I work in healthcare, and im very kind... im a really kind nurse. I know lots of other kind people in my job and what we all have in common is either a hard life or mental health problems or both. Ive always thought the reason im so kind is because i cant bear to see others suffering because i know how it feels. A lot of tough things have happened in my life and ive also had severe depression in the past.
So basically wincy i think your post is spot on

Yep, most definitely. Not wearing my big tinfoil hat on the Misc but the signs are very clear on how western culture is undermining itself. I feel in some of decades we will see some serious **** hit the fan

Nope, psychopathy is mainly proven to be environmental, most psychopaths were abused as children

You are reading too much into it. It was a joke about how slooty women get men hard.

Agreed.

Yeah, but the original isn't meant as a joke - and plays right into the idea that people can use society as an excuse.

I'm going to be a bit blunt, because there is a TV show coming on that I want to watch...

I think you are being overlysimplistic.

I've been doing some on and off research into the effects of childhood trauma on temperament, and overwhelmingly not positive IMO.

In regards to violence... Shame and humilation seem to be the universal catalysts for violence. People who are easily prone to violence, tend to have very unstable self worth, and feelings of threat, shame or humiliation are very easily triggered (eg. by a look, a slightly raised voice, being in the presence of someone who they aren't sure if they could beat up, etc).

Based on what I've read, many violent career criminals were not given the kind of pampered backgrounds that someone might expect by the 'suffering creates good people' mantra.

FWIW, here are 2 articles on the link between Humilation, Shame and Violence...

https://www.jstor.org/stable/4097196...n_tab_contents

http://www.humiliationstudies.org/do...Y07meeting.pdf

James Giligan (the authour of the first article), lead an intervention team to help cut down the high level of serious violence and suicide in a psychiatric prison. He basically treated violence as a mental health issues, and began to treat the inmates fragile self worth, and trauma related to humilation and shame...

"RESULTS:
During the year before RSVP began, there were 24 violent incidents serious enough to have constituted felonies had they occurred in the community (roughly three per month) in the 62-bed dorm. During the first month RSVP was in effect there was one such incident; and for the following 12 months, there were none. During that same year, the control dorm that still followed traditional jail practices had 28 violent incidents."

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/...hare=nynyumlib

Also, the ACE test (Adverse childhood experiences test) is a predictor of a dysfunctional life...

"The CDC’s Adverse Childhood Experiences Study (ACE Study) uncovered a stunning link between childhood trauma and the chronic diseases people develop as adults, as well as social and emotional problems. This includes heart disease, lung cancer, diabetes and many autoimmune diseases, as well as depression, violence, being a victim of violence, and suicide.













https://acestoohigh.com/got-your-ace-score/


However, I agree with Sister Miriam James Heidland, that our hearts can be broken open (meaning we can become more benevolent, empathetic, and compassionate) by experiences of suffering, beauty and love. It's normally (in my personal experience, and from what I've heard and read from numerous people who have turned their character's around) is that beginning to process their suffering can open their hearts, but the suffering in and of itself doesn't automatically create a caring heart.

"If we do not transform our pain, we will most assuredly transmit it"- Richard Rohr

Conclusion:

It's better for a person to have benevolent, empathetic and compassionate parents, along with living in a low violent crime community, within a country that has established a general rule of law. "Hurt people, hurt people" as the saying goes - and the research is showing that.

Are you going to go supreme gentleman?

Adding to the above.

IMO an issue with incels, is that a lot of them seem to find it deeply shameful and humiliating to be a virgin or struggle with dating (understandable, a lot of men will shame other men for being virgins, or struggling with dating. Look at the misc for example).

Which is probably why a lot of them become bitter... As you seem to be increasingly becoming wincel. Especially with some of the previous comments you've made in other threads (eg. saying that 2 women having acid throw in their faces,"would honestly be an improvement and the best thing that could ever happen to them.").

I think you need to take a good hard look in the mirror dude. Though I think you wrote in a previous thread that being an incel has become a part of your identify, and has shaped you - and so you seem to be reluctant to earnestly try to change your psychology?

There are plenty of rich and attractive people who are miserable and have chitshows of lives. Just look at celebs.

Holy fukk.

https://forum.obnoxiousbrutes.com/showt...post1563165171

Wincel, I'm pretty sure I've said this before, but you need to talk to a professional.

I kinda have a stupid sense of humor and could see that comment as a sarcastic remark on them being so ugly that acid thrown on their faces would make them have plastic surgery that it would've been an improvement and not some type of hatred towards women.

winrar

Great sources bro

They were pretty girls, twins, who were offering to be joint wives for a rich dude.

To be fair, he has now said that it was a joke.

https://forum.obnoxiousbrutes.com/showt...post1563169141

That way of life can easily create self absorption, selfishness and narcissism, like you said. You live in the world of man never knowing anything else. Its happened over and over in our history all the way back to Kane & Abel. Eventually we were wiped out because of all this.

THIS.

My question to Wincel would be - how chit was your childhood versus your adulthood?

You see, i'm quite a compassionate, caring guy (akin to yourself), but I owe a lot of that to the suffering I've endured in my adultlife rather than my childhood. My childhood was actually fairly carefree, loving and I didn't experience anything close to hardship.

As a kid, if all you've known is pain, suffering and outright nasty kents, then that's ALL YOU KNOW. You have noexperienceof kindness and compassion, so how the fuk do you develop it? Well, what it means is that you have to experience it in adult life instead, but anyone who's an adult knows you're far less likely to experience care and compassion during your adult life than you will your childhood.

In short: I think you need to lay the ground-work for being a decent person and everyone needs a frame of reference for that, and obviously the best time for this is childhood.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3871837/

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4801766/

Ted BundyEd GeinAndrei ChikatiloEdward CullenWilliam Bonin

You just posted a couple of hand picked names, there are thousands of others... Also gambling, violence, poverty etc are all common occurrences in families, how the fuk does that prove that is was a direct correlation to their psychopathy?
and if anything it could further prove my point that they inherited these behaviours from their parents..

Here are actual studies on this
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2242349/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3387315/

Maybe a bad environment triggers extreme psychopathy but if a person has a stable mind then they will not fall victim to it, but a genetically fuked up person will eventually be evil because it's in their nature.

I'm not gonna lie and say I read all of the sources I posted lol but it's common sense to me, you can just tell that some kids are more fuked in the head from a young age, maybe they have a bad home but that doesn't automatically turn them evil.. A lot of these serial killers were decapitating animals when they were like 7.. Like how the fuk do you go from alcoholic father to skinning cats lol

People are depressed because of a chemical imbalance, they can be gays, kid/animal fukers and all that chit.. They might never act on it but the seed is there in their fuked up brain.. imo genetics are everything, the same way you can be gifted as a 6'6 super athlete you can also be gifted with a healthy, stable brain (which I think is the most important trait you can have in life).. Like I said, environment can trigger it but it's not the root cause.

This is just my opinion, I never studied this chit but I feel like it's common sense.

Few things:

I think isolation is the main culprit. Youll never see violence quicker than when you try to take someones voice away. Thats why if you ever deal with someone like that you gotta acknowledge their plight. Everyone wants their voice heard

Like right now, if i came to your home and tried to take your things away youd prob become violent. Id be constricting your power, youd feel helpless and act out

So, for instance, the psychopaths that grow up with abusive parents.. The parents take their voice away. Would only seem natural, imo, for the child growing up wanting to take power away from others. Humans love their individual autonomy

Competition has its place in here as well.Quote:https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4026979/

You're just talking out of your ass brah, "but a genetically fuked up person will eventually be evil because it's in their nature", wtf is evil by nature? If you were raised in a non-nurturing environment, your brain fails to develop emotionally which leads to lack of empathy, if the person is violent "by nature" (which I believe is genetic but also environment, if your dad is violent in front of you, you're more likely to be violent as well) then you end up with a criminal, maybe even a serial killer

I'm not gonna bother searching for more links but from a quick google search you will learn that most violent criminals come from broken homes

If I'm posting out of my ass then so are you.. If your dad is violent in front of you as a child then how can you prove that you're violent as well because of the environment or because you inherited those "violent genes" from your dad.. What about all the people raised in violent homes that turned out fine? I told you to post sources in my first post but you just posted a couple of serial killers..

I just googled serial killers with a good upbringing and found a list:

- Ted Bundy
- Paul Bernardo
- Jeffrey Dahmer
- Harold Shipman
- Steve Wright

Doesn't mean chit, you can't draw conclusions from something so vague like a good upbringing.. Especially since there are millions of people with a bad childhood that turned out fine, you probably know a few in your circle of friends or work that had what was considered a chitty upbringing but they don't go around killing people.. and when I say "evil by nature" I mean a psycho kunt, thought it was pretty obvious.

If we're assuming that we mean "violent criminal" by "bad people", wincel's original concern, that's a pretty narrow definition, but yeah.

Far more common is someone who is merely moderately personality disordered, and most of those people you'll encounter in real life are people whodidknow struggle, and instead of persevering, found some other bizarre coping mechanism to avoid doing the hard work. The narcissist expects others to tell them they are good instead of actually being good, and they lash out when they're confronted with it. The borderline rages against others for abandoning them but denies all accountability for their role in driving people away. It more or less parallels what I was quoting from the Enchiridion, 2,000 years ago, about the "vulgarity" of people who rely on the external instead of the internal to set themselves right.

That person having a glamorous life and getting everything they ever wanted is like a unicorn compared to the one who is a total disaster, constantly embroiled in their own drama and two steps from jail and the family and bankruptcy courts while they spread tall tales of their own moral perfection or perceived victimization. It works, until it stops working, and then they implode and have to move on to new prey when others realize what's going on and distance themselves.

TL;DR: Socioeconomic status is not a vaccine against being a piece of chit; it's not what you went through but how you dealt with it; and life eventually teaches you that anyone, anywhere, regardless of their background, can turn out to be a disappointing nutcase who lives in a fantasy world.

Lol just for fun checked Jeffrey’s wiki pageYou trying to prove yourself wrong boyo?

So lack of attention from parents turned him into a serial killer? You're just responding to some of my points and disregarding everything else.. Like I said in my original response to you:
"Maybe a bad environment triggers extreme psychopathy but if a person has a stable mind then they will not fall victim to it"
You're completely missing my point of how a chitty childhood doesn't automatically make a person into a serial killer but it increases the possibility of a person with a brain defect to act on those psychotic impulses.

Any little negative thing and you consider it a bad upbringing lmao? That means 90% of people had a bad childhood..
When I think bad childhood I think poverty, getting sexually abused, beaten etc.. There are negative aspects in everyone's upbringing, lmao at lack of attention.. My parents were always working and I don't remember seeing them when I was young, guess I should have been a serial killer then...

But you have no argument, you're just saying "it's genetics", where's the proof that it's genetics? There is solid evidence to suggest that it's mostly upgringing, not genetics.

Congrats you just specified why there are so many radical militant Muslims. They think you can not be a good person without suffering(having a chit life so you can die pure for god)

No you dont need to suffer to be a good person, but you do need good parents which most people dont have.

When you take for granted everything good you have the mundane becomes extreme. Enter the social justice warriors to make a big deal out of nothing.

and you're doing the same thing lmao. Read everything you wrote, it's just your fuking opinion man, you keep saying there's solid evidence of a matter that is highly complex yet you're not disputing my points, you're just repeating the same chit.. You didn't dispute the fact that there are serial killers with normal upbringing, you just said Jeffrey Dahmer had a bad upbringing when all it was was lack of attention as a child, I responded to that and again you repeat the same thing.. You did that to all my points, no response just that I have no argument and there is proof i'm wrong...

I just gave you a statistic that people that come from broken homes are more likely to be criminals (9x more likely to be exact), how do you dispute this? Oh their home must be broken because they have bad genes? That's not an argument boyo