Rap has done a lot of damage no doubt.

Not gonna lie...

Biggies Ten Crack Commandments served me well in the 1990's

but....

In the 1990's a lot of rap was about getting out of the struggle...

These days the struggle is something young men aspire to be in

It's without a doubt mostly a negative thing these days

Zero of the people you mentioned are gangsta rappers except MAYBE 6ix9ine. And he’s just a massive, self admitted, troll. You have no idea what you’re talking about. Please shut the fukk up lol.


LMFAOOOOO @ XXX being gangsta rap. Holy chit. This is America in a nut shell though. White republicans commenting on a culture they have zero idea about. Please stop talking. You’re part of the problem.


Edit - LMAOOOO @ (criminal record)..god I’m unsubscribing this thread. Full of idiots dude.

This video will tell you all you need to know.



>Be IQ scientist James Flynn
>Study the kids of Black and White American soldiers living in Germany after WWII
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"Professor Flynn concluded, that the reason was that the offspring of black soldiers in Germany,'Grew up in a nation with no black subculture'."

A wild black appears

There’s been 54 shootings in Chicago this year already.

You don’t have to be black to call out black-on-black violence.

street corners in chicago, milwaukee, etc. where the rap lyric lifestyle is the problem. sadly its spilling over into civilized society

All of those rappers talk about gangsta sht, what the fk are you talking about? Maybe not XXX, but that's it.

I listen to rap but I just look at it as entertainment and nothing more. People that actually go out and join gangs and become criminals or degenerates just because of rap music are stupid as fukk, because most rappers don't even live the life they rap about. And girls that are attracted to guys like that are also equally stupid. I'm not gonna go out and sell drugs or do drugs just because there's a song about it.

He's gone now, but...

I actually am black. It's telling that he thinks that I must be a 'white republican' if I criticize rap.

I've got that response on the misc before, despite never mentioning anything negative about; RNB, Motown, Neo-soul, Jazz, Gospel, etc, only rap, they seem to think it's an attack on black people. As if rap music represents black people.

Also, anyone can google lyrics from those rappers, and read them talking about shooting people. I don't know what his definition of Gangta rap is.

Talking about gangsta chit sometimes doesn’t make someone a gangsta rapper. God you’re dumb.Cool story. The inner city was the inner city before rap music lol. Thinking rap is why th inner city is the inner city is hilarious. Your historical knowledge is so trashI’m on a website full of racists. Your comment doesn’t shock me at all.Look up the white On white violence while you’re there. They are almost identical.

“White on white” violence isn’t a term. Why do you think that is?

I told myself a long time ago that I would stop arguing with miscers about anything race related. Imaging judging/diagnosing a culture you have never experienced or been apart of.

I’m talking to idiots that think xxx and meek mill are gangsta rappers. I took the troll bait. Now I’m out.

Enjoy your racism, brahs.

Thank you.Lyrics from an XXX track;At me!

You put a gun on my mans, aye
I put a hole in your parents, aye
I just got lean on my ksubis, aye
I got an uzi no uzi, aye

It does by everyone else's standards.

Just like talking about 'conscious' chit makes someone a conscious rapper.

Talking about shooting guns doesn't make you a gangster rapper anymore. The label started in the late 80s because Hip Hop used to be commercially-friendly crap that played on the radio constantly. Then NWA came out and started talking about guns and violence and the term "gangsta rap" was born.

Now there are different subgenres, trap being the most popular, that also talk about guns and shooting, but isn't considered gangsta rap. Trap is more heavily-influenced by drug and drug-dealing (no ban pls) culture more so than gang culture."By everyone else's standards" is not saying much. I'm also a very into metal and it's subgenres, so I can tell the difference between something like Melodic Death Metal and Deathcore. But to an outsider, all metal music sounds the same.

I don't listen to R&B as much, so all R&B songs sound the same to me, regardless of any sort of subgenre culture that may exist.

Trap/Gangsta rap, same topics rapped about, different term.

Anytime I mentioned gangsta rap just assume that I'm including Trap, Drill, etc (because I actually was)... Like I said, different term same topics rapped about.

My concern isn't about the style, it's about the content, and like you just explained, they talk about the same chit NWA and the subsequent wave of 90s gangsta rappers talk about.

Man just say rap. Even the more "commercial" types of rap talk about goons, guns, and drugs like it's nothing. Also the softer types of rap, like cloud-rap, talks about drugs, and even guns to a certain extent.

Fair enough.

I try to leave room for rappers who don't about that kind of thing.

Non existent systemic racism? Lol
Systemic racism is well proven, just look at the us prisooj population

Don't really feel like addressing the rest of your post. honestly it's just going to go back and forth and go nowhere, but I would like to point out these things.you must not be familiar with a wide array of rap then to make such a statement.


-critcizes the Vietnam war and senseless violence


-stories about kids going through inner city struggles


-honestly a brilliant metaphorical take of the ills of society, violence and even criticizes rap itself, if you don't understand the lyrics, -https://genius.com/52660


-detailing his life and feelings of being broke, angry, desperate and depressed


-encouraging children that if they work hard they can achieve and be whoever they want to be, addresses slavery


- song is a metaphor, stopping the rain meaning he can stop all the negative stuff in his life and talks about following god


- song about a woman he loved, but how they could never be together forever because she had HIV and was going to die soon


- deals with inner city problems, i.e selling crack, and overall uplifting song


- deals with racism, his skin condition albinism, how he was treated and how he found islam as a way to find healing


- follows the story of a man trying to redeem himself but can't escape his past, his sister who's step-dad sexually abuses her and the step-dad himself, which ends up in a fight where the sister dies


Just a story-telling piece, plenty of songs follow this route as well.


- talks about state of hip-hop, fakes in hip-hop, etc, ironically it has the lyrics "Hip-Hop! It's home could never be a station". Basically saying that what is playing on the radio stations isn't hip-hop, and that there is so much more to hip-hop then what is playing on these stations. Which is true. It's only the most popular singles that are playing on the radio, where as thousands of rappers are putting out entire albums with great hip-hop.



And this is just several off the top of my head. There is WAY more than this. In addition, most hip-hop songs I know are fairly neutral. Neither promoting violence nor having a positive message. Just plain old lyrical hip-hop, story-telling, etc.. This is why I am puzzled when people spit out false generalities about hip-hop when it isn't how it is. Just because something is mainstream and something isn't, doesn't make it any less or any more hip-hop. Not all of these songs were popular or mainstream, but a lot of these have been popular at some point and actual hip-hop heads for the most part know about these songs. Lupe has been a very popular artist for a long time, Talib Kweli back in the day too, Eminem although known more for his controversial and mindless violence, drug popping in his lyrics has a lot of very real and meaningful songs, etc. Nas was a popular artist back in the 90s and early 00s and more known for his storytelling approach to hip-hop. Common was also popular in the 90's and mid 00s, he's also very anti-violence in hip-hop.

Yeah, I already posted the current Billboard top albums, and I've already listed the names of people in those top selling whose lyrics often revolve around violent criminality.

If you are going to post more songs in response, please just post the links and don't embed them.

DMX... I'm glad he's changed, but that dude used to rap about violent criminalty a lot. As I'm sure you know.

Nas... Mixed bag. He seemed be like tupac and tried to mix in 'conscious stuff' whilst still portraying a gangsta image. (ie. "We're the flyest Gangstas" song with AZ. Which is on the album before the one that features the song that you posted.)

Immortal Technique... He's been a favourite of mine. Dude has never been mainstream, he's basically only know to hip hop fans who search out non-mainstream stuff IME.

Jedi Mind Tricks - Again, IME basically only know to hip hop fans who search out non-mainstream stuff.

Common - Yep. Always conscious music.

Talib Kweli - Yep. Always conscious music.

Eminem... It took the death of his friend for him to begin to turn away from funny-violent lyrics (ie. Like Toy Soldiers). I'm glad he began to change though. I haven't listened to any of his stuff after The Eminem Show though.


KRS one - Dude has been around since the 80s, he's very critical of practically everything that I've criticized in hip hop. He would likely agree with the posters ITT when they talk about how destructive 'gangsta' lyrics are. I'm surprised you actually posted him.
Here is an interview, where he criticizes the state of hip hop...

(The videos is short.)



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XOfUK54OxPM


Based on the above video, do you think he's as accepting of rappers whose lyrics are about murder and drug dealing as you are?



I don't think that the songs you picked represent the majority of hip hop - which is what you quoted and responded to, so I'm guessing you are trying to convince me and others that it does. I'm guessing you didn't realize that I was familiar with many of the artists that you quoted.

The blacks are doing great tho

The more race baiting chit like that, the more likely this thread is to get closed, or deleted.

Dunno what to say

lol

I would say Nas is more on the story-telling type themes, with the portrayal of the streets/imagery being one of his main themes rather than outright glorification of street life and violence. Surprised that you actually like Immortal Technique since according to your standards he does have a lot of songs that would be classified as outright violent. Not sure why you would be surprised that I posted KRS. I'm aware of his opinions, just because I disagree with somebody's opinion, doesn't mean I dont fuk with their music. But KRS will probably disagree about how some people think hip-hop culture in general is violence and it's origins started with violence and what hip-hop actually means. If the music sounds good as well as the flow/delivery and a fuk with the lyrics, I'll listen to it, simple. There are plenty of rapper's politics I disagree with, I don't really care to be honest.

And I'm not really trying to convince you either since you seem to be set in your opinion, which is fine. I'm just disagreeing with you and providing examples as well as giving my opinion based on what has been released from the mid 80s (I don't listen to anything older than that really) to the present. Just because something is mainstream doesn't mean that those particular songs represent the majority of hip-hop, it's just what is popular at the moment. Based on what I've listened to and what was released over the years I find that alot of hip-hop is about women, story-telling, braggadocio, partying, random themes, so called conscious rap, yes there is a lot of "gangsta" rap too but that has calmed down alot since the mid 00s and not where it is now and I don't really see how gangsta rap is the majority.

I'm not against rappers promoting a positive message and sure the game could use some of that and less negativity. But I recognize at the end of the day it's mostly entertainment. And I recognize that issues such as poverty, lack of a traditional family, lack of education, etc have a very direct association with criminality and are the main culprits for that issue These were issues way before the advent of rap/hip-hop and wayyy before gangsta rap started to pick up steam.

You can look to particular events such as the "War on Crime" and the "War on Poverty" and "Welfare for single-parent households" which disproportionately affected black households and consequently left a lot of black children fatherless. The crack epidemic in the 80s-90s and crack consumption was also highly associated with higher homicide/crime rates. People who were broke and were on welfare made more money that they could imagine pitching that so why would they ever get a job and integrate into society? Blacks who grow up in a two-parent household with both parents working, basically a normal family, poverty rates are 5%. These aren't the people committing the crimes.

Around 70% of black children are without 1 of their parents as compared to the 20-25% before these policies. If you also look at homicide rates you will also see they spike up after 1965 which was when a lot of these policies were enacted and peaked in 1980. Then started to go up again in the late 80s to the mid 90s. Ever since then it's been trending down although it started to increase slightly again. A particular study linked this to a spike in opioid use amongst whites and the Ferguson incident and many there-after which had caused a renewed distrust among police in the black community. I'm more inclined to think it is certain policies, major events that cause these, way more than simply the propogation of "gangsta" rap. I feel as they are in many cases a symptom of the times. If many of the above issues were solved, less people would be able to identify with this type of music, less of it would be made and it may be less popular.

Trying to address rap music which is entertainment much like movies and video games at the end of the day and deeming it a significant influence is putting the cart before the horse imo.

lol @ the length of this thread
lol @ the people getting baited into it
lol @ giving a fuk about what strangers think about your music preferences

and fuking lmfao @ this MFer writing his dissertation on rap music in a misc argument.

lol @ not claiming to giving a fuk yet posting in this thread and reading my response

yeah, civil debate and discussion, wtf is that chit that chit wack

In this thread people argue that rap music will increase people's propensity to do gangsta things.

By that same logic if I start listening to R&B music, I'll turn into a chad that crushes sugar walls 24/7.

Literally every single modern day issue can be traced back to rap music. Literally every single one.

Well said, there is no point in beating around the bush with this issue