Have you hung out with rich guys? Girls who are after money want the guy who tips 2 grand with ease. Not someone making 40$/hour.Lol women have value until they're older and can get the chads in their 20s with no money/status. The equivalent for a guy who is 50 is impossible unless he's directly paying.

Yeah it sucks because me and my friends would love to have sex with hot girls in their 20s, but we can only do that on SeekingArrangement. Guys on here say "well it's just sex" but still, we'd love to have "just sex" with hot young chicks.

Value is defined by getting girls? I mean I get that society judges you based off that but its best to break out and put your value in other things. You basically get girls if you're good looking and if you're not then its best to not think about it. I'd rather have a good job than be getting girls. Unfortunately I got neither :'(

On forums yes. But there's logic to it. If you have so much value, then you should effectively be good enough to attract the opposite sex.

Value for getting girls is just mostly looks and status. Someone who volunteers a **** ton and makes the world a better place is someone I'd see with with a million times more value than a chad or stacy.

The only normal post here and the poster is red. Go figure.

Yet the hollywood celebrity makes infinitely more money than a scientist. Things aren't always logical.

Depression reeks in a thread. I suggest you seek a mental health professional before you ruin your later years. 100% serious

I've never seen Usedcarsalesbrah provide such insight before. He usually posts "I make $160K a year, hansom, everyone loves me, but I can't get a 7+ fit Latina girlfriend".

Hopefully he doesn't think that age will help him. He needs professional help before he can get a girlfriend.

The car salesman guy is just a troll. Doubt there's even any merit behind his trolling.

Imma be honest.

As time goes on, I am attracting more attractive younger women, however they all have issues.

I met my equal one time in the last year. Black, Doctor, nice body, funny, etc. she said she has a hard time dating because when she tells men about her career/education, they disqualify themselves.

I am 30, and I am attracting 21-25 year olds easier, but they are all looking for provider or have issues. So when im 35 and my looks increase, as well as my income, ill be attracting a bunch of women looking for providers and/or single moms.

I thought money would solve everything. Its how i got through high school being the nerd...one day im going to be successful and everything is going to be good...

now i realize looks (face)>money (unless you got a lot of it). Ive already come across gold diggers and ill be honest with you, the sex is absolutely lack luster because they arent remotely attracted to you. yea i can afford to do more things, but the quality of woman I am able to attract hasnt really changed :'(

This. I agreed in this thread that you can do better as you age in many cases but the quality will always be low. Normal girls don't want a guy drastically older than them.

And fun fact, guys lie about their age on dating sites too.

I absolutely love this thread.

I'll be the first to admit, I was a bit butthurt at the thought of missing out on my relative peak a while back. At 25 I did a complete life overhaul and it took me a few years to get back into the swing of things. Turning 30 this year and just now starting out Physical Therapy school, so it's going to be a while until I have my career all set, so my "peak" would be long gone..that being said though...

That doesn't mean that it's LDAR. In your late 20's-beyond you just cant be someone doing absolutely nothing with your life. Granted I look a tad bit younger, but most chicks I talk to don't care about age as much as long as you look like you take care of yourself. As most of the dudes in this thread have said, past a certain point no one care about how much money you make anyway as long as you make a baseline amount.

No need to deny the fact, but at the same time dont let that be an excuse for some of yall to not improve.

Men age like wine.

Women age like cheese. Err one knows this.

Reps for introspective post.

You are ignoring the fact that an attractive guy, with money (top 10-15%) and status (respected by his peers) in his 40's has more options for good looking women in their 20's and 30's ...than...an attractive woman in her 40's, has options for good looking guys in their 20's and 30's. Speaking strictly about serious, LTR type relationships.

In the hookup/sex market SSprobablyhas more Chad options than I do Stacys but thats the irony of things. 25yo Chads aren't settling down with a woman in their 40's (inb4 Kutcher) meanwhile attractive girls 10 to 15+ years younger than me are legit asking me to cum inside...

Spoiler!

And you are ignoring the fact that I've been in my 20's. And can count how many girls I smashed before getting married. Yet, after separating/divorcing in my late 30's I legit lost count (inb4 senile)

And you are ignoring the fact that a good looking man in his 40's, with a little M + S, has endless options for women his age.

To highlight this fact, and also show I was semi trolling/legit trying to help SS in her call out thread...

Here is a woman in her 40's, arguably better looking/better body than SS. At the very least they are in the same ballpark for women 40yo+...

Spoiler!

Spade bruh why you flake on dat? Some might be asking...

Well it's because girls in their 20's, like this one.

Spoiler!

.are showing me off and bragging about me to their 20 something yo friends.

(Gonna ask that girl to send me a screen shot of the txt convo she had with her friend Friday night. Her friend said something "no way is he 40"... Then asked "how was the D?" to which she replied, "Amazing"...lmao)

This is why SS is having a hard time trying to get an attractive guy in his 40's. Its supply and demand.Most girls have one or the other tbh lol.That wasn't my advice. My advice was simple: You wanna get good at something? Practice doing it until you are good at it.

Maybe you were blessed with A+ game from puberty. Most of us were not so we have to phuck upa tonbefore we can actually can kick game to 7+/10's, date them, bang them etc...If you two ladies were early 20's models with >1M followers on ig, which one of those guys would you rather advertise on your page that you are sleeping with?

Because one of them is getting tagged by models and the other is not.

It's all relative tho. The guy with the better physique is famous. So he attracts model tier women based on who he is rather than his money. The fact he looks good for a man in his 50's is a bonus.

Take Mick Jagger or the lead singer from Aeorosmith for example (forgot his name)... Those guys probably have slept with over 5000 women. The women aren't sleeping with them for money (maybe some are)...but the majority are sleeping with them because they are famous.

It's relative, like in the example I gave about the surgeon vs. the car mechanic vs. the McDonald's cashier. Men that have high(er) status are always gonna do better than men that have lower status or none. The older a man gets the more status he (should) acquires. So assuming he takes care of himself/looks good, guys can get with more/more attractive 20 something yo girls in their 40's (without paying them) then they did in their 20's...

I'm living proof.

I can't speak for all of society like op, I can only speak for myself, but my success with women has only gone up every year from 18-25.

Come on guys, value increase with age doesn't come from your job title. Are we really talking about jobs in here?


Male value increases with age because -- ideally -- we develop the attributes that are typically associated with being a brah: experience, maturity / masculinity, confidence, assertiveness, etc etc. That can all be affected by your education and the type of work you do, but your job and income (outside of extremes) don't really matter in terms of attraction. And how much you develop is a pretty individual thing, as is how your looks mature


I would say a lot of this comes down to girls generally maturing much earlier than guys. Men who peak early have the above attributes at a young age, but most young guys are years behind same-aged girls in these departments and don't catch up for a long fkn time. Our brains don't fully mature until around 25, and that's when things seem to begin equalizing

How attractive are you Spade? Would you past your tinder profile (or pm me?)

Yet a 7/10 woman in her 40s is light years ahead of a 8/10 guy in his 40s when it comes to the 20s crowd. Also, you use the term "attractive guy" while ignoring that most guys do not even fit that criteria at all.Right but in the process of practicing you might also get metoo'd or damage your career's reputation. There are additional variables that make it harder as you age.
All I know is, almost all girls in their 20s go for guys in their 20s. The exceptions I've seen are single moms, severe daddy issues etc. and even then they're going to guys a bit older... not 45.

as well as the opposite (im 33 btw)........yet youre up here talking about "consensus" in one of your other posts. LOL

Inb4 I get negged or personally attacked

Good info in this thread, and bad info.

An inshape 30 to 50 year old man, with a decent personality (fun, not autist, unbearable *******, and etc) with a decent careershould in theory do well in his age bracket as his competition is going to be trash. However facial aesthetics, race, and location still matter immensely.

However slaying 20 somethings consistently or getting into LTRs with these women is a bit of a delusion. Most people date within their age bracket plus or minus lets say 5 years

I've had a very hard time dating and most people here would just say "shut up ******* you're a negative low confidence *******" which couldn't be any further from the truth. Moved to a new city and no smashes yet, but I've had 5 women give me their number and 1 make out so far in less than 3 weeks. I'm also not even jacked anymore. I'd imagine once I'm back in good shape then I should be able to turn everything around in theory. However I make less than I did previously because I'm in school and Im not as aesthetic as I was then. Yet I was struggling then.


Op isn't bitter. He just isn't delusional or speaking from his own personal experience which is somethingALOTof people and then try to present that as the standard.

Very well said. And yep I've done my best to completely exclude personal experiences.

JFC! Are you a retard???? The only reason a 20something wants you to knock them up is because they see it as an opportunity to gain money/resources from you.
You continuously say that you don't use money/status and only your looks/game to get these girls, yet in every sentence of your entire post you're talking about money and status.L M A O I'm just like LMAO! You are so fukking butthurt that Silence turned you down you have to insult her in every post you've made since then.

What.
The.
Fuk.

6'4, white, norwood 2.5-3, I've been compared lookswise to this guy:


Swimmer/athletic build prolly 7/10 body and physique.

Wanna keep some anonymity on here so I dont get in the habit of sharing identifiable pics, but I have in the past, and my description above has never been called out.Disagree. A 7/10 40yo woman will have more value than a 7/10 40yo man on the sex market. For relationships, having children, etc... the man is in greater demand.

The 8/10 40yo man is probably up there with a 7/10 40yo woman, or at least pretty close, on the sex market.

Most guys don't put in the effort to looksmax. If they take care of themselves, lift, etc...they can attract women. Not talking about extreme cases of guys with deformities, Im talking about guys with 20%+ bf. It's not magic. They have to work.I'm obviously not saying to sexually harrass co-workers or do things without a woman's consent, so the top part is irrelevant.

I've posted about the 20 something yo's that have gone for me. Last one I dated before the holidays: 7+/10 21yo going to Harvard Business School next fall. She likes good looking, older, mature guys with a little status because shes super smart, comes from a lot of money, isnt into the party scene, etc...she showed me off too. Posted a pic of my back shirtless looking aesthetic af on her ig.

They come from all backgrounds brah. You aren't seeing it because you convinced yourself it doesn't exist. I'll show you an above average looking chick in med school that opened to me on tinder. Would have dated her except she was only near me (when we matched) interviewing for residency at a hospital near me which is her 2nd pick.Why are you mad? I know that. They also want their children to have my genes.No I never said that, in fact I've said quite often that I use status to pull. I say that I dont pay women for sex. I've banged a few pros in the past, but haven't in many years. All the girls, stories, convos, pics etc..I've posted on this forum are with girls I didn't pay...minus 1... I posted who I did pay, cuz shes a famous pronstar, and I said I paid.
Not butthurt at all. Ive been speaking the truth about SS for many years on this forum. Legit nothings changed. It was a fairy tale date offer to begin with.

How did I insult her tho?

I saw a picture of spade and yes you look a bit like that guy.

lol Not one bit mad. Just think it's ridiculous that you'd boast about that when literally the only reason a 20 yr old would want you to knock them up is to get a free ride in life.
Now you're just being disingenuous. We've all seen your posts about the girls from Seeking Arrangements and I've seen your posts about convos with a lot of these girls and the Brazilian taking them on fancy dinner dates and to expensive hotels for all expenses paid weekends. That's paying for sex. How often do you organically meet a 20 yr old in a bar/public place and without paying for even a drink take them home and have sex with them? Lets hear it.Oh please. I'm not going to go look for every post you've made trying to use your "dread game" on her. You got called out for it in her thread as well, so don't try to act like you're not doing it. You could have talked about that 40 yr old you posted a pic of without even mentioning SS. Who, by the way, I don't believe is better looking than SS in person. She's got a chit ton of makeup on and filters. I'd bet my right arm SS looks better than that and without the help of 10 lbs of makeup.

the thing is, when I'm 60 I don't want to spend my time with some 25 old slut even if I could. Our life experience would be so different at the point.