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Thread: UFC 235 DISCUSSION THREAD: Jones vs Smith

post 1574953091 03-03-2019, 11:28 AM
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does anyone else think the askren fight was more exciting than the rest of the entire card combined? loved that match up.
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Originally Posted By jfindon⏩
Wasn't there just a thread or video about how hard Askren's squeeze was? Robbie was out at least long enough for it to be called. We'll never know if he regained because Ben loosened up or not, but like I said before, no one's arm would go limp like that if they were conscious.
Again, it’s possible to break the jaw easily like that.

This is a guy who makes videos of him squeezing watermelons and random objects to demonstrate his squeeze power.

I myself could literally break someone just holding them like that. Ben has some legit slow twitch capacity too.
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Originally Posted By ANIMALISTIKZ⏩
does anyone else think the askren fight was more exciting than the rest of the entire card combined? loved that match up.
Yes because it's one of those fights were adversity was displayed after an initial onslaught that was eventually overturned.

I think if ben just blanket him the whole fight most would have said it's boring.
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post 1574955091 03-03-2019, 11:56 AM
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There really is no dispute. Rob went out, then woke up after ref stopped it complaining. But he went limp
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Lawler's arm limp looks similar to when Jones choked out Machida. Dude was out. Even if it was just for a second, such as a flash KO, he was out enough for Herb to call it.
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Its another one of those calls that if the ref had of let it go on ten seconds longer people would be raging that their job is to protect the fighter...I can hear it now "He went limp 20 seconds age. HB SUCKS....Thats brain damage right there!"

These situations are literally no win. In my personal opinion if a fighter goes limp, the fight gets called..
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Originally Posted By KingSWRV⏩
I myself could literally break someone just holding them like that. Ben has some legit slow twitch capacity too.
Stop saying this. YOU literally couldn’t.
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Originally Posted By sooby⏩
no, a hit and run on a preggo chick and being a cheater does
Why do you even care he's cheating?

Is he fukking your chick or something?

Just because people cheat, doesn't make them a scumbag, it's not an honourable thing to do but it doesn't make you a bad person
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Originally Posted By Hardcore_D00d⏩
There really is no dispute. Rob went out, then woke up after ref stopped it complaining. But he went limp
Fully agree. He was out. Your arm does not just fall like that when you're conscious and contracting your muscles.

Wanted Robbie to win but I wasn't super upset with that stoppage. Seemed legit at that moment in time.
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Originally Posted By MiniManletBrah⏩
Just because people cheat, doesn't make them a scumbag, it's not an honourable thing to do but it doesn't make you a bad person
I'm going to have to disagree with you on that one.

The preponderance of evidence seems to point pretty clearly to his claim that Jones is indeed a scumbag.

Drugs, DUI's (and therefore a lack of concern for the safety and the lives of others), lying, death threats, cheating both in and out of competition, and the utter lack of remorse for it all make it seem pretty open-and-shut in my opinion.

That doesn't mean he can't change, but as long as there's good guys in sports like DC, there's no reason not to point out the bad guys like Jones in contrast.
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post 1574959671 03-03-2019, 01:00 PM
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Originally Posted By Deathstroke⏩
Are we perfect? Do we make mistakes? George Bush got dui. We elected him President and reelected!
Good point. And I agreed with you already.
Originally Posted By DrewDarden⏩
I'm going to have to disagree with you on that one.

The preponderance of evidence seems to point pretty clearly to his claim that Jones is indeed a scumbag.

Drugs, DUI's (and therefore a lack of concern for the safety and the lives of others), lying, death threats, cheating both in and out of competition, and the utter lack of remorse for it all make it seem pretty open-and-shut in my opinion.

That doesn't mean he can't change, but as long as there's good guys in sports like DC, there's no reason not to point out the bad guys like Jones in contrast.
When Jon shows signs of changing, you let me know and I'll consider it.
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Originally Posted By DrewDarden⏩
I saw all of his fights in Bellator. But when he went to fight in Asia, I only saw clips after the fight.

You're correct that he never took any real damage. He also wasn't dishing out much damage either most of the time. In those Bellator fights, he would just wrestle the chit out of them. He didn't throw a ton of ground-and-pound, and when he did, it was mostly just light stuff to prevent the fight from being stood up. But he was still learning in those days. Maybe he can do his thing now and can cause more damage in the process. I want to believe too, but I think good strikers with really good footwork are going to piece him up.
I agree with you totally.
Originally Posted By DrewDarden⏩
Good point. And I agreed with you already.



When Jon shows signs of changing, you let me know and I'll consider it.
I really think Jon might be a sociopath.
Assuming all allegations are true... Him going on to lie / deny them, plus act like a man of god in front of the camera on top of that... Scary imo.
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Out or not, Ben has retard strong ogre squeeze for sure.

Ed Strangler Lewis had enough squeeze to put people out with headlocks above the ears.
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Yall mfers callin Ruthless Robert Lawler a goddam liar, smh.

Just go choke yourselves.
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Originally Posted By IrRon⏩
Yall mfers callin Ruthless Robert Lawler a goddam liar, smh.

Just go choke yourselves.
You're way too emotional about your hero losing to be having this conversation objectively.

Besides, no one is calling anyone a liar. Being unconscious does strange things to a person's brain. Robbie may not even remember being out. But the video does show that he was out.
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post 1574962581 03-03-2019, 01:47 PM
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Originally Posted By IrRon⏩
Yall mfers callin Ruthless Robert Lawler a goddam liar, smh.

Just go choke yourselves.
He might not have realized it.
My interpretation:
Robbie briefly goes out, dropping arm.
Looks like ben repositions a bit (or something), at which point we see hand movement and a thumbs up?
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Originally Posted By MiniManletBrah⏩
Why do you even care he's cheating?

Is he fukking your chick or something?

Just because people cheat, doesn't make them a scumbag, it's not an honourable thing to do but it doesn't make you a bad person
no I actually don't really care that he's cheating, doesn't mean that he isn't a scumbag for it, and these are only just two things over a laundry list.

Are you his fanboy or something?
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Originally Posted By DrewDarden⏩
You're way too emotional about your hero losing to be having this conversation objectively.

Besides, no one is calling anyone a liar. Being unconscious does strange things to a person's brain. Robbie may not even remember being out. But the video does show that he was out.
That might be partially true, not that any mma fighter is my "hero" tho...i just have a lot of respect for Lawler.

I'll give it a shot- why did his arm drop but the rest of his body remained rigid?
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Originally Posted By IrRon⏩
That might be partially true, not that any mma fighter is my "hero" tho...i just have a lot of respect for Lawler.

I'll give it a shot- why did his arm drop but the rest of his body remained rigid?
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lold hard @ jones' good boy act in the press conference

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Originally Posted By Twice11⏩
He might not have realized it.
My interpretation:
Robbie briefly goes out, dropping arm.
Looks like ben repositions a bit (or something), at which point we see hand movement and a thumbs up?
Ok even if he did go out for a split second why wasn't he given the opportunity to get his **** together that herp gave Askren after he was basically suplexed onto his head and shoulder and fed hard shots to his face/head while in side turtle mode?
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Originally Posted By Manletbolic⏩
This was after the sequence were Rob's arm went limp. And Herb rushed right over to stop it. Which as a referee, it's his job to stop the fight the moment he is convinced he needs to step in to protect the fighter (grey area)

Herb should have let it continue in my opinion

Noneless Robbie was not going anywhere. He wouldve black out again.

Edit - (2nd slide, you'll see robs arm started at the top during the bulldog choke and then go limp)
I feel like you say one thing and than go on to make a case for a stoppage.

Even if we are going to buy Lawler's argument that he was going to wait and let Askren burn himself out in that position, it's 100% on Lawler to make sure he lets Herb know that he is conscious.

Bottom line is to protect yourself at all times. You can't expect the ref to look at your arm go limp and in those critical few seconds determine that you are doing the ol playing dead routine as a strategy.
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Originally Posted By IrRon⏩
Ok even if he did go out for a split second why wasn't he given the opportunity to get his **** together that herp gave Askren after he was basically suplexed onto his head and shoulder and fed hard shots to his face/head while in side turtle mode?
Those weren’t hard shots lol.

They were fast and desperate but no harder than punching something while you’re in the push up position. Hardly enough to put someone out.

While a broken jaw would

And yes I have the power to break someone’s jaw like that. I have felt the potential lots of times and have to hold back in practice.
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Originally Posted By Mogambo⏩
I feel like you say one thing and than go on to make a case for a stoppage.

Even if we are going to buy Lawler's argument that he was going to wait and let Askren burn himself out in that position, it's 100% on Lawler to make sure he lets Herb know that he is conscious.

Bottom line is to protect yourself at all times. You can't expect the ref to look at your arm go limp and in those critical few seconds determine that you are doing the ol playing dead routine as a strategy.
Yeah, that’s not a winning strategy...
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Originally Posted By KingSWRV⏩
Those weren’t hard shots lol.

They were fast and desperate but no harder than punching something while you’re in the push up position. Hardly enough to put someone out.

While a broken jaw would

And yes I have the power to break someone’s jaw like that. I have felt the potential lots of times and have to hold back in practice.
Lol...Askren's face says different.

I just watched a longer post fight speech by Lawler- he said he felt zero danger from the head lock and was letting Askeen burn his arms out.

There are probably a thousand ways to break someone's jaw, I get it...do you really think you could break Robbie Lawler's jaw with your two hundred ton press headlock skills and even if you could do you think he'd give af?
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Originally Posted By DrewDarden⏩
I'm going to have to disagree with you on that one.

The preponderance of evidence seems to point pretty clearly to his claim that Jones is indeed a scumbag.

Drugs, DUI's (and therefore a lack of concern for the safety and the lives of others), lying, death threats, cheating both in and out of competition, and the utter lack of remorse for it all make it seem pretty open-and-shut in my opinion.

That doesn't mean he can't change, but as long as there's good guys in sports like DC, there's no reason not to point out the bad guys like Jones in contrast.
Let's not forget the super fake act that makes it all seem even worse tbh.
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Originally Posted By IrRon⏩
Yall mfers callin Ruthless Robert Lawler a goddam liar, smh.

Just go choke yourselves.
I would but I’m afraid herb dean would step in before I finished
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Originally Posted By chino3⏩
I would but I’m afraid herb dean would step in before I finished
Lol, legit concern.
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