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Thread: If you take lifting seriously and you’re not lean, why the fuk aren’t you?

post 1568557291 12-13-2018, 11:49 AM
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Originally Posted By sandaltan⏩
does the twinkier physique win?

that study rustling a lot of cell tech users' jimmies. roids give you muscles, even with virtually zero effort? who woulda thought!
It seems the only person in here rustled is you
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Originally Posted By arn710⏩
It seems the only person in here rustled is you
oh snap
post 1568557561 12-13-2018, 11:52 AM
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Originally Posted By JUGGERNAUT1333⏩
Neither of you have any idea what you are talking about.

Yes, if you give a beginner "help", he is obviously going to experience a massive different in the amount of muscle he can put on compared to someone who doesn't. It is a completely different game when you are talking about veteran lifters who already have a lot of muscle mass.

You would not believe the amount of people at your gyms who use creatine and look like absolute chit. The ability to stay lean is LARGELY dependent on genetics. I've already stated that I have to remain 90% strict to remain lean. If I eat like crap, I look like crap. It varies widely by the person.

I am the first person to admit that creatine is an advantage. Why else would people use it? My issue is people acting like its some magic cool aid you drink and suddenly you're a Greek God. You people drastically over estimate the effects that it has, especially on veteran lifters. Newbies is a different story however.
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Originally Posted By leoslayer1⏩
That's really hard to believe given that enhanced gives you more lbm which in turn gives you a much higher bmr.

How can you refute that other than your experience which could just be a statistical outlier.
Refer to my last paragraph about enhancements. Also, if you're an experienced lifter, gainz are VERY slow to come by regardless of what supplements you use. There are countless others who can support my claims who have actual experience in this topic, especially Arn. The effects are nowhere near the same for a 10+ year lifter versus a 1-2 year lifter.
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post 1568557861 12-13-2018, 11:55 AM
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Originally Posted By sandaltan⏩
does the twinkier physique win?

that study rustling a lot of cell tech users' jimmies. roids give you muscles, even with virtually zero effort? who woulda thought!
Well, that would be the only way you might win a physique contest.

Interesting study, though.

It should give you some hope, the idea a non-lifting ******* can make gains just by shoving a needle up their ass. Plus, the change of pace when compared to the other objects routinely in that zone, in your case, couldn't hurt.
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post 1568557891 12-13-2018, 11:56 AM
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Originally Posted By JUGGERNAUT1333⏩
I've never once claimed natty. I built a solid base before even attempting the darkside however, so I have first hand experience.



For me.....it doesn't matter. I retain fat easily whether natty or not. I have to be very strict to keep my physique in check. It will give you more leeway IF, you are genetically leaner in the first place.

If we are talking about a 3-5% different in BF%, then yes I agree with you for the most part. Your first post came off as people turning into a fat cow if they hopped off, which was ridiculous and not accurate.

Your second post quoted above was worded much better, and I'll agree that there will be a BF% different, however, in your scenario, where diet stays the same, and the only thing you take away is creatine, a person will NOT go from shredded to fat slob. They will gain some BF yes, but they will not turn into a dad bod or anything.

Enhancements are exactly what they are called. Enhancements. They enhance who you already are. If you are someone who stores fat, is soft and doesn't lose weight easily, you won't suddenly turn into a lean, fat burning machine who can eat everything. Yes you'll have a easier road, but you will still be able to gain fat and it will take more work to get shredded than the person who is prone to be leaner in the first place.


EDIT: Also, in b4 thread lock. We are prob getting close to pushing the rules.
Agree, agree with your statements about genetics too, I think people underplay the effect of genetics in all areas of life, it's def true in terms of weight distribution too.
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post 1568557911 12-13-2018, 11:56 AM
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Originally Posted By leoslayer1⏩
That's true as well.

God I wish we had camera phones back then.


Hurry durrr where's the proof why can't I find it?

People didn't want to carry a news camera around to record videos all the time.

Film actually had to be developed so again people didn't just carry cameras around constantly.

Also we didn't really think these were great feats because lots of guys did it.

In my 3 years in hs I saw at least 4 guys bench 405.

I saw at least 10 guys bench over 300

Another 4 guys bench over 275.

All in HS except 1 405 bencher was the online coach who played center at Elon.
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Originally Posted By CaliSuperSport⏩
not even a VHS or a fukin polaroid pic brah?

Oil on canvas painting?

I am disappoint
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Originally Posted By allianc3⏩
Not buying it. I’ve never dieted in all my life, I eat takeout on average once a day and drink maybe 1-2x a month with friends. Have a GF and go out all the time, order whatever I want including dessert.

There’s a disconnect you’re not mentioning. It’s one thing to enjoy food and another to totally overeat all week long and wallow in self pity.
Genetics is a big factor. I wont even bring bicycles into the discussion.



I'm 5'8 and my natural weight hovers around 175lbs. I eat a higher calorie intake then friends that are 6'+ 230-250lbs. Assuming I want to bulk without getting excessively fat my diet has to be a lot more dialed in. Because while I need a fairly high intake, I just put on a ton of fat if I go full retard. Currently trying to hit about 200-210. Hopefully around will be at around 15-16% BF.


With that said I'm lucky I don't get fat AF and have to eat like 1500 calories like some other people seem to claim.
post 1568559111 12-13-2018, 12:09 PM
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Originally Posted By Silencespeaks⏩
Don’t want to be too lean. A bit softer looks better imo. I like where I’m at now and just want to maintain.
can confirm, SS looks better with just the first hint of cellulite
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post 1568559671 12-13-2018, 12:14 PM
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If you've never had to diet or been fat before, why the fuk u think you're entitled to make this thread ******* OP?
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Originally Posted By JUGGERNAUT1333⏩
The article did not give specifics on the individuals training history. If these were all novice lifters, none of this is surprising. A veteran natty lifter isn't gaining 4lbs in 10 weeks, and a veteran lifter natty or not isn't gaining 7lbs by sitting around doing nothing for 10 weeks.

For instance, take me and you.

Put us both on a protocol for 12 weeks, same supplements, same diet (adjusted for macros obviously), same training, you would gain probably 2x the muscle I would.
sure, i dont disagree with that. im just saying that whatever the training/experience the participants had, it was all the same. it wasnt like one group was experienced lifters and another was not. it sounded like the entire group of participants had some level of prior training, and none had taken aas before
post 1568559761 12-13-2018, 12:16 PM
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Originally Posted By allianc3⏩
What’s the excuse? Why dedicate yourself to the gym, only to hold onto completely unnecessary body fat?

Inb4 I want to hit x,xxx total. That’s a goddamn excuse, do it while maintaining a healthy balance.

Most people don’t make lifting a priority to find a coping mechanism to remain fat, it’s totally ass backwards. The only legitimate excuse is if lifting is somehow your career and the extra body weight is necessary for your competitiveness.
Some people care more about being big and strong. We all have different goals, I guess. The real answer is that they don't have the discipline to diet and cut though.
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Originally Posted By JUSA⏩
Who the fuk can gain still gain 4lbs in 10 weeks? Makes me think this study was looking at guys who had not been lifting too long. That's nearly 1lb/month, which if you've been lifting for even a little bit outside of the Newbie Honeymoon period, just try and add 1lb/month and not get fat after 1/2 year of that.
I'm thinking a complete newbie/untrained individual.
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post 1568559861 12-13-2018, 12:17 PM
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Originally Posted By JUSA⏩
Who the fuk can gain still gain 4lbs in 10 weeks? Makes me think this study was looking at guys who had not been lifting too long. That's nearly 1lb/month, which if you've been lifting for even a little bit outside of the Newbie Honeymoon period, just try and add 1lb/month and not get fat after 1/2 year of that.
dunno man, it sounded like all participants hadsomelifting/exercise experience, and none had taken aas before.

4 lbs of LBM with diet and training in 10 weeks doesnt sound too crazy to me, although that would be tough for me personally since im a twinky hard gainer on a lifelong bulk
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Originally Posted By sandaltan⏩
sure, i dont disagree with that. im just saying that whatever the training/experience the participants had, it was all the same. it wasnt like one group was experienced lifters and another was not. it sounded like the entire group of participants had some level of prior training, and none had taken aas before
Fair enough. I don't disagree to the advantages, but studies like this promote the idea that it's some kind of superhuman advancement, which it isn't
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Originally Posted By sandaltan⏩
the group that took roids and DIDNT exercise gained 7lbs LBM
!!!
Numbers seem off, but it's true, someone would put on muscle and effectively drop bodyfat% as a result, even if they don't lose bodyfat, but instead gained LBM.

LBM is a weird term though, because water is LBM... wanna drop your bodyfat% significantly nearly instantly? Drink a gallon of water
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Originally Posted By JUGGERNAUT1333⏩
Fair enough. I don't disagree to the advantages, but studies like this promote the idea that it's some kind of superhuman advancement, which it isn't
i dunno, the study is just showing the numbers. how people interpret them or what they conclude about those numbers is probably subjective in some way. although i dont recall exactly how the study measured the 4, 7, 13lbs of LBM (ie just simple weight gain or bodyfat levels taken into account etc, like the person only gained 3 lbs overall, but they lost 10lbs of fat = 13 lbs LBM gained or however the math works out)
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Originally Posted By JUGGERNAUT1333⏩
Dude, a natty lifter would prob sell his left testicle for 4lbs of lean muscle in 10 weeks.
you're probably right, i dunno!

maybe not worth a testicle though! i like mah ballz
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Originally Posted By sandaltan⏩
i dunno, the study is just showing the numbers. how people interpret them or what they conclude about those numbers is probably subjective in some way. although i dont recall exactly how the study measured the 4, 7, 13lbs of LBM (ie just simple weight gain or bodyfat levels taken into account etc, like the person only gained 3 lbs overall, but they lost 10lbs of fat = 13 lbs LBM gained or however the math works out)
It says FFM which would include water I believe. You also left out the group that was natty and didn't lift at all which gained 2lbs
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Originally Posted By CaliSuperSport⏩
not even a VHS or a fukin polaroid pic brah?

Oil on canvas painting?

I am disappoint
We didn't own a VHS camera in the 80s. They were expensive AF.

I remember when my dad broke down and got a VCR.

I lost almost all of my mementos in Hurricane Fran.

I essentially lost everything I owned.

Almost every picture of the girls I banged were cut to ribbons by a girl I was dating and then my ex fng wife cut up a couple more.

We just didn't see these things as special. We were all trying to make it to college and we had lifting and running sessions 5 days a week year round.

When everyone was having fun in Summer we were at the school every night from 5 to 8.

We all had weight training for a class so we could lift in the morning and run/plyometrics and abilities everyday after school till 6.
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Originally Posted By CaliSuperSport⏩
not even a VHS or a fukin polaroid pic brah?

Oil on canvas painting?

I am disappoint
You know the rules... cave paintings or it didn't happen

jk lol
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Originally Posted By FFailed⏩
It says FFM which would include water I believe. You also left out the group that was natty and didn't lift at all which gained 2lbs
yes
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Originally Posted By sandaltan⏩
yes
Another interesting part about that study is the group they used for exercising while natty started off being heaver, having larger muscles and being stronger by a pretty decent margin than any of the other groups.

The natty exercise group started off with almost a 25% higher back squat average than anyone else.

Its like they took a bunch of beginner timothys for every other group and then stuck Chad in the natty/exercise group with baseline muscle size bigger than the group on the sauce after 10 weeks.
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Good points ITT.

Lack of commitment from my part. A few excuses: being very lean at 5'8 u feel very small lol. Also i just started a new job so i feel like i need the calories. But once im accustomed i feel like i can drop the cals. Another thing is of course strength gains.


My buddy has been prodding me to go on his diet of turkey skillet lol. Says 45 min of prep for 5 days of meals.

Im 175 right now and once i start my cut ill drop down to 160 and see if im satisfied there. Ive been in the high 40s when i was younger and while the face looks great i looked dyel in clothing lol, which is the same case for my friend who is 6'1 160 shredded.
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Originally Posted By JUGGERNAUT1333⏩
Refer to my last paragraph about enhancements. Also, if you're an experienced lifter, gainz are VERY slow to come by regardless of what supplements you use. There are countless others who can support my claims who have actual experience in this topic, especially Arn. The effects are nowhere near the same for a 10+ year lifter versus a 1-2 year lifter.
This. Also the law of diminishing returns kicks in pretty quickly as well.
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this thread = cope cola

get to 11% bf then you can do proper bulk/ cut cycles.

if you just keep bulking for years
you are just a fat fuk making no progress.. yet you think you are a bodybuilder lmfao

ive realized this myself... if you never cut to low bf, you don't even lift #truth
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I have a very naturally lean physique, plus I’m not a big eater so I have abs all year round and I’m vascular. Even when I was at my largest (190lb at 6’2) I still had well defined abs. Although my abs aren’t as defined as when I took my profile pic 3 years ago. Maybe this summer I’ll aim to be really lean again.
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