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Thread: Trump has concealed details of his meetings with Putin from senior officials

post 1571052331 01-13-2019, 08:27 AM
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Originally Posted By OPGenesis⏩
2016: This is starting to snowball

2017: Snowballing

2018: Really snowballing

2019: Still snowballing
2024: We did it! He’s finally out of office!
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Originally Posted By beowulf10⏩
He doesn’t have to be on their payroll to be influenced by them. It could be a more subtle influence. The Russians have a long history of coercing greedy, vain, and egotistical people like Trump. It could be as simple as buying his properties, loaning him money, putting him into compromising situations, and so on.

I think it’s far more likely he is an unwitting agent, in that his ego blinds him to the reality of the influence he is experiencing.

And most Trump supporters in this thread are spending a lot of time insulting his critics but still seem unable or unwilling to articulate a convincing explanation as to why Trump is trying so hard to hide his conversations with Putin. What does he have to hide?
What has Russia gained so far since Trump was elected?
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Originally Posted By Dave22reborn⏩
What has Russia gained so far since Trump was elected?
How fast trumper lines are forgotten - don’t you know Hillary was going to start ww3 with Russia?
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Originally Posted By Dave22reborn⏩
What has Russia gained so far since Trump was elected?
Russia’s chief adversary is experiencing great problems, we are fighting each other, and we are abandoning our allies.

This is how they do things. This is what they did during Soviet times, except in this case the population they are inspiring to reject American values are Authoritarian minded people who consider national emergencies to be more important than the constitution.
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Originally Posted By dabbmw2002⏩
As opposed to donating money to the Clinton foundation, or getting 500k for a speech.
I’m glad she wasn’t elected. And I was initially happy and optimistic when Trump won. I thought the elites needed a wake up call just like everyone else.

And these are valid criticisms to which we should also accept when they are applied to Trump.
I would give you more credence if there weren't two different standards. As for why he would want his conversations private..... there are a million reasons. But if you think he was being manipulated by bribery or blackmail, even having translator present would be to big a risk. It would be interesting to have the translator subpoenaed and forced to testify, and when he says nothing of real interest, it will be on to the next angle. ...and the next, and the next until your little coup is complete
I look forward to the translator testifying.

As for as impeachment goes, let the facts guide us. But count me as extremely skeptical he isn’t involved in significant wrongdoing.
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post 1571053601 01-13-2019, 08:52 AM
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Originally Posted By Dave22reborn⏩
Damn, just like TrapStar, you are truly losing it.

One minute he's Hitler, the next, a Russian agent?
Who cares about whether I have lost it.
I will state it again, the citizens are going to find out the truth. As much as y'all hate when we say that .

Fortunately we have gone too far down this road for details the be suppressed
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Originally Posted By dabbmw2002⏩
If significant wrongdoing is exposed, so be it but nothing after two years you can't blame me for being skeptical.
I don’t blame you or anyone else for being skeptical. I think it’s good to be skeptical.

I am extremely critical of people who want to shut down an investigation which would reveal the truth, whether he did something wrong or not.
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Originally Posted By beowulf10⏩
Russia’s chief adversary is experiencing great problems, we are fighting each other, and we are abandoning our allies.

This is how they do things. This is what they did during Soviet times, except in this case the population they are inspiring to reject American values are Authoritarian minded people who consider national emergencies to be more important than the constitution.
Quite the laundry list there for such a puppet.

I noticed you couldn't list one single thing specifically.
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Originally Posted By beowulf10⏩
I don’t blame you or anyone else for being skeptical. I think it’s good to be skeptical.

I am extremely critical of people who want to shut down an investigation which would reveal the truth, whether he did something wrong or not.
The people who want that think the investigation is corrupt. They don't want to shut it down because they are afraid Trump actually did what his political opponents are accusing him of doing, they think the investigators are working for those political opponents to take him down.
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Originally Posted By iifymbro⏩
The people who want that think the investigation is corrupt. They don't want to shut it down because they are afraid Trump actually did what his political opponents are accusing him of doing, they think the investigators are working for those political opponents to take him down.
So you think they will fabcriabte evidence, take it to a jury, and the jury will believe it? That’s the fear? Proof?
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Originally Posted By dabbmw2002⏩
Yes. Dossier.
I haven’t followed the talking points here - but is there a claim now that things in it were fake and lied about knowingly?
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Originally Posted By miscinbro⏩
So you think they will fabcriabte evidence, take it to a jury, and the jury will believe it? That’s the fear? Proof?
Yes, correct. Jury are just regular (read: stupid, ignorant, easily fooled) people. Juries are also chosen, the location the trial takes place is chosen and so the pool of jurors is chosen before they are even assembled, etc.
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Originally Posted By iifymbro⏩
The people who want that think the investigation is corrupt. They don't want to shut it down because they are afraid Trump actually did what his political opponents are accusing him of doing, they think the investigators are working for those political opponents to take him down.
That's awesome. No collusion, no hiding meetings, no presidential impropriety, but... definitely deep state working to take the president down. Ok then.
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Originally Posted By iifymbro⏩
Yes, correct. Jury are just regular (read: stupid, ignorant, easily fooled) people. Juries are also chosen, the location the trial takes place is chosen and so the pool of jurors is chosen before they are even assembled, etc.
Oh the irony.
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Originally Posted By iifymbro⏩
Yes, correct. Jury are just regular (read: stupid, ignorant, easily fooled) people. Juries are also chosen, the location the trial takes place is chosen and so the pool of jurors is chosen before they are even assembled, etc.
I personally don’t like juries much, but so far I’m not seeing any credible claim that mueller and co. are just making up lies.
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So just to sum up here.

-Trump's admin has apparently been leaking info about the President left and right to the liberal media. "Anon source, inside the admin, people close" Basically every NYT tabloid trash article starts that way.
-The two most powerful people in the world have a closed door meeting with just their interpreters present. Trump exits the meeting and doesn't know who too trust so he doesn't tell anyone exactly what happens, because I'm sure a lot of it was classified and dealing with issues most of the common populace isn't equipped to understand.
-Trump orders interpreter to destroy any evidence of what was discussed so that if there is a leak there are only 3 people it could come from. Putin, His interpreter, or Trump's interpreter.
-Unhinged ignorant leftists predictably lose their collective chit again over yet another non-issue, thereby proving to the rest of the country that they almost certainly shouldn't be allowed to vote and definitely should be thrown into mass asylums for the clinically insane.
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can the left just drop the russian issue. i am so fuking tired of russia collusion no one gives a chit. he is the president he can do watever he wants. i hope he did collude with russia because i know it will keep all you libtards up at night frothing at the mouth
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Originally Posted By AreolaBorealis⏩
can the left just drop the russian issue. i am so fuking tired of russia collusion no one gives a chit. he is the president he can do watever he wants. i hope he did collude with russia because i know it will keep all you libtards up at night frothing at the mouth
This, but 100% unironically.
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Originally Posted By iifymbro⏩
The people who want that think the investigation is corrupt. They don't want to shut it down because they are afraid Trump actually did what his political opponents are accusing him of doing, they think the investigators are working for those political opponents to take him down.
Trump appointed federal judges dont think the investigation is corrupt, the Supreme Court doesnt think the investigation is corrupt.

I'll trust the professionals who have actually seen the redacted material over a bunch of Trump loving ideologues
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How has he handled meetings with other world leaders? Is this different? To what extent do his interactions with Putin deviate from his interactions with other world leaders?
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Originally Posted By Holyfenix⏩
So just to sum up here.

-Trump's admin has apparently been leaking info about the President left and right to the liberal media. "Anon source, inside the admin, people close" Basically every NYT tabloid trash article starts that way.
-The two most powerful people in the world have a closed door meeting with just their interpreters present. Trump exits the meeting and doesn't know who too trust so he doesn't tell anyone exactly what happens, because I'm sure a lot of it was classified and dealing with issues most of the common populace isn't equipped to understand.
-Trump orders interpreter to destroy any evidence of what was discussed so that if there is a leak there are only 3 people it could come from. Putin, His interpreter, or Trump's interpreter.
-Unhinged ignorant leftists predictably lose their collective chit again over yet another non-issue, thereby proving to the rest of the country that they almost certainly shouldn't be allowed to vote and definitely should be thrown into mass asylums for the clinically insane.
So your contention is you think him and Putin are having confidential talks and wouldn't want that leaked to the NYT? What has the NYT printed in the past that was classified in the Trump administration?
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Originally Posted By dabbmw2002⏩
Here we are two years into Russian collusion where Russia is the devil, at the same people who suspect Russia of meddling used Russian supplied information to spy on Americans.....the irony is stunning.

Meanwhile the target of the fisa warrants has been charged with nothing, despite the predicate for FISA warrant being probable cause that he is a foreign agent. Awesome. I remember when civil liberties were important...
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Originally Posted By vickissick07⏩
Quite the laundry list there for such a puppet.

I noticed you couldn't list one single thing specifically.
Well, to begin with Trump’s people tried to end sanctions:

https://www.newsweek.com/trump-white...s-putin-619508

Then Trump’s people tried to delay sanctions which Congress demanded:

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-u...-idUSKBN1HN20O

Now Trump’s people are trying to end or reduce sanctions against people like Deripaska under the pretense that the act of Deripaska giving up shares of his company to a Kremlin affiliated bank, also under sanctions, is sufficient to warrant the removal of sanctions against Deripaska’s company.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/19/u...sia-trump.html

Then you have really strange incidents such as Trump repeating Russian propaganda about Afghanistan:

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/ar...nistan/579361/

Then you have Trump trying to abruptly pulling out of Syria which is to the benefit of Russia:

https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/is...ts-say-n950111

In general, Trump’s approach to foreign policy benefits Russia. Russia has no interest in the rules-based international order the United States and its allies built after WWII, organizations like NATO, the United Nations, the European Union and so on. All these things are obstacles to Russia. The thugs in charge of Russia do not care about Democracy, the Rule of Law, Individual Rights, and resolution of disputes with foreign countries through compromise and diplomacy, all the things citizens of Western countries take for granted. Trump doesn’t care about any of that.
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Originally Posted By iifymbro⏩
TDS has taken their intellect and reason, anything other then 'orange man bad' just bounces right off.
Oldest Trumper meme - there isn’t any legitimate criticism of Trump.
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Originally Posted By iifymbro⏩
The people who want that think the investigation is corrupt. They don't want to shut it down because they are afraid Trump actually did what his political opponents are accusing him of doing, they think the investigators are working for those political opponents to take him down.
Well, to them I say they are mistaken. They don’t know how investigations work. Mueller’s team cannot invent things that don’t exist. If Trump did do something wrong and needs to be impeached the country will need his supporters and the support of Republican officials to help remove him.
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Originally Posted By beowulf10⏩
Well, to them I say they are mistaken. They don’t know how investigations work. Mueller’s team cannot invent things that don’t exist. If Trump did do something wrong and needs to be impeached the country will need his supporters and the support of Republican officials to help remove him.
The whole thing was started on the back of a unverified dossier, why would anything that follows that be given legitimacy?
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