and people rejoiced. Doesn't sound like a rape culture to me.
The problem is you are using the traditional definition of rape and not the feminist version of rape.

Society does glorify the ability for a man to say pick up a chick at the bar. However, as we know:


This is rape.



Apparently so is this.
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Originally Posted By jlick⏩
The argument isn't that rape doesn't happen or that people don't get away with rape. The argument is that we don't live in a society that supports rape or tolerates rape. Let's use both of your examples;

when US journalists found out about what was happening inside the Catholic church, they worked hard to expose what happened. If we lived in a rape culture, we couldn't care about exposing the catholic church.

Now with Penn State..what happened with Sandusky? He was put on trail and convicted. His ass was sent to jail and people rejoiced. Doesn't sound like a rape culture to me.
judge kavanaugh currently under investigation by the FBI for rape allegations
Tump mocks the women accusing him.
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Originally Posted By Carbonfibre⏩
He isn't articulating anything.

Expect picking on touchy subject that people get emotional about.

He could have binders and binders of data, for that first girl that claims she was raped its meaningless.

No different than one bad cop making all police officer look like trigger happy killers.
Actually, it is you who isn't articulating anything. Did you even watch the video? not once did he claim that rape doesn't happen. He is saying that we do not live in a society that supports or tolerates rape. You, like that girl (and everyone else in that video) have failed to present any evidence that we live in a rape culture.
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Originally Posted By Clkflynn⏩
judge kavanaugh currently under investigation by the FBI for rape allegations
Tump mocks the women accusing him.
Trump can think and say what he wants. We have a first amendment in America.

If the FBI was able to prove that Kavanaugh raped Dr. Ford, he would be immediately eliminated as a candidate for SCOTUS. The fact that we are even having an FBI investigation, despite the fact there there is no evidence, is proof that we do not live in a rape culture. If we lived in a rape culture, Dr. Ford would never have been heard. and Kav would have been nominated right away.

Try again buddy.
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Originally Posted By jlick⏩
Actually, it is you who isn't articulating anything. Did you even watch the video? not once did he claim that rape doesn't happen. He is saying that we do not live in a society that supports or tolerates rape. You, like that girl (and everyone else in that video) have failed to present any evidence that we live in a rape culture.
Define

support and

tolerate.

in terms of rape.

What does it mean to you.






Originally Posted By BetaAsPhuck⏩
Steven Crowder wasn't prepared to deal with this College kid.

He kept cutting the kid off when he was answering his questions. Also he made short speeches, whilst explicitly only wanting the kid to reply in short sentences...



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnlGG-UpJcg
lmao

what a phucking moron.

only thing he can do is interrupt that 18 year old that owned him.
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Originally Posted By BostonRockets⏩
This.

These people are so outraged about something they don't even properly understand to begin with. Then they try to change somebody's viewpoint on it which is totally ridiculous.

He's not randomly picking people on the street and blindsiding them live on TV with a mic in their faces. He's sitting down at a table and people voluntarily join him to have discourse.

There is no "preparation". There is being well informed on a subject and not. If you are going to be publicly vocal about your opinions on something, you should know the other side's point of view equally as well if not even better.
Yup. The world needs people like crowder, people than can form an argument and defend it with facts. These kids need to learn this lesson sooner than later, if not they keep spewing the bs their sjw professors taught them and harm our society as a whole. It probably wont help the kids hes talking to, but I can only hope the kids standing around watching take something from this and start questioning the bullchit theyre being taught.
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Originally Posted By Carbonfibre⏩
Define

support and

tolerate.

in terms of rape.

What does it mean to you.










lmao

what a phucking moron.

only thing he can do is interrupt that 18 year old that owned him.
Steven gets emotional like a beta liberal in his "debates"

He is an emotional woman
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lmao @ the liberals in here saying "it's not fair he gets to talk about an argument he prepares for"
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Originally Posted By dozaman⏩
i love that crowder goes to college campuses to argue with naive 18 year olds. way to "own the libs" or whatever
Except that:
1) He doesn’t just set up on campuses. He’s set up on the street. He set up at the freaking Texas Deomcratic convention for one segment. He set up in front of the White House.
2) Even for the ones on campus, he doesn’t just limit it to students. I recall at least one where a professor came down and got involved.
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