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post 1570854011 01-10-2019, 07:18 PM
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Originally Posted By AlwaysFocus⏩
The scenario is, somebody gets mad at you for whatever reason, a percieved cut off or whatever, calls the cops on you reports your license plate, you go home start watching hockey or football game with a couple brewskis/cocktails and boom DUI
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Whoever wrote that article has literally zero clue and should be fired on the spot for that article.
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Originally Posted By kingofturtles⏩
They can stop you and demand that you give a breath sample. They will do this while you are in your car. Tbh, they always could have done this. All they needed was suspicion and you were forced to blow. Very easy to “make up” suspicion if the cop was a pig.

Never ever will you be made to blow “2 hours after your in your house”. Stop spewing nonsense. They wouldn’t even make you blow 2 mins after you entered your house because you need to have continuity of the person the whole time to prove they haven’t drank anything in between driving and the test.

Your totally reading into this wrong and have no idea how the law works.
Not only this, but if the police comes knocking at your door, simply don't answer.
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You guys return bottles to the beer store??
Explain this.
In Ontario, we buy beer the Beer Store or the LCBO, and from a few authorized grocery stores. We pay a deposit on all alcohol containers (bottles, cans, wine bags, etc) and we return it the beer store to get our money back.

Bums make a killing from this
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Originally Posted By kingofturtles⏩
Lmao. No. Stop talking. I am tempted to neg you for even posting this
Originally Posted By kingofturtles⏩
Whoever wrote that article has literally zero clue and should be fired on the spot for that article.
I took the scenario from the article. Are you saying that the article is not true and that those laws do not exist? Why is there more than one article on this? Why is there an active outrage on this?

Strong anger over facts.


And just lol if you dont think this wont get abused.

It will be a different kind of "swatted" where instead of calling in a made up story of person with a gun in their home threatening their family and then their house gets raided now you can call in a suspected drunk driver when you know theyve gone home to watch the hockey game with a 12 case. And now somebody who doesnt drink and drive is in trouble because somebody doesnt like them.

Its a dumb law change and is going to cost an innocent person legal fees.
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Originally Posted By startingat56⏩
OK people .... behave


the change in the law allows a cop to demand a breath sample from anyone pulled over for any reason, unlike before when they had to have reasonable suspicion to request a breath sample. This removes the gray area of why the breath sample was requested, which got some cases thrown out by good lawyers. If you get pulled over for a broken tail light, you can be asked to take a breath sample, and if you refuse, you get a charge equivalent to DUI

I'm OK with this as people who drink and drive are effen ashpoles

the ability to convict someone two hours later, after they have left the vehicle, would be tested in court and fail.
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I've already given plenty of female cops a sample of my breath, if you know what I mean.
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DUI laws invasive and draconian?

Colour me shocked.
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Exception

(4) No person commits an offence under subsection (3) if

(a) they consumed the drug or the alcohol or both after ceasing to operate a motor vehicle or vessel, or after ceasing to operate or assist in the operation of an aircraft or railway equipment or after ceasing to have the care or control of a motor vehicle, a vessel, an aircraft or railway equipment; and

(b) after ceasing the activities described in paragraph (a), they had no reasonable expectation that they would be required to provide a sample of a bodily substance.
So you shouldn't be convicted over nothing, but you will still lose your license for 3 months, vehicle for 3 days, and have breathalizer ignition installed when charged, not when convicted.
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Originally Posted By JoeDelts⏩
Any lawyer would be able to shred a drunk driving charge based on blowing over at home. Someone did tell me a story once about a guy who was driving after drinking and got into an accident. I don't remember the details of the accident (if there was even another car involved or if he just hit a road sign or something) but supposedly he took off and went home and started drinking. The cops came to his house and he answered the door with a drink in his hand and admitted it was him. He told them he was so shaken he had a few drinks to calm his nerves but he was sober when he was driving and they couldn't prove he wasn't. I'd guess this law was meant to prevent people gaming the system like this.
Dude probably got hit with a hit and run though
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Originally Posted By AlwaysFocus⏩
I took the scenario from the article. Are you saying that the article is not true and that those laws do not exist? Why is there more than one article on this? Why is there an active outrage on this?

Strong anger over facts.


And just lol if you dont think this wont get abused.

It will be a different kind of "swatted" where instead of calling in a made up story of person with a gun in their home threatening their family and then their house gets raided now you can call in a suspected drunk driver when you know theyve gone home to watch the hockey game with a 12 case. And now somebody who doesnt drink and drive is in trouble because somebody doesnt like them.

Its a dumb law change and is going to cost an innocent person legal fees.
Yes. I am saying that article and that scenario is 100% false. There is no way ever that a police officer will demand a breath sample from you in your house because of an erratic driving complaint, or any type of
Complaint. If the article is saying this then the article is 100% wrong. An officer needs continuity either from himself or witnesses that alcohol was not added after the driving occurred.

Yes, you can charge someone with impaired driving (bc doesn’t even do this anymore, they don’t really go criminal code anymore) if you belive they have driven a vehicle
While intoxicated within the last 3 hours, but unless there is 100% continuity of the driver and they did not consume anything after driving it won’t work.

Here’s a question. Even if this WAS possible. How do you prove the guy who opens the door was even driving?
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Originally Posted By TBO1313⏩
So Trudeau wants to legalize green plants but if your caught drinking at your house you could be arrested????
Lol sucks, huh? Maybe no one should be using force of law to **** with people enjoying their drug of choice in the privacy of their own home.

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I know a guy in town who quit drinking ten years ago. I seen him in the bar at around midnight , and he was playing Keno for something to do.
He was drinking orange juice , and at around 2am the cops banged on his door wanting a breath sample.
He’s like wtf ? And the cops were like , well we seen your truck parked in front of the bar .
He explained to the officers that he was bored and comes down to the bar to play keno on occasion, even though he doesn’t drink .
He never got an impaired obviously, but it’s just the thought of some cops getting you out of bed and hassling you in the middle of the night
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I would imagine the intent of this is to prevent the cases where they follow a drunk driver home, and he runs into his house. Previously there was nothing the police could do.
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Originally Posted By Sikhveins⏩
Just saw a video of cops in Van in buses spying on drivers and notifying back up which car to pull over. They got a soccer mom in a minivan for texting n driving.


Jeez seems really invasive, I thought we had it bad in Washington.
What is wrong with cutting down and penalizing texting and driving? Do you have a better suggestion, or do you think that using a cell phone while driving is OK?
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Originally Posted By Frank
I would imagine the intent of this is to prevent the cases where they follow a drunk driver home, and he runs into his house. Previously there was nothing the police could do.
Yes there was. It’s called fresh pursuit. An officer can go into any residence if they are following someone who committed a crime and they run inside the house. It’s not like a safe zone like ppl think.
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Originally Posted By engj⏩
What is being referred to here is S.320.14 C.C., the offence for impaired driving, and in this case through the mechanism of 'over 80'.

It's illegal to be over 80 within two hours after driving, butNOT if you consumed the alcohol after driving, you had no reasonable expectation that you would be required to provide a breath sample, and your BAC is consistent with alcohol consumed post driving. It was introduced in response to a few high profile cases where people had hit and run while drunk, raced home and started pounding alcohol 'to calm myself after the accident' to avoid conviction.

So if you did nothing wrong and had no reason to be suspected, you can legally take shots in your garage after stepping out of your car. Still complete bullsh*t because it puts the onus on the accused to prove he had no reasonable expectation to be breathalyzed within 2 hrs of driving.

In 4 years Liberals have killed the rights to probable cause, fair disclosure in court (C51), and now presumption of innocence.

And the same morons cheering this stuff called Harper the Fascist.
If you sideswiped a parked car on the way home from the pub, its reasonable to think that you might be breathalyzed.
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Originally Posted By getbig_ttt⏩
Not only this, but if the police comes knocking at your door, simply don't answer.




In Ontario, we buy beer the Beer Store or the LCBO, and from a few authorized grocery stores. We pay a deposit on all alcohol containers (bottles, cans, wine bags, etc) and we return it the beer store to get our money back.

Bums make a killing from this
we have privatized bottle depots in AB, In SK I believe it was run by the provincial government, and usually employed mentally challenged/handicapped people. I preferred taking my bottles to SARCAN in SK TBH. I feel I get ripped off (and probably am) in AB.
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Originally Posted By AlwaysFocus⏩
I took the scenario from the article. Are you saying that the article is not true and that those laws do not exist? Why is there more than one article on this? Why is there an active outrage on this?

Strong anger over facts.
Not sure if srs. You really have that hard a time comprehending that media might be reported something inaccurately?
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Originally Posted By TheJediBrah⏩
Not sure if srs. You really have that hard a time comprehending that media might be reported something inaccurately?
Nope. But the guy who replied to me thought I made it up. The laws changed. Police can be *******s. I just thought Id make the OP to aware others on the law change.
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Originally Posted By Frank
What is wrong with cutting down and penalizing texting and driving? Do you have a better suggestion, or do you think that using a cell phone while driving is OK?
kinda creepy that somebody who upholds the law stands inside of a public bus staring into people's vehicles. I mean at this point why not just have a government camera installed into your vehicle to make sure you dont pick your nose?
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Originally Posted By AlwaysFocus⏩
kinda creepy that somebody who upholds the law stands inside of a public bus staring into people's vehicles. I mean at this point why not just have a government camera installed into your vehicle to make sure you dont pick your nose?
Creepy? Do you get creeped out when someone sitting on a bus looks at you?
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Originally Posted By AlwaysFocus⏩
Nope. But the guy who replied to me thought I made it up. The laws changed. Police can be *******s. I just thought Id make the OP to aware others on the law change.
Where did I say you made it up? Assuming your talking about me.
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Originally Posted By Frank
Creepy? Do you get creeped out when someone sitting on a bus looks at you?
no but i get creeped out if somebody is standing in a position for the purpose of staring into my vehicle to make sure I dont text and drive. If they were staring at me like these pigs do Id get creeped out.

Its fukkin weird. Its one thing to stand at the intersection outside.
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Just so laughable how these ideas are even presented with a straight face let alone passed to law. SMFH.
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Just so laughable how these ideas are even presented with a straight face let alone passed to law. SMFH.
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Originally Posted By Frank
we have privatized bottle depots in AB, In SK I believe it was run by the provincial government, and usually employed mentally challenged/handicapped people. I preferred taking my bottles to SARCAN in SK TBH. I feel I get ripped off (and probably am) in AB.
Yes, the Beer Store in Ontario is a private corporation and the LCBO is a crown corporation. I think they should force grocery stores to accept the empties back. Either way, I live in a big city and there's always someone looking in my recycle bin.
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