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post 1579345191 05-03-2019, 06:26 AM
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Originally Posted By Casca⏩
It seems you live in a world where people don't judge no matter how stupid it is.
No idea what you are trying to say here.
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Originally Posted By RedRusty⏩
Legit question, because this topic gets discussed a lot here.

Do lifters really care if other lifters are natty or not? Or is it just a topic of discussion?
I don't care at all personnaly.

The only thing that bothers me is when people blatanly lie about it. Like when Lance Amstrong made an ad for nike IIRC where he was saying like "What I am on ? I'm on my bike, busting my ass" implying all people who said he was on celltech were envious moron who can't work hard.

Dude is a parjure, a liar, a fraud and there is nothing respectable about that.

I can "understand" that one does not admit about his usage in pro sports (or if he is not an athlete either) but at least just keep your mouth shut and don't do an ad on how clean you are.
Originally Posted By Muzzlrpress⏩
Also, people tend to dismiss lifting advice/achievements.

Take bobby for instance. He's strong as hell and knows a lot about training, programming, diet, etc. Person a may ask him for advice about lifting, but upon finding out bobby ain't natty, they would disregard everything he says with "Well no wonder it works for you, you're not natty!".

All the years he spent grinding, planning, eating, and competing and now somehow rendered moot because people think it was as easy as not being natty.
Questionning an advice coming from an enhanced lifter does not mean you disregard his knowledge, works and so on, you might just ask yourself if the advice given can be apply to a natural lifter.

I mean, you can recover a lot faster on celltech so if someone told you to do x sets of squat/dead, etc. you might ask yourself if you will have the recovery abilities to do such amount of work as a natural lifter. Same for nutrition, the nutrition partitionning is different so going crazy on a bulk or on a cut might work well if you are on celltech but not so much if you are natural, etc.

Raising such questions does not undermine what an enhanced athletes do imho, you are just aware that what works for him might not works for you.

That being said, people who are successfull on celltech often have a good amount of natural years so their advice more often than not are goods but it should not be taken for granted at least that is my point of view on it.
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Originally Posted By arkona4trek⏩
I don't care at all personnaly.

The only thing that bothers me is when people blatanly lie about it. Like when Lance Amstrong made an ad for nike IIRC where he was saying like "What I am on ? I'm on my bike, busting my ass" implying all people who said he was on celltech were envious moron who can't work hard.

Dude is a parjure, a liar, a fraud and there is nothing respectable about that.

I can "understand" that one does not admit about his usage in pro sports (or if he is not an athlete either) but at least just keep your mouth shut and don't do an ad on how clean you are.



Questionning an advice coming from an enhanced lifter does not mean you disregard his knowledge, works and so on, you might just ask yourself if the advice given can be apply to a natural lifter.

I mean, you can recover a lot faster on celltech so if someone told you to do x sets of squat/dead, etc. you might ask yourself if you will have the recovery abilities to do such amount of work as a natural lifter. Same for nutrition, the nutrition partitionning is different so going crazy on a bulk or on a cut might work well if you are on celltech but not so much if you are natural, etc.

Raising such questions does not undermine what an enhanced athletes do imho, you are just aware that what works for him might not works for you.

That being said, people who are successfull on celltech often have a good amount of natural years so their advice more often than not are goods but it should not be taken for granted at least that is my point of view on it.
that's exactly why I would never take any advice from a non natty about lifting whatsoever also see pic below lol.




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Originally Posted By armies⏩
Yw, I admire female natty bodybuilders a lot, they can build good muscle and I find it attractive, I just don't like it when they take dat dere creatine (you know what I mean) and they start to look like a man, yuck
I've never even tried creatine!!!! And that's pretty rare for any natty...That could be part of why I'm ripped (lower body sculpted, but not ripped...I'm female!). But no, never touched creatine...and I'm working explosively 95% of the time....
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Originally Posted By nm1891⏩
No idea what you are trying to say here.
These are the best posts though, Ironically
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Originally Posted By etet1919⏩
I've never even tried creatine!!!! And that's pretty rare for any natty...That could be part of why I'm ripped (lower body sculpted, but not ripped...I'm female!). But no, never touched creatine...and I'm working explosively 95% of the time....
I also avoid creatine (the real creatine) all it does is make me bloated/puffy in the face and makes me maybe 1 or 2 reps stronger on high rep sets, that's it, not worth it to me since I'm obsessed with being ripped af
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Originally Posted By armies⏩
I also avoid creatine (the real creatine) all it does is make me bloated/puffy in the face and makes me maybe 1 or 2 reps stronger on high rep sets, that's it, not worth it to me since I'm obsessed with being ripped af
Believe or not, I'm "obsessed" with pushing bigger numbers...within reason, of course! Can't always do that after all these years, though! That's what creates a "challenge" (or anxiety..lol) for me, at times. But, I like trying to exceed my own "challenges."

I thought creatine would help with lifting the heaviest weight within the lower rep range...or with any explosive type of training. This sup (which is natural), could probably help any lifter or fitness enthusiast. But, I guess I'd rather stay on the lean side than look "bloated"....? Also, a close family member of mine has kidney issues...Don't know if there's a relation. In 99% of cases, I'd venture to say 'not related.'
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Originally Posted By etet1919⏩
I've never even tried creatine!!!! And that's pretty rare for any natty...That could be part of why I'm ripped (lower body sculpted, but not ripped...I'm female!). But no, never touched creatine...and I'm working explosively 95% of the time....
Ever had a steak?
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Originally Posted By TBO1313⏩
Let me let you in on a little secret OP. About 90% of those gym rats over 30 who look like they lift are not natty. Not to say that their bodies are not able to be achieved natty but why workout and diet that hard when there is a shortcut that is one MD visit away?
Speak for yourself brah
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I don't look at creatine in the same class. <shrugs> I don't use it, but only because I get water weight from hell from it.
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Originally Posted By 2020Wellness⏩
Ever had a steak?
I think all meat has creatine in it but I could be wrong.
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Originally Posted By allianc3⏩
Thread is pretty funny. Repped

Edit: changed my mind
Lifetime natty you say.

Also inb4 nattygraham
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Originally Posted By 2020Wellness⏩
Ever had a steak?
I have
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Originally Posted By etet1919⏩
Believe or not, I'm "obsessed" with pushing bigger numbers...within reason, of course! Can't always do that after all these years, though! That's what creates a "challenge" (or anxiety..lol) for me, at times. But, I like trying to exceed my own "challenges."

I thought creatine would help with lifting the heaviest weight within the lower rep range...or with any explosive type of training. This sup (which is natural), could probably help any lifter or fitness enthusiast. But, I guess I'd rather stay on the lean side than look "bloated"....? Also, a close family member of mine has kidney issues...Don't know if there's a relation. In 99% of cases, I'd venture to say 'not related.'
You are the best
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lots of the dudes at the gym that you think are 'natty' at the gym aren't. that dude who is an absolute freak, is either on tren or very disciplined
You guys, I'm seriously
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Originally Posted By jonnyninetails⏩
Speak for yourself brah
I have access to medical records brah.
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A good part of gym rats are not natty, it is talked freely. No1 gives a **** as long as you don't downplay their impact on strength,recovery, muscle building. It is a different game.
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Originally Posted By RackaDo⏩
lots of the dudes at the gym that you think are 'natty' at the gym aren't. that dude who is an absolute freak, is either on tren or very disciplined
I agree
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Originally Posted By TBO1313⏩
Let me let you in on a little secret OP. About 90% of those gym rats over 30 who look like they lift are not natty. Not to say that their bodies are not able to be achieved natty but why workout and diet that hard when there is a shortcut that is one MD visit away?
If you’re talking about TRT then they’re not exactly using super physiological doses bro.

TRT is just meant to keep your levels in normal range that most 20 year olds have naturally.

If your excuse is their on TRT for why they look better than you you’re stupid as f*ck and have no idea how lifting/physiques work anyway so enjoy your life of being a beta.
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Originally Posted By SoutheastBeast1⏩
If you’re talking about TRT then they’re not exactly using super physiological doses bro.

TRT is just meant to keep your levels in normal range that most 20 year olds have naturally.

If your excuse is their on TRT for why they look better than you you’re stupid as f*ck and have no idea how lifting/physiques work anyway so enjoy your life of being a beta.
I do NOT see anyone on TRT as a natty though
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Its always the Natty's that are salty AF and make threads filled with this kind of garbage...LOL'z. Literally never see it the other way around and for good reason.
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Originally Posted By RackaDo⏩
lots of the dudes at the gym that you think are 'natty' at the gym aren't. that dude who is an absolute freak, is either on tren or very disciplined
I’d agree with this. Different compounds do different. Test for example is likely not to turn someone into an automatic freak. It’s a boost but nothing overwhelming and lots of people still look like garbage on some of the more mild products out there
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Originally Posted By armies⏩
I do NOT see anyone on TRT as a natty though
Uh those older guys that the post I quoted described are usually on TRT you dumb red.

You’d have to actually step foot in the gym once in awhile to know the demographic that post is describing so I see why you’re struggling
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Posting in daily natty vs. gear thread.



I'll be 45 in a a little over a month (Jesus...) and definitely have a harder time in the gym than I did at my strongest 10 years ago. So what? No reason to get on gear because I'm actually worried about my long-term health and not aesthetics. I've never looked like an action figure, but was stronger than 95% of the people in the gym on gear because I busted my ass way more. When they were posing and flexing in the mirror, I was pushing weights. I have zero issue with dudes on gear who put in the work; those dudes look amazing and are actually strong. But these DYEL ****s who get on gear so they can look good but don't even bother with a legitimate routine? 100% losers.
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You guys are just weak pussies. Anyone can look like Big Ramy if they really train for it

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Originally Posted By SoutheastBeast1⏩
Uh those older guys that the post I quoted described are usually on TRT you dumb red.

You’d have to actually step foot in the gym once in awhile to know the demographic that post is describing so I see why you’re struggling
This..

Older guy here...
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Originally Posted By SoutheastBeast1⏩
Uh those older guys that the post I quoted described are usually on TRT you dumb red.

You’d have to actually step foot in the gym once in awhile to know the demographic that post is describing so I see why you’re struggling
In my eyes they are not natty, not need to become rude though, that was uncalled for
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Originally Posted By 1slo5oh⏩
This..

Older guy here... been on TRT for 7 years now, diagnosed by my family physician not some seedy T clinic. All it does is bring you up to optimal T levels for your age which can be a huge game changer if your nutrition and training are on point... The salty natty's can call it whatever they want to call it.. I couldn't possible give less fks. It wont change what I do
Hmmm...tell me more.
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Originally Posted By 1slo5oh⏩
Its always the Natty's that are salty AF and make threads filled with this kind of garbage...LOL'z. Literally never see it the other way around and for good reason.
Yeah, It's like that on social media. Just look at any athlete accomplishment that is posted on there. There is always an accusation to discredit what they did and it's almost always by some salty fat fukk that hasn't worked out in years.
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Originally Posted By ImpressiveGainz⏩
Posting in daily natty vs. gear thread.



I'll be 45 in a a little over a month (Jesus...) and definitely have a harder time in the gym than I did at my strongest 10 years ago. So what? No reason to get on gear because I'm actually worried about my long-term health and not aesthetics. I've never looked like an action figure, but was stronger than 95% of the people in the gym on gear because I busted my ass way more. When they were posing and flexing in the mirror, I was pushing weights. I have zero issue with dudes on gear who put in the work; those dudes look amazing and are actually strong. But these DYEL ****s who get on gear so they can look good but don't even bother with a legitimate routine? 100% losers.
I'm 42 and still strong as always, I bench twice my body weight, and squat 3 times my body weight, my deadlift is a bit behind though, but not by much. I'm natty for life, I'll never be a non-natty TRT cheater that's for sure (I do however get my 8-9 hrs of sleep and avoid stress, maybe that's why my test level and libido is still high)
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