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Thread: Is life too hard for men these days? (Srs)

post 1576903571 03-29-2019, 08:56 AM
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Originally Posted By InstantLoser⏩
I expect there is more than 1 type of mindset.. Nuance in other words. You're painting this as if there's only 1 type of guy, and all of them think these kinds of hypocritical/conflicting thoughts.

I think most guys would be happy to fulfill the traditional male role of provider if women would be willing to fulfill their traditional roles; But women aren't. Because women aren't interested in playing the role of mother, some men are also eschewing their roles as provider and walking away from the whole thing.

Also this isn't true either. Nobody cares if women work, but it makes about 1000% more sense for women to have kids early on (like your early 20's) to get that out of the way. Once the kids are grown up (or at least old enough that there's less need to be there parenting them 24/7.. like mid teenage), then go ahead and have a career. The problem is women who think they can either 1) Do both at the same time [you can't], or 2) Have kids later in life, when you're already in your later 30's and your body is nearing menopause, putting both the would-be mother and the baby at risk for all sorts of medical issues.
I am only really talking about the majority of posters on this site.

Like, I agree that laws favour women too much, the laws come from a time when women could only rely on her husband to provide for her. Women can now tick that box themselves so no need to favour women financially in divorce. -Which was only really because the man would still have his job and keep earning whilst the woman would have to wa put for another provider to come along which could have been a while. She still needs food and shelter.

Times have changed.

If the laws around divorce were changed then it wouldn’t be such a risk for most men.

I was kore laughing about how a lot of guys on this site feel like their role as men has been taken over by women. They want things back to how they were before women for working and yet the idea of actually supprting the woman both in martiage and after is ludicrous. Which is more the point I am trying to make. The I don’t want to pay for her coupled with the “I don’t want her to be ale to work” mindset.

Besides I don’t want children and a lot of men don’t want or can’t have children nowadays too... Would it be fair to make men support their wives and keep them comfortable at home whilst they go to work if there was no children in the mix? Probably not.

No denying the system needs shaking up, there are always going to be winners and losers but men too often seem to be the losers. In my own personal opinion, no fault divorces need to be done away with. If your spouse has cheated, abused you etc, then they are the ones who get raped in court.

I believe people would be much more careful about who they marry, about how they treat their spouse and about whether they divorce. Win-win.
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post 1576903861 03-29-2019, 08:59 AM
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Originally Posted By ChelshireCat⏩
Funny how a lot of men whinge about how their role as providers, protectors etc have been eroded because of the advancement of womens rights, such as women joining the workforce... and yet most of them would whine like a little bish if woman got to stay at home all day whilst the man had to work to pay for her.

Which is it?


You either wnat women working or you dont.

If you want women out of the work place (to cement yourselves as the ‘chief hunstman’ in this modern age), cool, in which case you can’t whine about woman “sitting at home on candy crush all day whilst I go out to put a roof over ours heads”.

- You also have no room to moan aboutmass immigrationto fill up all jobs that are still going to need doing in women stopped working.

Imagine being so threatened by another person being allowed to work to provide for themself because it diminishes your perceived “role as a man”.
We're careering away from what we as human beings where supposed to do. The further away from a diet that was intended for humans to consume - the fatter and sicker we get. The further away we go from gender roles that were intended for men and women - the more unhappy and dysfunctional we get. Why fight nature?

And what is it with women and open borders and mass immigration lol it's like "we need to submit to men, our native men have been indoctrinated by feminism we ourselves spout, so bring in the men from non feminism countries to put us in our place"
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Misc is so out of touch with reality lmfao, so many weak minded individuals ITT, and most of them are red. How you gonna call yourself a man when you're so threatened by women? There's a small essence of truth in what is being said, but it's then blown up 10,000x, honestly the misc is like some hilarious caricature of real life.

Here's a tip; if you want to succeed in life, wallowing in self pity and blaming everything else is not the way, because the world doesn't give a fuk and it never has. We have our hardships just like every other generation, but we have it no harder than previous generations. The challenges we face now are down to our lives being too easy and mostly exist in our minds.
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Originally Posted By seph1r⏩
lol wat

wageslaving for 8 hours a day (don't forget the ~2 hour daily commute), 5 days a week is having it "easy"?

UBI couldn't come fast enough
It's easier than people had it in the past... 8 hours a day 5 days a week would sound pretty sweet to my grandparents.
post 1576904131 03-29-2019, 09:04 AM
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Originally Posted By MuscleMorse⏩
We're careering away from what we as human beings where supposed to do. The further away from a diet that was intended for humans to consume - the fatter and sicker we get. The further away we go from gender roles that were intended for men and women - the more unhappy and dysfunctional we get. Why fight nature?

And what is it with women and open borders and mass immigration lol it's like "we need to submit to men, our native men have been indoctrinated by feminism we ourselves spout, so bring in the men from non feminism countries to put us in our place"
Funny thing about nature is it evolves with time.

Are you willing to have your new lady give up work upon first dating her whilst you solely provide for her? .. even before children, also bearing in mind it could be a while before she gets pregnant, if she even gets pregnant at all?

Also I don’t support immigration.
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post 1576904161 03-29-2019, 09:04 AM
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Pu$$y ass cope. Suck it up buttercup. The problem is this generation of males is way too soft.
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Life is deff hard I'm 18 years old 100 percent natty on that keto diet. My bench dropped from 500lbs raw for 2 to 405 raw for 2 in a month trying to go from 8 percent body fat at 250lbs to 4 percent for an npc show. Hang in there man with hard work and disaplin you can do it! BTW your physique is lacking quality dense muscle you need to do 5x5 and try gomad for a bit.
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Deff agree man, your avi is pretty lean but not lean enough to be proud of...id try keto if I were you really burns fat for a fuel source rather than carbs!
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Originally Posted By seph1r⏩
So what happens when 40% of jobs are taken by AI within the next 10 years and modern women persist to only bang 20% of males? There will be absolute chaos.
New jobs will be created to replace the old ones (like maintaining the automation). UBI has been proven to be a failed experiment.. Explain how it gets paid for? What's the point in taxing workers if you just give them back their taxes via UBI? Are you just going to print $$$ indefinitely, thus diluting the value of UBI/Money in general?

Explain it to me.
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post 1576904601 03-29-2019, 09:12 AM
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Originally Posted By ChelshireCat⏩
Funny thing about nature is it evolves with time.

Are you willing to have your new lady give up work upon first dating her whilst you solely provide for her? .. even before children, also bearing in mind it could be a while before she gets pregnant, if she even gets pregnant at all?

Also I don’t support immigration.
You seem like a strong woman but do you deadlift 2.5 x your current LBM? This is a very good goal for women to get to. The deadlift builds the pecs really well from the force chain interaction when breaking the weight from the floor. I reccomened ripptoes 5x5 and gomad even for a woman it will raise natural test levels and make you an even stronger woman.
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Originally Posted By ChelshireCat⏩
Funny thing about nature is it evolves with time.

Are you willing to have your new lady give up work upon first dating her whilst you solely provide for her? .. even before children, also bearing in mind it could be a while before she gets pregnant, if she even gets pregnant at all?

Also I don’t support immigration.
Yeah evolution is known for its speedy adaptions

The whole system is fukked. We've taken what women find most attractive in men gene/provider wise and we've convinced society to do the opposite. We've flooded our countries with third world people who share nothing in common with our values and customs and created a financial ponzi scheme that needs more people to keep it going.

We have a MSM that's sole purpose is to erode our values that built our first world countries.

Did you too steal your avi from some unsuspecting sloot like that thot earlier?
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Originally Posted By InstantLoser⏩
New jobs will be created to replace the old ones (like maintaining the automation). UBI has been proven to be a failed experiment.. Explain how it gets paid for? What's the point in taxing workers if you just give them back their taxes via UBI? Are you just going to print $$$ indefinitely, thus diluting the value of UBI/Money in general?

Explain it to me.
Yeah IMO giving free money has never worked and never will
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Originally Posted By seph1r⏩
lol wat

wageslaving for 8 hours a day (don't forget the ~2 hour daily commute), 5 days a week is having it "easy"?

UBI couldn't come fast enough
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you want to be me. and the only time you can get into my role is with a fake account. since we know how you look in real(bald, fat,ugly etc
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men act like women these days so idk OP you tell me if life is getting hard for men or if men are getting weak.
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its all about who u know if you hang around dummies and weed zombies growing up with no ambition and no one in your circle in successful then its gonna be harder for you....If you make at least 1k a week after tax with no student loans then your living better than most. Be grateful.
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Originally Posted By MuscleMorse⏩
Yeah evolution is known for its speedy adaptions

The whole system is fukked. We've taken what women find most attractive in men gene/provider wise and we've convinced society to do the opposite. We've flooded our countries with third world people who share nothing in common with our values and customs and created a financial ponzi scheme that needs more people to keep it going.

We have a MSM that's sole purpose is to erode our values that built our first world countries.

Did you too steal your avi from some unsuspecting sloot like that thot earlier?
You are confusing social adaptations with physical adaptations... social evolution happens much more quickly, it is part of what makes human seperate from the rest of the animal kingdom.

You never answered my question, I’ll rephrase slightly.

You meet woman, you like her, she likes you. Are you now prepared to completely support her financially now, since you would rather only men were in the workforce?
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Originally Posted By MuscleMorse⏩
We're careering away from what we as human beings where supposed to do. The further away from a diet that was intended for humans to consume - the fatter and sicker we get. The further away we go from gender roles that were intended for men and women - the more unhappy and dysfunctional we get. Why fight nature?
Originally Posted By ChelshireCat⏩
Funny thing about nature is it evolves with time.
Originally Posted By MuscleMorse⏩
Yeah evolution is known for its speedy adaptions
Originally Posted By ChelshireCat⏩
You are confusing social adaptations with physical adaptations... social evolution happens much more quickly, it is part of what makes human seperate from the rest of the animal kingdom.
lol wut. We're talking about evolution.
Originally Posted By ChelshireCat⏩
You never answered my question, I’ll rephrase slightly.

You meet woman, you like her, she likes you. Are you now prepared to completely support her financially now, since you would rather only men were in the workforce?
How was it done back when women didn't have jobs?
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Originally Posted By MuscleMorse⏩
lol wut. We're talking about evolution.



How was it done back when women didn't have jobs?
I'm going to initially assume your premise is that you want women to not be in the workforce, and you want them to resume traditional roles of child bearing and mothering. If this isn't an accurate representation of your argument, then please correct me.

That said, based on my presumption of your apparent argument, what is your proposed course of action which you would engage to get women to go back to the kitchen/barefoot pregnancy role? Would you simply force all companies to fire women via Government fiat? What would that look like? What would you do when a large portion of the male population fought you on it/white knighted for the women? Do you not see a potentially lethal conflict arising from this course of action..? Like Civil War 2.0?

The cat is already out of the bag. What is your plan to get the cat to go back?
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Originally Posted By MuscleMorse⏩
lol wut. We're talking about evolution.



How was it done back when women didn't have jobs?
Evolution encompasses both phyical and social change. Physical chnages happen over centuries, social changes happen much more quickly and tend to come with merging cultures.

So what would happen is men and women would get together, get married, the man would support the woman completely whilst she stayed and tidied the home. There was no accurate fertility testing available so men would have to gamble on whether the woman they chose could bear his children.

So would you marry a woman, pay for everything to keep her safe, fed and happy (while she sits at home watching Tv) on the off-chance that she may become the mother of your children and then have an actual reason to stay at home? I doubt it.
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Originally Posted By InstantLoser⏩
I'm going to initially assume your premise is that you want women to not be in the workforce, and you want them to resume traditional roles of child bearing and mothering. If this isn't an accurate representation of your argument, then please correct me.

That said, based on my presumption of your apparent argument, what is your proposed course of action which you would engage to get women to go back to the kitchen/barefoot pregnancy role? Would you simply force all companies to fire women via Government fiat? What would that look like? What would you do when a large portion of the male population fought you on it/white knighted for the women? Do you not see a potentially lethal conflict arising from this course of action..? Like Civil War 2.0?

The cat is already out of the bag. What is your plan to get the cat to go back?
My point isn't to offer a solution. Just to point out to certain people ITT that it was better then quality of life wise.

As far as solutions, I can't see a realistic scenario other than society hits a hard reset and we start all over again. We're in the good times create weak men part of the cycle so it's not too far away if things continue.
Originally Posted By ChelshireCat⏩
Evolution encompasses both phyical and social change. Physical chnages happen over centuries, social changes happen much more quickly and tend to come with merging cultures.

So what would happen is men and women would get together, get married, the man would support the woman completely whilst she stayed and tidied the home. There was no accurate fertility testing available so men would have to gamble on whether the woman they chose could bear his children.

So would you marry a woman, pay for everything to keep her safe, fed and happy (while she sits at home watching Tv) on the off-chance that she may become the mother of your children and then have an actual reason to stay at home? I doubt it.
I assume the old way of doing things meant the woman would be supported by her parents and then her new husband would take over. Then get some organic buns in that young oven. I'm cool with that.
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Originally Posted By InstantLoser⏩
Except being a woman in 2019.




This is absolutely backwards. Housing prices went up in response to women entering the workforce, not the other way around. You doubled the available supply of workers, ergo households now have 2x incomes, ergo prices increased to meet what was perceived as greater availability of family incomes. The irony being that 2x the available workers also caused the wage stagnation that people bitch about, making it now more or less "required" for both the man & woman to work just to acquire the basics that used to be achievable by a single earner (ie the man) while the woman stayed home and raised the kids. Now instead of the mother actually mothering her kids, the state gets to do it instead. Hmmm.. I wonder if this was the plan all along.
LOL at blaming women for rising house prices... Do you even economics brah?
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LOL at blaming women for rising house prices... Do you even economics brah?
Yes, I just showed you via basic economics why my statement was true. Do you have a legitimate counter-argument or is it going to be more of your usual feminist screeching?
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Yes, it is.

But you guys can flip the script by:

- connecting with your masculinity and assume a leadership position in your lives.
- this means be a great son, brother, father, husband, boyfriend, employee etc.
- Make goals and conquer chit leading to success.
- Put down the video games and go outside. Have experiences.
- Work hard, be responsible and most importantly, be impeccable with your word.
- Stand for nobody's bullchit. Be the man that the male role model in your life would be proud of.

Everything else will fall into place.
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Originally Posted By MuscleMorse⏩
My point isn't to offer a solution. Just to point out to certain people ITT that it was better then quality of life wise.

As far as solutions, I can't see a realistic scenario other than society hits a hard reset and we start all over again. We're in the good times create weak men part of the cycle so it's not too far away if things continue.



I assume the old way of doing things meant the woman would be supported by her parents and then her new husband would take over. I'm cool with that.
Assuming she a living father or her mother divorced her wealthy father and is is the receipt of alimony.

Say it takes her 10 years to get pregnant because of your low sperm count. Are you happy supporting her for those 10 years, she gets to enjoy the home and food you pay for? She would also benefit in divorce because she can have no income of her own, so you would have to pay alimony until she finds another provider? (Divorce laws were established in these times, they just haven’t changed yet).
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Originally Posted By InstantLoser⏩
Yes, I just showed you via basic economics why my statement was true. Do you have a legitimate counter-argument or is it going to be more of your usual feminist screeching?
I studied econ in college and I'm not a feminist. I voted for Trump FFS. Stop being bitter and angry about women.
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Originally Posted By DanielleGreen⏩
I studied econ in college
Funny, you don't seem to understand it even a little bit. This is a logical fallacy known as "Plea to Authority".
Originally Posted By DanielleGreen⏩
and I'm not a feminist.
Cool. Your posting history seems to reflect otherwise, but if you say so, I believe you.
Originally Posted By DanielleGreen⏩
I voted for Trump FFS.
Relevance?
Originally Posted By DanielleGreen⏩
Stop being bitter and angry about women.
Explain how me pointing out an economic reality = I hate women.

Yeah, you're not a feminist or anything.. You just use their arguments verbatim. Anyone who criticizes (or even points out a basic reality) about women = Misogynist.
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post 1576908391 03-29-2019, 10:08 AM
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Originally Posted By Desimus20⏩
- Harder to get women due to equality, feminism, social media, online dating etc
- Easier to develop isolation due to porn, video games and the internet.
- Estrogenic products/quality of food destroying tesosterone
- Harder to gain employment in entry level positions/companies
- High divorce rates / difficulty developing and sustaining a family


Is there any point in being a man anymore?
Since you have given up sleeping with girls and are unemployed you really aren't a man at that point, more of a boy-child.

What are you in here complaining about what it's like to be a man, boy? How would you know?
post 1576909081 03-29-2019, 10:17 AM
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Instant loser I am also an Economics major and my old man is in realestate.. While I do blame some of wage stagnation on women entering the work force wages by doubling the supply of labor.. I can't say that this is the cause of housing prices going up. If you think it is, go look at the number of single women who are home owners.

There are a chit ton of reasons why housing went up. It literally tripled over 18 years in the city I lived in since 2000, women in the work force were around for 50 years before this and were not the cause for the bubble, bruh.

Right wing globalist policy AND women entering the work force were both huge blows to the middle class though.
post 1576909831 03-29-2019, 10:27 AM
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Originally Posted By ChelshireCat⏩
Assuming she a living father or her mother divorced her wealthy father and is is the receipt of alimony.

Say it takes her 10 years to get pregnant because of your low sperm count. Are you happy supporting her for those 10 years, she gets to enjoy the home and food you pay for? She would also benefit in divorce because she can have no income of her own, so you would have to pay alimony until she finds another provider? (Divorce laws were established in these times, they just haven’t changed yet).
uwotm8?

She's late teens early twenties at most. I'm the same or slightly older. Her father/ mother supports her just like they always have. I swoop in with my CEO 10k/day and put a organic bun in the oven with my clomid infused mega load.

We live happily ever after with our 5 kids.
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