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post 1563203171 10-08-2018, 01:58 PM
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The amount of gay men is definitely rising OP but relax it's not rising that fast.
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Originally Posted By tunafish01
Women logic: I love aggressive guys that make the first move

Guy makes the first move

Women: Sexual assault! You didnt have my consent!
This is because women think men are naturally gifted with the intuitiveness that they have. When in reality most men are oblivious to body language signals. This is why musicians and many athletes do better with women, because they understand energy and body language signals on a subconscious level. Don't be aggressive and make the first move without the green light. If you see a woman you like without giving you the signal, you gotta be "smooth" boss.
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Originally Posted By SweetPetals
I donno. I would say I was typically the aggressor in my single days, and going out and being around my friends I would say most typically cold approach or the men are pretty evenly. Then again this can be purely cultural. Most of my friends are black or Hispanic(I am both) and I have noticed it has pretty much always been more normal for us to cold approach, ask for numbers, etc.
I could maybe see it if we consider "aggressor" to be moving into the vicinity to let things happen.

But women being the first to kiss, or rub hands on a mans body, or grab ass or something? You know something that escalates the situation to more than shared time? That typically falls on the male. I also have to say, most people in ltr's are out of touch

Also, i have been hit on plenty of times but, again, typically its not the larger behavior ----> the male pursuing the female

Black and spanish are more aggressive though. I actually have a similar story.. Where i was at a festival and i just asked the girl a question on the bench and she just got up and followed me. She didnt do the physical stuff like i said. But allowed me to
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Originally Posted By redraider86
Like I said, there are one-offs and I'm sure it does happen. In my own personal, real life? No. I don't know one man in real life who has ever been accused of such a thing, nor a woman who has done the accusing. I'm also not associating with people who hire cracked out hookers for my lacrosse party teams, you know? Play stupid games.

I hope your prediction is right. I know this will make me seem like a pearl-clutcher which really isn't the case, but hookup culture is Very Bad. You don't stick your dick in a person who you do not trust. You don't get dicked down by a person you do not trust. It's just not that hard to make wise decisions with your genitals if the risk includes STIs, unplanned pregnancy, and crazy bishes throwing around assault allegations.
The universe is ultimately a balancing force, but I think this is where it's heading. Agreed about the hookup culture. Giving into the chaotic nature of the beast is what will ultimately lead to one's downfall.
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post 1563220481 10-08-2018, 05:46 PM
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Originally Posted By redraider86
Like I said, there are one-offs and I'm sure it does happen. In my own personal, real life? No. I don't know one man in real life who has ever been accused of such a thing, nor a woman who has done the accusing. I'm also not associating with people who hire cracked out hookers for my lacrosse party teams, you know? Play stupid games.
It's unsolicited cis-white-male opinion time!

I did know someone, personally, who was arrested for home invasion after his ex-wife flipped over all of her furniture and bounced her own head off the bathroom mirror. She claimed it "knocked her out", despite leaving a small smudge on the mirror and nothing else. This was treated uncritically by law enforcement and her new husband, and she was given an advocate by the local womens' center.

At trial, it became completely clear that there was undeniable evidence that he was not even in the same county. This caused her to panic on cross-examination and begin accusing the defendant of being a member of a white supremacist group and systematically murdering neighborhood cats for satanic cult reasons.

It became very clear that she was just saying whatever she'd seen on television that she knew made people Very Upset (TM) in ~1999: domestic violence, white supremacists, satanic cults. The judge left to get a glass of water, sarcastically yelled down the hallway that he had the case of the century, then walked back in to find that the prosecutor had decided to abandon the case. The judge apologized to the defendant and that was that, but the arrest was still humiliating and remains a matter of public record fifteen years later. None of this made the papers, other than a two-line court announcement when it was abandoned.

The accuser's apparent motive was that the state was coming after a small amount of unpaid child support, and she believed that by falsely imprisoning her ex-husband, she would not have to pay. The accuser then abandoned her new marriage and fled the United States for over a decade, believing that she would be arrested.

Even in high school, I went on a date with some girl, it went well, I hinted that we could make out, and she declined. That was it. Never so much as touched her. Didn't even ask twice. The next day, she told her friends I'd "tried to rape her". Turns out, she was bananas and spent the next year sitting behind me in every class we had together, loudly telling everyone how cute I was while claiming she'd become a lesbian.

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I don't think people who are merely "creepy" are being hit with false accusations, though. Every story I have ever seen along these lines is about money, revenge, or sympathy. I do think these things actually happen regularly to ordinary men going about their business, without fanfare, and that it's no secret that a lot of workplace behavioropenly encouragedby the recipient is twisted for money and revenge after layoffs or firings. I was nearly subpoenaed to testify for one of those, too, until I made it clear to the state labor rights investigator that it was bull**** and I knew it. Suddenly, they didn't care what I had heard and seen.

When we go through phases like we are now, where mere accusations become much more damaging, people who are less-than-stable aremuchmore likely to try to weaponize them. I do agree about trust, but people can disappoint you no matter what you thought you knew about them.
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I've only had to deal with genuine weirdos once or twice.
Still really sorry about that. I offered to pay for the windshield, tho.
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Originally Posted By ANumber1
It's unsolicited cis-white-male opinion time!

I did know someone, personally, who was arrested for home invasion after his ex-wife flipped over all of her furniture and bounced her own head off the bathroom mirror. She claimed it "knocked her out", despite leaving a small smudge on the mirror and nothing else. This was treated uncritically by law enforcement and her new husband, and she was given an advocate by the local womens' center.

At trial, it became completely clear that there was undeniable evidence that he was not even in the same county. This caused her to panic on cross-examination and begin accusing the defendant of being a member of a white supremacist group and systematically murdering neighborhood cats for satanic cult reasons.

It became very clear that she was just saying whatever she'd seen on television that she knew made people Very Upset (TM) in ~1999: domestic violence, white supremacists, satanic cults. The judge left to get a glass of water, sarcastically yelled down the hallway that he had the case of the century, then walked back in to find that the prosecutor had decided to abandon the case. The judge apologized to the defendant and that was that, but the arrest was still humiliating and remains a matter of public record fifteen years later. None of this made the papers, other than a two-line court announcement when it was abandoned.

The accuser's apparent motive was that the state was coming after a small amount of unpaid child support, and she believed that by falsely imprisoning her ex-husband, she would not have to pay. The accuser then abandoned her new marriage and fled the United States for over a decade, believing that she would be arrested.

Even in high school, I went on a date with some girl, it went well, I hinted that we could make out, and she declined. That was it. Never so much as touched her. Didn't even ask twice. The next day, she told her friends I'd "tried to rape her". Turns out, she was bananas and spent the next year sitting behind me in every class we had together, loudly telling everyone how cute I was while claiming she'd become a lesbian.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I don't think it has anything to do with being labelled "creepy", though. It's about money, revenge, or sympathy. I do think these things actually happen regularly to ordinary men going about their business, without fanfare, and that it's no secret that a lot of workplace behavioropenly encouragedby the recipient is twisted for money and revenge after layoffs or firings. I was nearly subpoenaed to testify for one of those, too, until I made it clear to the state labor rights investigator that it was bull**** and I knew it. Suddenly, they didn't care what I had heard and seen.

When we go through phases like we are now, where mere accusations become much more damaging, people who are less-than-stable aremuchmore likely to try to weaponize them. I do agree about trust, but people can disappoint you no matter what you thought you knew about them.
Yeah but #believewomen

Honestly though, I still can't wrap my head around just how retarded people are at the moment with all of this chit.Why exactly are women somehow incapable of being just as malicious/devious as men?. It's white knighting taken to the extreme. You cannot on one hand argue that men and women are the same and push for total equality between the sexes, whilst on the other hand hold women's allegations to a lower standard of proof. Does not goddamn compute.
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Originally Posted By Agentdark45
Yeah but #believewomen

Honestly though, I still can't wrap my head around just how retarded people are at the moment with all of this chit.Why exactly are women somehow incapable of being just as malicious/devious as men?. It's white knighting taken to the extreme. You cannot on one hand argue that men and women are the same and push for total equality between the sexes, whilst on the other hand hold women's allegations to a lower standard of proof. Does not goddamn compute.
With Ford/Kavanaugh, we've actually reached the point where people are arguing on my social media that the process of testifying is so traumatic that accusers should not be required to testify or to be subjected to cross-examination, despite this often beingthe onlyevidence.

These are people with graduate degrees. The only conclusion I can draw is that they are - literally, not Miscally - autistic and are simply, in good faith, unaware of how common lies actually are. One of my principle objections to universities handling sexual assault accusations internally is that academics are some of the most utterly socially oblivious people you'll find anywhere and that it isn't fair to either side. Narcissists and sociopaths are incredibly efficient at detecting well-meaning, credulous people and flogging the hell out of their good faith.
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Originally Posted By Agentdark45
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On topic: I do think it's largely overblown due to the MSM and rabid loudmouth twitterati mobs, IRL people aren't exactly getting #metoo'd on the daily. However I will say this: professional men aredefinitelywalking on eggshells in office settings.

I will explicitly self-censor and become the most PC mofo out there in front of women who I'm not already friends with because I can't afford to take a chance at offending the wrongwomyn, especially when any form of allegation these days is a death sentence for ones reputation.

I also feel like women are now hyper-aware of sexual harassment and some most definitely are just waiting to ruin a guys life over a misplaced stare a.k.a "the male gaze". Hence in the gym I'm not making eye contact with anyone.

It goes without saying that the above post is not an implication in anyway that sexual harassment does not occur/isn't a real problem.
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I'm already more or less at that point tbh
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Originally Posted By propreffered7
I could maybe see it if we consider "aggressor" to be moving into the vicinity to let things happen.

But women being the first to kiss, or rub hands on a mans body, or grab ass or something? You know something that escalates the situation to more than shared time? That typically falls on the male. I also have to say, most people in ltr's are out of touch

Also, i have been hit on plenty of times but, again, typically its not the larger behavior ----> the male pursuing the female

Black and spanish are more aggressive though. I actually have a similar story.. Where i was at a festival and i just asked the girl a question on the bench and she just got up and followed me. She didnt do the physical stuff like i said. But allowed me to
oh okay. I think it also depends on what you consider aggressive. I know a few of my friends enjoy making the first move on everything. I'm much more go with the flow but I dont have a problem approaching anyone or initiating anything. Or at least when I was single. My now husband talked to me first but I was more of the "aggressor" with everything else. Seeing as most of his former ladies were Hispanic he told me a lot of them actually were the initiators. He isn't shy or beta either. that's just how things went.


Personally, I dont see the problem. I think in the long run it can work because some men just are not exactly good with being initiators and some women like that, but more aggressive men might not want equally aggressive women.
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Originally Posted By NegativeX
I don't experience any of this BS in my day to day life or see it personally.

Turn off the TV, stop reading the news and then watch how much your overall perspective on life improves.
My thoughts exactly. Repped.
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Originally Posted By DolphinPilot
No. Refusing to talk to women for the rest of your life is not going to solve anything. The tide needs to be turned back to sane middle ground.
It will be. Bill Burr's comment on the #metoo thing was, "the lid was held on the pot of boiling water for so long that now it's just..." So it'll boil over and calm down in time.

It's one of the reasons that even in places like Australia where overall crime stats are dropping hugely, sexual assault stats are rising - because more women are reporting it. It was always happening, but now it's actually being reported by the victims. All this stuff in the workplace is just the side effects of that. "What? I can actually speak up now? Alright I will!" So molehills are built into mountains.

In a few years it'll settle down. More rapists will go to prison, and more normal decent guys will be able to talk to women again without anyone losing their sht.

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There’s a place between being aggressive and not talking to girls at all called “smooth”.

That’s where you want to be. Aggressive guys just give girls all the power and fuk it up for everyone. And aggressive guys only get laid a lot of they’re really good looking.
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Originally Posted By SweetPetals
oh okay. I think it also depends on what you consider aggressive. I know a few of my friends enjoy making the first move on everything. I'm much more go with the flow but I dont have a problem approaching anyone or initiating anything. Or at least when I was single. My now husband talked to me first but I was more of the "aggressor" with everything else. Seeing as most of his former ladies were Hispanic he told me a lot of them actually were the initiators. He isn't shy or beta either. that's just how things went.


Personally, I dont see the problem. I think in the long run it can work because some men just are not exactly good with being initiators and some women like that, but more aggressive men might not want equally aggressive women.
So youre saying that when you first dated your husband..

You put out the signals, asked him out, kissed him first, and escalated everything?

Im not even speaking about any of the other things regarding this. Just curious if that was your experience

Ive had girls graze my body walking by. Kind of like they were walking away and grazed my arm and then did a sexy walk.. But.. I cant say ive ever had a girl get physical hard first

Edit: wait, yes, i definitely have. But it was weird. It was more like a joke i think. Or maybe a girl has touched me at a club
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A little over exaggeration, but scarily close.

Been reported to HR 3 times for sexual harassment over the years.

1. I was joking in a with other vets and a dependa was offended got me in deep chit and I resigned shortly after. This was when I learned to be more careful and took this lesson to heart.

Then I became a manager in a mostly female environment.

2. First was for "flirting with a coworker" and it made a different girl "uncomfortable". Nothing in appropriate was ever said.
3. Was for checking out girl in a sexual manner... again not the girl that was allegedly looked at, but a fugly girl.

You should see the HR reports file. The world is a scary place now.
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Originally Posted By NegativeX
I don't experience any of this BS in my day to day life or see it personally.

Turn off the TV, stop reading the news and then watch how much your overall perspective on life improves.
Strong this. Only thing I watch on tv is sports and action movies. Can careless what’s going on that’s not important.
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Originally Posted By eod8989
It is though men walk on eggshells at professional environments i know because i work in one of the largest offices in my city. Obviously you are going to have certain men and women who talk to each other as coworkers because that is normal interaction but outside of that men do not get involved with the women at these places. Why would i lie on an internet forum?

Plus a lot of females are bosses at these places now you can't just say what you want or act like you would around the boys. You say one wrong thing and you're screwed. Even if you don't get fired the reputation will follow you forever.
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i think the often ridiculed and bashed mgtow is the next long-reaching road alot of western males will take
women dont even wanna meet real men anymore they just wanna get their quick ego massages and dopamine fuel via social media

modern day western culture is so dysfunctional and toxic that i cant imagine it continuing for that many decades longer before some type of collapse
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Originally Posted By propreffered7
So youre saying that when you first dated your husband..

You put out the signals, asked him out, kissed him first, and escalated everything?

Im not even speaking about any of the other things regarding this. Just curious if that was your experience

Ive had girls graze my body walking by. Kind of like they were walking away and grazed my arm and then did a sexy walk.. But.. I cant say ive ever had a girl get physical hard first

Edit: wait, yes, i definitely have. But it was weird. It was more like a joke i think. Or maybe a girl has touched me at a club
Yeah, I initiated everything even our first meet up. As time went on he started taking the lead more, but that happened naturally.

Some girls are more subtle and consider grazing, flirty eyes, etc "initiating". I always found that to be kind of dumb, because signs are not always obvious. I guess some people like it idk
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I wonder if Western men will come back to their women after hearing ~50 years of "you're a misogynistic rape supporter"?
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post 1563243061 10-09-2018, 12:05 AM
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Originally Posted By PisseninMisc
I highly doubt it.
The ones that strive to have high positions in power or social status will be more careful. The cucks and betas with nothing to lose except their last shreds of dignity, however, will still be the ones pursuing them.

Even Leo is avoiding women now, biggest playboy of the acting world:

"Model-magnet Leonardo DiCaprio 'didn't flirt with any pretty ladies at NYC party'... as actor is more 'careful' after Weinstein, Ratner and Piven accusations"

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbi...ty-ladies.html
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i think the often ridiculed and bashed mgtow is the next long-reaching road alot of western males will take
women dont even wanna meet real men anymore they just wanna get their quick ego massages and dopamine fuel via social media

modern day western culture is so dysfunctional and toxic that i cant imagine it continuing for that many decades longer before some type of collapse
Yeah, MGTOW is DEFINITELY what western society needs right now.
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post 1563243621 10-09-2018, 12:24 AM
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Originally Posted By Tomohokk
Yeah, MGTOW is DEFINITELY what western society needs right now.
What do you suggest?

It's not the best solution, but it's one nonetheless. I only apply MGTOW if I'm in the West.
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post 1563243721 10-09-2018, 12:29 AM
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Originally Posted By AwkwardRetard
What do you suggest?

It's not the best solution, but it's one nonetheless. I only apply MGTOW if I'm in the West.
To be realistic, men have stopped being men, and society has been attacked from within due to seeing this weakness. Men in recent years have become cucks / slaves to women (due to loneliness and strong desire of lust). This leads to white knighting, which in turn gives women a strong sense of entitlement and sees men as disposable, while she sees herself as irreplaceable. Loneliness and lust is something a true man must conquer in order to better his reality. This will prevent and conquer the slavery that has been self inflicted upon by men today, ultimately leading to their own downfall.
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post 1563244091 10-09-2018, 12:44 AM
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Agree dude
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You just have to look at the amount of WKing to know that’s not gonna happen. There will always be enough jaymzj mofos to stroke egos in a non-threatening, sycophantic way.
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