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"Men gain value with age" is taught so society doesn't burn itself down, am I wrong?
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Originally Posted By Hardlifter9⏩
You're 25. Why do you know or care about what busted 40 year old women do? You should be banging undergrads.The bolded is so true.
Know of this girl in her later 30s. Single mom with 3 kids. Drinks and smokes a lot, lost most of her looks. Still has lots of (high quality) guys lined up, one of whom is a cardiologist I know.
Any woman in her 40s who looks somewhat okay facewise has tons of male options, even if overweight. Not sure why guys think women's value tanks as they age either.
Know of this girl in her later 30s. Single mom with 3 kids. Drinks and smokes a lot, lost most of her looks. Still has lots of (high quality) guys lined up, one of whom is a cardiologist I know.
Any woman in her 40s who looks somewhat okay facewise has tons of male options, even if overweight. Not sure why guys think women's value tanks as they age either.
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Originally Posted By severagee⏩
lolwut. Almost every girl in her 20s who's a 7+ is in a relationship with a guy her age. The ones who aren't normally have issues (ex. psych problems). You're cherry picking your small sample of girls that have daddy issues.Not really. Girls are really attracted to status and resources, which your average early 20s college student has absolutely none of.
If you're just going into an average white-collar career and work as a salesman or an accountant, yea it's probably not gonna get a lot better with age (unless your confidence increases dramatically).
But if you're a doctor/dentist/lawyer/veterinarian who's making 6 figures easily and who's not gotten much uglier with age, you'll probably do a lot better than when you were in college simply by virtue of status and what you can provide.
Plus way more girls than you think are okay with sleeping with dudes older than them. Like, many many women I've talked to irl talk about how they prefer older men. You see women all the time saying dudes aren't worth getting into relationships with until they're 30 (and able to provide something then). Your confidence is also almost certainly going to be better than when you were in your twenties.
If you're just going into an average white-collar career and work as a salesman or an accountant, yea it's probably not gonna get a lot better with age (unless your confidence increases dramatically).
But if you're a doctor/dentist/lawyer/veterinarian who's making 6 figures easily and who's not gotten much uglier with age, you'll probably do a lot better than when you were in college simply by virtue of status and what you can provide.
Plus way more girls than you think are okay with sleeping with dudes older than them. Like, many many women I've talked to irl talk about how they prefer older men. You see women all the time saying dudes aren't worth getting into relationships with until they're 30 (and able to provide something then). Your confidence is also almost certainly going to be better than when you were in your twenties.
And no one cares about status/resources. The guys that I've seen who kill it work average 50k/year jobs. In contrast, never seen my lawyer/doctor/dentist friends magically starting killing it, even with a mid 6 figure pay check.
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Originally Posted By Hardlifter9⏩
What are you specializing in boyo, you sound cynical as phuck , IM?lolwut. Almost every girl in her 20s who's a 7+ is in a relationship with a guy her age. The ones who aren't normally have issues (ex. psych problems). You're cherry picking your small sample of girls that have daddy issues.
And no one cares about status/resources. The guys that I've seen who kill it work average 50k/year jobs. In contrast, never seen my lawyer/doctor/dentist friends magically starting killing it, even with a mid 6 figure pay check.
And no one cares about status/resources. The guys that I've seen who kill it work average 50k/year jobs. In contrast, never seen my lawyer/doctor/dentist friends magically starting killing it, even with a mid 6 figure pay check.
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Originally Posted By Josh1billion⏩
Around his age sure but misc loves to cope that any older dude with a decent job is going to be plowing hot young things, all while the women his age cry tears of blood that he won’t date them anymore.Depends on the dude. Lazy bums will always be low-value.
Hard to imagine a world where a 50-year-old, healthy, accomplished dude with a good physiquedoesn'thave a lot of dating options, at least around his age group. Look at his competition.
Hard to imagine a world where a 50-year-old, healthy, accomplished dude with a good physiquedoesn'thave a lot of dating options, at least around his age group. Look at his competition.
Which is literal horse chit lmao
Older dudes with decent money will have women closer to their age fighting over them, sure, because single women over a certain age throw all standards out the window. So yes, the desperation will make Timothy seem more desirable.
But the young girls will take less resources and someone they can have sex with without puking 90% of the time.
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01-13-2019, 09:20 PM
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Originally Posted By Josh1billion⏩
lolDepends on the dude. Lazy bums will always be low-value.
Hard to imagine a world where a 50-year-old, healthy, accomplished dude with a good physiquedoesn'thave a lot of dating options,at least around his age group. Look at his competition.
Hard to imagine a world where a 50-year-old, healthy, accomplished dude with a good physiquedoesn'thave a lot of dating options,at least around his age group. Look at his competition.
Originally Posted By irmocool⏩
What? Career wise I'm extremely content. And EM with CCM after.What are you specializing in boyo, you sound cynical as phuck , IM?
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Originally Posted By Maylie⏩
This is basically what I'm trying to say.Around his age sure but misc loves to cope that any older dude with a decent job is going to be plowing hot young things, all while the women his age cry tears of blood that he won’t date them anymore.
Which is literal horse chit lmao
Older dudes with decent money will have women closer to their age fighting over them, sure, because single women over a certain age throw all standards out the window. So yes, the desperation will make Timothy seem more desirable.
But the young girls will take less resources and someone they can have sex with without puking 90% of the time.
Which is literal horse chit lmao
Older dudes with decent money will have women closer to their age fighting over them, sure, because single women over a certain age throw all standards out the window. So yes, the desperation will make Timothy seem more desirable.
But the young girls will take less resources and someone they can have sex with without puking 90% of the time.
No one cares about resources. Women make their own money now and in the <40 years old bracket, they now out-earn men.
In my medical school class, and the year above us, and year below us and every year below that - there were at least 30 attractive girls in total, all bound for a 200-500k job. It was clear from their dating choices that they gave minimal priority to the guy's career.
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Originally Posted By Hardlifter9⏩
All trueThis is basically what I'm trying to say.
No one cares about resources. Women make their own money now and in the <40 years old bracket, they now out-earn men.
In my medical school class, and the year above us, and year below us and every year below that - there were at least 30 attractive girls in total, all bound for a 200-500k job. It was clear from their dating choices that they gave minimal priority to the guy's career.
No one cares about resources. Women make their own money now and in the <40 years old bracket, they now out-earn men.
In my medical school class, and the year above us, and year below us and every year below that - there were at least 30 attractive girls in total, all bound for a 200-500k job. It was clear from their dating choices that they gave minimal priority to the guy's career.
This isn’t 1950, most women want a guy they find physically and sexually attractive and who they actually have some stuff in common with. Money helps but it doesn’t compensate for everything.
Only goldiggers prioritize money above all.
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You mad because you already peaked?
Some dudes just don't have it when they're young. They're either nerds or really basic and have nothing to offer. Some of them fill out/grow a beard/age past the baby face...and alot of them get careers, invest and are worth hundreds of thousands (if not millions) of dollars. Meanwhile young dudes are drinking piss-beer trying to scrap together $5 to split a pizza. There are many physical benefits to being young, but the tour isn't over for men until they give up. Women on the other hand have a clock ticking.
Some dudes just don't have it when they're young. They're either nerds or really basic and have nothing to offer. Some of them fill out/grow a beard/age past the baby face...and alot of them get careers, invest and are worth hundreds of thousands (if not millions) of dollars. Meanwhile young dudes are drinking piss-beer trying to scrap together $5 to split a pizza. There are many physical benefits to being young, but the tour isn't over for men until they give up. Women on the other hand have a clock ticking.
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"Yes something like 10% of girls like older guys but ~99% of girls like guys their own age. So while on paper a guy has more value with age, value is also determined by what the free market wants to pay. "
so the only value you see for yourself is how much women want you?
you though that was the point in that quote, really??
what a beta *******
so the only value you see for yourself is how much women want you?
you though that was the point in that quote, really??
what a beta *******
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Originally Posted By USADave85⏩
You realize only a very tiny percentage of guys will be millionaires right? Look up the 50th percentile income. Also look up the 80th percentile and the 95th. Cause even the 95th percentile isn't pulling off (or even remotely close) the kind of lifestyle you're trying to imply is attainable for guys (ex. pull up in ferrari to high end club, have a table etc.).You mad because you already peaked?
Some dudes just don't have it when they're young. They're either nerds or really basic and have nothing to offer. Some of them fill out/grow a beard/age past the baby face...and alot of them get careers, invest and are worth hundreds of thousands (if not millions) of dollars. Meanwhile young dudes are drinking piss-beer trying to scrap together $5 to split a pizza. There are many physical benefits to being young, but the tour isn't over for men until they give up. Women on the other hand have a clock ticking.
Some dudes just don't have it when they're young. They're either nerds or really basic and have nothing to offer. Some of them fill out/grow a beard/age past the baby face...and alot of them get careers, invest and are worth hundreds of thousands (if not millions) of dollars. Meanwhile young dudes are drinking piss-beer trying to scrap together $5 to split a pizza. There are many physical benefits to being young, but the tour isn't over for men until they give up. Women on the other hand have a clock ticking.
Originally Posted By HolyCowBatman⏩
It's addressing what the misc thinks. Did you forget what forum you're posting on?"Yes something like 10% of girls like older guys but ~99% of girls like guys their own age. So while on paper a guy has more value with age, value is also determined by what the free market wants to pay. "
so the only value you see for yourself is how much women want you?
you though that was the point in that quote, really??
what a beta *******
so the only value you see for yourself is how much women want you?
you though that was the point in that quote, really??
what a beta *******
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Misc. thinks they'll all be like 40 year old spade writing his name on 19 year old girls asses with sharpies, or LeoSlayer.
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Originally Posted By bretmarathon⏩
lol...it gets easier when you get older but you still deal with bull****Misc. thinks they'll all be like 40 year old spade writing his name on 19 year old girls asses with sharpies, or LeoSlayer.
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Originally Posted By bretmarathon⏩
Everyone's going to be a shredded multi millionaire slayer.Misc. thinks they'll all be like 40 year old spade writing his name on 19 year old girls asses with sharpies, or LeoSlayer.
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Originally Posted By USADave85⏩
lol at this copeYou mad because you already peaked?
Some dudes just don't have it when they're young. They're either nerds or really basic and have nothing to offer. Some of them fill out/grow a beard/age past the baby face...and alot of them get careers, invest and are worth hundreds of thousands (if not millions) of dollars. Meanwhile young dudes are drinking piss-beer trying to scrap together $5 to split a pizza. There are many physical benefits to being young, but the tour isn't over for men until they give up. Women on the other hand have a clock ticking.
Some dudes just don't have it when they're young. They're either nerds or really basic and have nothing to offer. Some of them fill out/grow a beard/age past the baby face...and alot of them get careers, invest and are worth hundreds of thousands (if not millions) of dollars. Meanwhile young dudes are drinking piss-beer trying to scrap together $5 to split a pizza. There are many physical benefits to being young, but the tour isn't over for men until they give up. Women on the other hand have a clock ticking.
If you don’t have it in your 20’s you likely never will and the only advantage you’ll have in your 30’s is that you’ll have the money to pay for it.
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Originally Posted By Hardlifter9⏩
Completely agree and similarly only a tiny percentage of young dudes are going to slay (attractive women). The percentiles probably aren't far off between older men who can afford a ferrari and young dudes who can sleep with 9's.You realize only a very tiny percentage of guys will be millionaires right? Look up the 50th percentile income. Also look up the 80th percentile and the 95th.
Maybe I'm looking at this differently. The way I see it, most men can't get laid when their young anyways. Maybe your perception is skewed because you and a few of your buddies are hammering away at chicks...but you're probably in that top 1-5 percentile. I hooked up with several girls in my college social circle but out of all the other guys in our circle, almost none of them were getting laid. Take away a few girlfriends and their numbers would dip to almost zero. 80-20 is real, and 20 is being very generous.
01-14-2019, 02:31 AM
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More like 65+ hr weeks at least after your graduate (at least if you do surgery like me), and that’s the recommended number of hrs by the American and British colleges of surgery to achieve competency.
It is hard at times to find times for socialising, especially to meet a girl.
I think a lot of it is cope that men better with age. I’m now early 30s and had next to no success with girls in my 20s. Albeit I was a nerd, rarely went out in college because I would get anxious, and used to be a fat kid which still affects me.
Now I earn in the top bracket for age, surgical resident, am not ugly, look young, 6’ tall, lean - soccer player physique, own place, and am much more social and outgoing then I was in my 20s; however I have no confidence with women because I never had success when young.
Can’t be confident without success, so it’s a vicious cycle.
Some guys have it and some guys don’t. I obviously do not, despite trying to do a lot to better myself in all facets of life, including putting my self out of my comfort zone. I just never have the balls ti escalate because I’ve never had success in the past, so I guess as a defense mechanism I then withdraw again
And OP is corrrect in saying nobody gaf if you’re a doc, it means nothing.
It is hard at times to find times for socialising, especially to meet a girl.
I think a lot of it is cope that men better with age. I’m now early 30s and had next to no success with girls in my 20s. Albeit I was a nerd, rarely went out in college because I would get anxious, and used to be a fat kid which still affects me.
Now I earn in the top bracket for age, surgical resident, am not ugly, look young, 6’ tall, lean - soccer player physique, own place, and am much more social and outgoing then I was in my 20s; however I have no confidence with women because I never had success when young.
Can’t be confident without success, so it’s a vicious cycle.
Some guys have it and some guys don’t. I obviously do not, despite trying to do a lot to better myself in all facets of life, including putting my self out of my comfort zone. I just never have the balls ti escalate because I’ve never had success in the past, so I guess as a defense mechanism I then withdraw again
And OP is corrrect in saying nobody gaf if you’re a doc, it means nothing.
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As some sort of medical advisor? I recently had an offer to pursue this line of ‘corporate Medicine’ for essentially slightly more than my current pay, with raises in the near future. Would lie if I said I wasn’t intrigued, however I’ve invested so many years into surgery, routinely get told by my supervisors I’ve got a lot of potential to be an excellent surgeon etc etc, so never pursued it. However despite surgery being fun etc, your income is all time dependent; money in means time in. Seems like this sort of work has the potential to be signficanrly more lucrative hmmm (or maybe I’ve only heard the success stories).Lol, one of my dad's friend was a doc, had a wife, quit the doc life. Joined biotechnology company on supervisory board, now has a 25-yo wife at age 58 srs.
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Originally Posted By Hardlifter9⏩
And the other 30% don't mind either way.It's like maximum cope and deferring disappointment.
Yes something like10% of girls like older guys but ~99% of girls like guys their own age. So while on paper a guy has more value with age, value is also determined by what the free market wants to pay.
And of equal importance, free time is out the window once you pass early 20s. You're left with a fraction of the free time and 100x the responsibility.
inb4 angry miscers over discussion of reality
Yes something like10% of girls like older guys but ~99% of girls like guys their own age. So while on paper a guy has more value with age, value is also determined by what the free market wants to pay.
And of equal importance, free time is out the window once you pass early 20s. You're left with a fraction of the free time and 100x the responsibility.
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probably different for everyone.
Some kids peaked in high school. Others were awkward as phuck but got a good job and made it out to a big city.
I’ve had a great trajectory career/ income wise, and managed to stay in decent shape. By comparison to my cohort I’m doing well but not sure how I’d rate out in the wild. Things were only getting better up until mid-30’s but then I got married so dunno what would happen now.
Some kids peaked in high school. Others were awkward as phuck but got a good job and made it out to a big city.
I’ve had a great trajectory career/ income wise, and managed to stay in decent shape. By comparison to my cohort I’m doing well but not sure how I’d rate out in the wild. Things were only getting better up until mid-30’s but then I got married so dunno what would happen now.
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I don't think so, it's extremely rare i come across a woman with a younger guy.
Also, while men may 'peak' at 21-23 or whatever, in terms of dating they peak 25-40+, whereas womens value drastically plummets in their late 20s/early 30s.
The reason for this is, as said before due to fertility, so the qualities we find attractive in women are associated in youth, whereas this isn't the same for men; the qualities women find attractive in men are associated with men in their 30's rather than 20's. (Mature looks, wealth, career, experience etc)
I mean think about it really, most guys at 18 still look like children, whereas most women at 18 have peaked and are very smashable. This is just my life experience from what i've seen, but at 29 i have far more success with women than i did at 18-23.
40+ is pushing it, but from my experience being 27-35 is peak age for getting 20-25 year old girls. (Provided the guy takes care of himself).
So in my view what you said is kind of true, most guys who are 40+ are not going to be smashing sexy young 20 something things, but at the same time i think in terms of dating, 27-35 year old males seem to be most desirable for early 20's women. (provided the man has kept his chit together)
Maybe it's a cope by me... but I, at least am better now at 29 than i was pre-25. I had some success with women when i was younger, but have much more now...but i also spent 22-26 in a long relationship which honestly grinded me down and fukked with my confidence by the end. At 29 i have a far better physique, more experience, more confidence in myself and more money and drive in life.
Also, while men may 'peak' at 21-23 or whatever, in terms of dating they peak 25-40+, whereas womens value drastically plummets in their late 20s/early 30s.
The reason for this is, as said before due to fertility, so the qualities we find attractive in women are associated in youth, whereas this isn't the same for men; the qualities women find attractive in men are associated with men in their 30's rather than 20's. (Mature looks, wealth, career, experience etc)
I mean think about it really, most guys at 18 still look like children, whereas most women at 18 have peaked and are very smashable. This is just my life experience from what i've seen, but at 29 i have far more success with women than i did at 18-23.
40+ is pushing it, but from my experience being 27-35 is peak age for getting 20-25 year old girls. (Provided the guy takes care of himself).
So in my view what you said is kind of true, most guys who are 40+ are not going to be smashing sexy young 20 something things, but at the same time i think in terms of dating, 27-35 year old males seem to be most desirable for early 20's women. (provided the man has kept his chit together)
Maybe it's a cope by me... but I, at least am better now at 29 than i was pre-25. I had some success with women when i was younger, but have much more now...but i also spent 22-26 in a long relationship which honestly grinded me down and fukked with my confidence by the end. At 29 i have a far better physique, more experience, more confidence in myself and more money and drive in life.
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It's addressing what the misc thinks. Did you forget what forum you're posting on?
point takenin that case it matters if you are not very affluent, by very affluent i mean someone whose finances are actually increasing yearly, thus getting more worth
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one of the main challenges WOMEN face is determining a man's potential before he has aged
you're right women prefer men their own age. but they want the men that are on track to be successful. if there aren't any in the immediate vicinity they'll date an older guy for dat status fix.
they need to determine is this guy gonna land a fortune or become/stay a loser
you're right women prefer men their own age. but they want the men that are on track to be successful. if there aren't any in the immediate vicinity they'll date an older guy for dat status fix.
they need to determine is this guy gonna land a fortune or become/stay a loser
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Originally Posted By Schism45⏩
Now that I’m in my 40’s I get more 20 year olds than when I was in my 20’s. Plus if you want you can also bang cougars in there 40’s and 50’sMost men peak on the dating market at age 21-23.
They can retain value a lot better than women if they keep their status and looks high and then will do well through their 20's and early 30's.
The whole 40+ dating early 20 year olds is cope and rarer than being ceo 10k/day.
They can retain value a lot better than women if they keep their status and looks high and then will do well through their 20's and early 30's.
The whole 40+ dating early 20 year olds is cope and rarer than being ceo 10k/day.
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01-14-2019, 04:48 AM
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This is a very westcentric thread, I'll indulge, but as a precursor, I'll say this.
In the large majority of the world (Africa, China, India, Brazil, Eastern Europe, South East Asia, Middle East) providergame is still legit AF, so obviously a man having a career and money helps him quite a bit.
Anyways, I assume you're in the west and in the west women value looks and status above everything, so yes your value may indeed peak when you're in college, have college status from being in a frat, knowing jocks, knowing drug dealers etc and looking good yourself.
However the problem isn't your objective value, as you get older, one picks up better fashion, better haircuts, more money, more swagger, more muscle, better posture and just in general improves, the problem though is that you simply don't have the same social circle.
Even if we give you an only slightly improved value due to having a great career and being in even better shape now than you were let's say 4-8 years ago, how does that hurt you??? Ok, let's say you go to a university party and you say you're a doctor and girls pussies are gonna run dry? Don't think so, they may not get wet based on this alone, but all women are looking for a long term mate (even if it's in the back of their slut minds), so it certainly won't hurt you.
So yeah, your value does go up, you just need a good social circle to REALIZE the value (value v realized value are two different things).
But yeah there's basically two options:
Sluzzas who will **** if you look good, but even sluzzas wanna be able to say "yeah I ****ed a doctor" to their friends
Women looking for a mate, who your occupation, money and status in the real world obviously increases your value
And no women is ever turning a guy down because he's too old as this being the defining factor, women are hardwired to like old men provided the other things they require are in place.
In the large majority of the world (Africa, China, India, Brazil, Eastern Europe, South East Asia, Middle East) providergame is still legit AF, so obviously a man having a career and money helps him quite a bit.
Anyways, I assume you're in the west and in the west women value looks and status above everything, so yes your value may indeed peak when you're in college, have college status from being in a frat, knowing jocks, knowing drug dealers etc and looking good yourself.
However the problem isn't your objective value, as you get older, one picks up better fashion, better haircuts, more money, more swagger, more muscle, better posture and just in general improves, the problem though is that you simply don't have the same social circle.
Even if we give you an only slightly improved value due to having a great career and being in even better shape now than you were let's say 4-8 years ago, how does that hurt you??? Ok, let's say you go to a university party and you say you're a doctor and girls pussies are gonna run dry? Don't think so, they may not get wet based on this alone, but all women are looking for a long term mate (even if it's in the back of their slut minds), so it certainly won't hurt you.
So yeah, your value does go up, you just need a good social circle to REALIZE the value (value v realized value are two different things).
But yeah there's basically two options:
Sluzzas who will **** if you look good, but even sluzzas wanna be able to say "yeah I ****ed a doctor" to their friends
Women looking for a mate, who your occupation, money and status in the real world obviously increases your value
Originally Posted By smashedurgfx10⏩
Nah women prefer older men all their relevant lifeone of the main challenges WOMEN face is determining a man's potential before he has aged
you're right women prefer men their own age. but they want the men that are on track to be successful. if there aren't any in the immediate vicinity they'll date an older guy for dat status fix.
they need to determine is this guy gonna land a fortune or become/stay a loser
you're right women prefer men their own age. but they want the men that are on track to be successful. if there aren't any in the immediate vicinity they'll date an older guy for dat status fix.
they need to determine is this guy gonna land a fortune or become/stay a loser
And no women is ever turning a guy down because he's too old as this being the defining factor, women are hardwired to like old men provided the other things they require are in place.
01-14-2019, 05:04 AM
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Cope. I am sure Stacy wants to date the hot 22 year old giving lube jobs at the Jiffy Lube instead of the 40 year old investment banker who owns a yacht and an 8 figure investment portfolio. Women seek safety and resources, men seek to spread seeds..........these are biological facts. Entire civilizations are build by men to touch bobs and vagene. But yeah keep your low value job and never strive for more I'm sure Stacy will be there waiting lol
01-14-2019, 09:56 AM
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Originally Posted By wasw0⏩
Hey brah, say it like it is. The misc isn't supposed to be politically correct.More like 65+ hr weeks at least after your graduate (at least if you do surgery like me), and that’s the recommended number of hrs by the American and British colleges of surgery to achieve competency.
It is hard at times to find times for socialising, especially to meet a girl.
I think a lot of it is cope that men better with age. I’m now early 30s and had next to no success with girls in my 20s. Albeit I was a nerd, rarely went out in college because I would get anxious, and used to be a fat kid which still affects me.
Now I earn in the top bracket for age, surgical resident, am not ugly, look young, 6’ tall, lean - soccer player physique, own place, and am much more social and outgoing then I was in my 20s; however I have no confidence with women because I never had success when young.
Can’t be confident without success, so it’s a vicious cycle.
Some guys have it and some guys don’t. I obviously do not, despite trying to do a lot to better myself in all facets of life, including putting my self out of my comfort zone. I just never have the balls ti escalate because I’ve never had success in the past, so I guess as a defense mechanism I then withdraw again
And OP is corrrect in saying nobody gaf if you’re a doc, it means nothing.
As some sort of medical advisor? I recently had an offer to pursue this line of ‘corporate Medicine’ for essentially slightly more than my current pay, with raises in the near future. Would lie if I said I wasn’t intrigued, however I’ve invested so many years into surgery, routinely get told by my supervisors I’ve got a lot of potential to be an excellent surgeon etc etc, so never pursued it. However despite surgery being fun etc, your income is all time dependent; money in means time in. Seems like this sort of work has the potential to be signficanrly more lucrative hmmm (or maybe I’ve only heard the success stories).
It is hard at times to find times for socialising, especially to meet a girl.
I think a lot of it is cope that men better with age. I’m now early 30s and had next to no success with girls in my 20s. Albeit I was a nerd, rarely went out in college because I would get anxious, and used to be a fat kid which still affects me.
Now I earn in the top bracket for age, surgical resident, am not ugly, look young, 6’ tall, lean - soccer player physique, own place, and am much more social and outgoing then I was in my 20s; however I have no confidence with women because I never had success when young.
Can’t be confident without success, so it’s a vicious cycle.
Some guys have it and some guys don’t. I obviously do not, despite trying to do a lot to better myself in all facets of life, including putting my self out of my comfort zone. I just never have the balls ti escalate because I’ve never had success in the past, so I guess as a defense mechanism I then withdraw again
And OP is corrrect in saying nobody gaf if you’re a doc, it means nothing.
As some sort of medical advisor? I recently had an offer to pursue this line of ‘corporate Medicine’ for essentially slightly more than my current pay, with raises in the near future. Would lie if I said I wasn’t intrigued, however I’ve invested so many years into surgery, routinely get told by my supervisors I’ve got a lot of potential to be an excellent surgeon etc etc, so never pursued it. However despite surgery being fun etc, your income is all time dependent; money in means time in. Seems like this sort of work has the potential to be signficanrly more lucrative hmmm (or maybe I’ve only heard the success stories).
I definitely killed it as a premed, and looking back at pics from before it's quite obvious why. And I got attention from girls in their mid to late 20s as well as 30s. Lived with parents, had 0$, immature etc and none mattered.
And seriously, lol @ the doctor thing mattering. It's a comical premed/med student fantasy that those outside of medicine like to believe. Like seriously, how often do you hear it?
Just like muscles & heavy lifting, it does impress otherguysthough.
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01-14-2019, 10:05 AM
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Originally Posted By RisenV⏩
Yeah cause in those countries/regions, women have no other choice. In USA, they outearn men under age 40 and hence can do all of the choosing to the max.This is a very westcentric thread, I'll indulge, but as a precursor, I'll say this.
In the large majority of the world (Africa, China, India, Brazil, Eastern Europe, South East Asia, Middle East) providergame is still legit AF, so obviously a man having a career and money helps him quite a bit.
Anyways, I assume you're in the west and in the west women value looks and status above everything, so yes your value may indeed peak when you're in college, have college status from being in a frat, knowing jocks, knowing drug dealers etc and looking good yourself.
However the problem isn't your objective value, as you get older, one picks up better fashion, better haircuts, more money, more swagger, more muscle, better posture and just in general improves, the problem though is that you simply don't have the same social circle.
Even if we give you an only slightly improved value due to having a great career and being in even better shape now than you were let's say 4-8 years ago, how does that hurt you??? Ok, let's say you go to a university party and you say you're a doctor and girls pussies are gonna run dry? Don't think so, they may not get wet based on this alone, but all women are looking for a long term mate (even if it's in the back of their slut minds), so it certainly won't hurt you.
So yeah, your value does go up, you just need a good social circle to REALIZE the value (value v realized value are two different things).
But yeah there's basically two options:
Sluzzas who will **** if you look good, but even sluzzas wanna be able to say "yeah I ****ed a doctor" to their friends
Women looking for a mate, who your occupation, money and status in the real world obviously increases your value
Nah women prefer older men all their relevant life
And no women is ever turning a guy down because he's too old as this being the defining factor, women are hardwired to like old men provided the other things they require are in place.
In the large majority of the world (Africa, China, India, Brazil, Eastern Europe, South East Asia, Middle East) providergame is still legit AF, so obviously a man having a career and money helps him quite a bit.
Anyways, I assume you're in the west and in the west women value looks and status above everything, so yes your value may indeed peak when you're in college, have college status from being in a frat, knowing jocks, knowing drug dealers etc and looking good yourself.
However the problem isn't your objective value, as you get older, one picks up better fashion, better haircuts, more money, more swagger, more muscle, better posture and just in general improves, the problem though is that you simply don't have the same social circle.
Even if we give you an only slightly improved value due to having a great career and being in even better shape now than you were let's say 4-8 years ago, how does that hurt you??? Ok, let's say you go to a university party and you say you're a doctor and girls pussies are gonna run dry? Don't think so, they may not get wet based on this alone, but all women are looking for a long term mate (even if it's in the back of their slut minds), so it certainly won't hurt you.
So yeah, your value does go up, you just need a good social circle to REALIZE the value (value v realized value are two different things).
But yeah there's basically two options:
Sluzzas who will **** if you look good, but even sluzzas wanna be able to say "yeah I ****ed a doctor" to their friends
Women looking for a mate, who your occupation, money and status in the real world obviously increases your value
Nah women prefer older men all their relevant life
And no women is ever turning a guy down because he's too old as this being the defining factor, women are hardwired to like old men provided the other things they require are in place.
Overall, girls are doing far better than men. That includes education, career, income and everything else. The gap is actually widening drastically.
Originally Posted By TonyNail⏩
If you actually need investment bankers/millionaires and stacys in real life, you'd know how false this is.Cope. I am sure Stacy wants to date the hot 22 year old giving lube jobs at the Jiffy Lube instead of the 40 year old investment banker who owns a yacht and an 8 figure investment portfolio. Women seek safety and resources, men seek to spread seeds..........these are biological facts. Entire civilizations are build by men to touch bobs and vagene. But yeah keep your low value job and never strive for more I'm sure Stacy will be there waiting lol
My family's fairly wealthy and hence we live among/know other wealthy people. All the rich guys are married to someone their own age who is also average looking like them. We had one of those stacys in high school who married a rich guy that's 15 years older. She had a long list of psych issues.
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01-14-2019, 10:13 AM
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Originally Posted By Hardlifter9⏩
If you impress guys you gain status. Status impresses women. It's a conversion, we know women don't care about lifting. Why'd you work so hard to get a 470 lb bench press if you don't see these results?Hey brah, say it like it is. The misc isn't supposed to be politically correct.
I definitely killed it as a premed, and looking back at pics from before it's quite obvious why. And I got attention from girls in their mid to late 20s as well as 30s. Lived with parents, had 0$, immature etc and none mattered.
And seriously, lol @ the doctor thing mattering. It's a comical premed/med student fantasy that those outside of medicine like to believe. Like seriously, how often do you hear it?
Just like muscles & heavy lifting, it does impress otherguysthough.
I definitely killed it as a premed, and looking back at pics from before it's quite obvious why. And I got attention from girls in their mid to late 20s as well as 30s. Lived with parents, had 0$, immature etc and none mattered.
And seriously, lol @ the doctor thing mattering. It's a comical premed/med student fantasy that those outside of medicine like to believe. Like seriously, how often do you hear it?
Just like muscles & heavy lifting, it does impress otherguysthough.
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01-14-2019, 07:29 PM
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Originally Posted By Blazenwave⏩
Powerlifting is a personal hobby. Like any other type of success, it impresses men.If you impress guys you gain status. Status impresses women. It's a conversion, we know women don't care about lifting. Why'd you work so hard to get a 470 lb bench press if you don't see these results?
Women are impressed by guys who they're already very attracted to. It's like the sprinkles on the cake (at best).
The kind of status you're thinking of exists in social circles and is entirely irrelevant to this stuff. It's like the adult version of the cool kid on the playground.
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