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post 1568046691 12-07-2018, 09:59 AM
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Originally Posted By JUSA⏩
There is debate here, as I've stated my opinion and been blasted over it, but I always was under the assumption you measured your arms cold and unflexed. Pumped and flexing just adds too many variables which even for the same individual can drastically change in the same day.
rookie mistake m8, you measure flexed with no pump
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RIP opie
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Originally Posted By repsDTGdaily⏩
RIP opie
the one piece of good news was that my breh, with whom i have the $600 bet, sent me this and said it was him on november 13th and that he was bullchitting me about being in shape and had been eating cheese fries for a month straight while drinking heavily:



he had previously said he was in the best shape since middle school

then again, he might be trying to fake me out and that was from way back. no way of knowing, so i increased LISS to 3 hours a day lol
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Originally Posted By ayyy⏩
rookie mistake m8, you measure flexed with no pump
Why would you flex? Seems like just ego-measuring. Most of us don't walk around flexing all day long, when people normally see us, our arms are cold.

Oh and OP is killing that friend of his. I would warn him about too much LISS and not enough emphasis on diet, dropping calories too low and such but he won't listen, so I'll just leave it at the Good/Positive comment that his friend is looking way worse.

Some negativity, because I am who I am, I don't know your buddy but 95% of people who make random $600 bets like this will welch on them. That's just science.
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Originally Posted By Ratfish⏩
the one piece of good news was that my breh, with whom i have the $600 bet, sent me this and said it was him on november 13th and that he was bullchitting me about being in shape and had been eating cheese fries for a month straight while drinking heavily:

das it mane.

yeah that looks like a beer gut, lol. skinny fat. the problem with doing these challenges is that your discouragement comes in harder as you miss the goal. i would just stick to a plan and let things happen as they happen. biggest loser contestants pose the same issue. they do this **** for more than just themselves and wind up more often than not going back to their old ways because they made it too hard for themselves. Just keep going brehnuggets
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post 1568049321 12-07-2018, 10:31 AM
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Originally Posted By LexBrah⏩
Carbs wont make a difference to muscle retention.

Just stop fannying about and do things properly.

Everyone in this thread is giving you good advice and youre still doing the same old chit that you think works, but clearly doesnt.

We all want you to succeed. We're not giving you bad advice on purpose.
This. I’m a big fan of op, but the way he’s doing this cut seems autistic, shouldn’t be that hard. Hit the weights hard and cut out the pussy LISS bullchit
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Originally Posted By JUSA⏩
Why would you flex? Seems like just ego-measuring. Most of us don't walk around flexing all day long, when people normally see us, our arms are cold.

Oh and OP is killing that friend of his. I would warn him about too much LISS and not enough emphasis on diet, dropping calories too low and such but he won't listen, so I'll just leave it at the Good/Positive comment that his friend is looking way worse.

Some negativity, because I am who I am, I don't know your buddy but 95% of people who make random $600 bets like this will welch on them. That's just science.
i'm at 1600 calories of mostly protein. can't really cut anything else and increasing it is not gonna work. i can live with muscle loss since i have none anyway. the clean bulk is gonna be basically what i'm eating now with triple the carbs. the liss is working great since my heel is better and i'm back to a 2lbs drop per week. i think you can see why i'd be afraid of changing anything

he said he got to thailand and did exactly what i thought he would: went too hard, too soon and tweaked his back. he still says he's training 4 hours a day, and eating no carbs, so we'll see.

well, he does hail, from Welches, OR, srs so that's not a good sign
Originally Posted By Droopdx⏩
This. I’m a big fan of op, but the way he’s doing this cut seems autistic, shouldn’t be that hard. Hit the weights hard and cut out the pussy LISS bullchit
i'm doing an upper/lower split as well. LISS is awesome if you have tons of time. i'm paranoid about fukking up one of my already fukked knees doing some HIIT crap or something and then being straight fukked. i can walk forever though. the hours add up
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post 1568050711 12-07-2018, 10:45 AM
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Originally Posted By Ratfish⏩
i'm at 1600 calories of mostly protein. can't really cut anything else and increasing it is not gonna work. i can live with muscle loss since i have none anyway. the clean bulk is gonna be basically what i'm eating now with triple the carbs. the liss is working great since my heel is better and i'm back to a 2lbs drop per week. i think you can see why i'd be afraid of changing anything

he said he got to thailand and did exactly what i thought he would: went too hard, too soon and tweaked his back. he still says he's training 4 hours a day, and eating no carbs, so we'll see.

well, he does hail, from Welches, OR, srs so that's not a good sign



i'm doing an upper/lower split as well. LISS is awesome if you have tons of time. i'm paranoid about fukking up one of my already fukked knees doing some HIIT crap or something and then being straight fukked. i can walk forever though. the hours add up
Why can't you do HIIT on the bike or something low impact on your joints? LISS straight up sucks ass and I only use it when I walk my dog.
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Originally Posted By repsDTGdaily⏩
Why can't you do HIIT on the bike or something low impact on your joints? LISS straight up sucks ass and I only use it when I walk my dog.
i think it's too risky srs. how could LISS suck if it's all down to calories? worst case scenario is that it's inefficient. the math is inescapable: i must be creating an additional 500kcal deficit from it because i lose an extra lb a week doing it vs not.

i did a couple hours yesterday and 1 of them was when it was 35 degrees with a 20mph wind. that fukken sucked lol, but i bet it burned a few more calories. did 40 minutes this morning at about the same temp.
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Originally Posted By Ratfish⏩
i'm doing an upper/lower split as well. LISS is awesome if you have tons of time. i'm paranoid about fukking up one of my already fukked knees doing some HIIT crap or something and then being straight fukked. i can walk forever though. the hours add up
Why not use more of that free time in the gym hitting the weights? I don’t think I’ve seen you answer if you’re hitting your abs hard with a lot of core work.
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Originally Posted By Ratfish⏩
the one piece of good news was that my breh, with whom i have the $600 bet, sent me this and said it was him on november 13th and that he was bullchitting me about being in shape and had been eating cheese fries for a month straight while drinking heavily:



he had previously said he was in the best shape since middle school

then again, he might be trying to fake me out and that was from way back. no way of knowing, so i increased LISS to 3 hours a day lol
lmfao damn that dude is fat af, at least you'll get $600 out of this. You can't make significant headway from nov 13th to now when you start from there
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Originally Posted By Legz422⏩
Why not use more of that free time in the gym hitting the weights? I don’t think I’ve seen you answer if you’re hitting your abs hard with a lot of core work.
because doing so can't possibly burn more fat. i'm doing core work. i can feel all ab separations under my final flab layer distinctly srs
Originally Posted By iifymbro⏩
lmfao damn that dude is fat af, at least you'll get $600 out of this. You can't make significant headway from nov 13th to now when you start from there
he's the type to try to work some psyops on me, so i dunno what's true. i gave him an out, but he wants to stick to the 1st.
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Originally Posted By Ratfish⏩
i'm at 1600 calories of mostly protein. can't really cut anything else and increasing it is not gonna work.
Originally Posted By Ratfish⏩
i think it's too risky srs. how could LISS suck if it's all down to calories?
You're contradicting yourself here.

To point it out, here is a scenario. If it's *All* about calories, why aren't you eating 1,600 calories of chocolate ice cream every day?

The answer is pretty obvious but it also undermines your approach here.

Calories matter, in that you need to eat less, but it goes a lot deeper than that. You friend might make some good progress, if they're actually going low-carb. Be careful.
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Originally Posted By JUSA⏩
You're contradicting yourself here.

To point it out, here is a scenario. If it's *All* about calories, why aren't you eating 1,600 calories of chocolate ice cream every day?

The answer is pretty obvious but it also undermines your approach here.

Calories matter, in that you need to eat less, but it goes a lot deeper than that. You friend might make some good progress, if they're actually going low-carb. Be careful.
i don't doubt that he is since he's done it for long stretches in the past, but he hasn't done 4 hours of muay thai while doing it every day.

i told him what we should do instead is whoever doesn't have a fully visible 6 pack on may 1st pays the other guy 1000 so we stay dialed. maybe we'll do that after this one completes

i think i'll be there at the end of january srs
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There's no way in hell he is going to make it unless OP is in the gym running on a threadmill everyday for like 2 hours and eating almost nothing. Bodyfat still too high.
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Originally Posted By Burgerbuger⏩
There's no way in hell he is going to make it unless OP is in the gym running on a threadmill everyday for like 2 hours and eating almost nothing. Bodyfat still too high.
i think there's a chance i can hit 14% by the 1st
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Originally Posted By JUSA⏩
Why would you flex? Seems like just ego-measuring. Most of us don't walk around flexing all day long, when people normally see us, our arms are cold.
that's just the standard procedure, everytime you see someone post up a measurement there is a 99.999% chance they did it flexed
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Originally Posted By ayyy⏩
that's just the standard procedure, everytime you see someone post up a measurement there is a 99.999% chance they did it flexed
Oh, I agree, and it might suck if you put up a cold #, because it'll be 2" smaller than the flexing numbers, but at the same time I kind of cringe when guys with non-noteworthy arms claim to be 18". It's not really even lying, they honestly believe it.

No other measurement I can think of is flexed, you don't flex your pecs or flare out your back when you measure your chest, you don't suck in your gut when you measure your waist and so on.

Sure, the bro procedure is to inflate the number and flex your guts out right after arms day, but I would personally have a realistic idea of where I am at than fool myself.
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Originally Posted By Ratfish⏩
the one piece of good news was that my breh, with whom i have the $600 bet, sent me this and said it was him on november 13th and that he was bullchitting me about being in shape and had been eating cheese fries for a month straight while drinking heavily:



he had previously said he was in the best shape since middle school

then again, he might be trying to fake me out and that was from way back. no way of knowing, so i increased LISS to 3 hours a day lol
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Gonna have to agree that I don't think this 1660 calorie, hours of LISS plan isn't gonna work out. You will most likely continue dropping weight on the scale without much change in appearance. I'm rooting for you either way.
Originally Posted By JUSA⏩
No other measurement I can think of is flexed, you don't flex your pecs or flare out your back when you measure your chest, you don't suck in your gut when you measure your waist and so on.
Speak for yourself...I'm a 32 inch waist sucked. 34 unsucked. No way I'm telling anyone 34.
Originally Posted By JUSA⏩
Sure, the bro procedure is to inflate the number and flex your guts out right after arms day, but I would personally have a realistic idea of where I am at than fool myself.
Doesn't matter if you flex or don't flex. If you consistently measure one, you'll have an idea of progress. If you want to compare to others, you'll want to do what the majority is doing, which is flexing. There's nothing unrealistic about measuring that way, and it's more practical if you want to compare yourself to the masses.
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Damn, sounds like you're over complicating this chit. Old fashion crunches and sit ups. Little bit of running daily, and you'll see some results. Obviously not 6 pack territory but on the road to it. Good luck OP.
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Originally Posted By ko300zx⏩
Gonna have to agree that I don't think this 1660 calorie, hours of LISS plan isn't gonna work out. You will most likely continue dropping weight on the scale without much change in appearance. I'm rooting for you either way.



Speak for yourself...I'm a 32 inch waist sucked. 34 unsucked. No way I'm telling anyone 34.



Doesn't matter if you flex or don't flex. If you consistently measure one, you'll have an idea of progress. If you want to compare to others, you'll want to do what the majority is doing, which is flexing. There's nothing unrealistic about measuring that way, and it's more practical if you want to compare yourself to the masses.
exactly. precision is more important than accuracy

i can't be the only one on the LISS train
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Originally Posted By Uhyeahokay⏩
Damn, sounds like you're over complicating this chit. Old fashion crunches and sit ups. Little bit of running daily, and you'll see some results. Obviously not 6 pack territory but on the road to it. Good luck OP.
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We just need to ignore this self-inflicted ban bet.

You're actually right, or at least you're right for him to get to sub 15% (at which point, time to try more specific techniques, ones probably better spoken by leaner people than me). I think the major problem here is the time frame. I see the Oct1, Nov1 and then Dec1 progress and I'm thinking he's 3-6 months out. Trying to cram 14 weeks of cutting/dieting into a month is a good way to crash and burn, from my own past mistakes.
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Originally Posted By SeymourGains⏩
Also ratbish have you had your thyroid checked? Having dry skin can mean somethings off but im only a misc doctor and not irl doc
i don't think i could be hypothyroid with a waking temporal body temp of 98 degrees and tons of energy even when cutting. i have more than enough iodide, selenium and zinc in my diet

last time i had tsh tested, it was under 1
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Drive to Washington and buy some Bronkaid *******

Can't believe you bet $600 AND misc ban... and u won't even take the most effective fat burner available OTC
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Originally Posted By Ratfish⏩
i have the discipline to eat like that for however long, but i don't want my health to deteriorate. if i don't get the linoleate from grape seed oil, my skin dries out really bad and it looks like my face is melting off. i don't want to drop protein or the 80g of carbs for fear of losing the trace amounts of muscle i have.
Bro, you're not gonna lose lean body mass from dropping carbs. You might look flatter and feel worse, but that will go away once you start adding carbs again. It's time to PSMF this chit if you want to have a chance of making it.

I'm not even sure that you actually can lose lean body mass if you lift heavy and eat a lot of protein while cutting (unless you are sssssssuper jacked or something). I suspect that most of the "I lost muscles from cutting" people just overestimated the amount of LBM they have and severely underestimated their fat percentage. They start cutting, and once their subcutaneous fat starts going away and they get visibly smaller they start freaking out over "losing gains". Nah fam, you didn't have any gains in the first place.

If anyone thinks this is wrong, I'd love to see a study where people lifted heavy and ate sufficient protein while dieting and whether LBM was lost.
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Originally Posted By Kirra⏩
Bro, you're not gonna lose lean body mass from dropping carbs. You might look flatter and feel worse, but that will go away once you start adding carbs again. It's time to PSMF this chit if you want to have a chance of making it.

I'm not even sure that you actually can lose lean body mass if you lift heavy and eat a lot of protein while cutting (unless you are sssssssuper jacked or something). I suspect that most of the "I lost muscles from cutting" people just overestimated the amount of LBM they have and severely underestimated their fat percentage. They start cutting, and once their subcutaneous fat starts going away and they get visibly smaller they start freaking out over "losing gains". Nah fam, you didn't have any gains in the first place.

If anyone thinks this is wrong, I'd love to see a study where people lifted heavy and ate sufficient protein while dieting and whether LBM was lost.
Ok go eat at a severe deficit (with plenty of protein), lift heavy, and come back in 6 months to share your Auschwitz pics.

I'll make this simple for you:

Large, extended calorie deficits = less testosterone = muscle loss
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Originally Posted By TooAnabolic⏩
Ok go eat at a severe deficit (with plenty of protein), lift heavy, and come back in 6 months to share your Auschwitz pics.

I'll make this simple for you:

Large, extended calorie deficits = less testosterone = muscle loss
[Citation needed]

I'm happy to change my mind, but I'll need to see actual studies. It's not as simple as "Less testosterone = muscle loss".

For what it's worth, Alan Aragon seems to be saying the same thing I am. Read the text under the picture:

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Originally Posted By TooAnabolic⏩
Drive to Washington and buy some Bronkaid *******

Can't believe you bet $600 AND misc ban... and u won't even take the most effective fat burner available OTC
nah, i'd probably get a fukken atrial fibrillation and die.

homeboy is in thailand, so who knows what he's doing in a state of pure panic. hopefully he stays away from saunas at least
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