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05-06-2019, 04:32 PM
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Originally Posted By ohiostate124⏩
Its in line with most of the other deaths too, paragons of virtue that end up getting outfoxed by the unethical types. Except it looks like she might turn bad in time to burn it all to the ground.I agree. Its actually completely understandable why she’d go Mad Queen at this point. She listens to Tyrion and loses most of her fleet. Then she goes north and loses a dragon and most of her army. Then, on the way back south, she loses another dragon, pretty much the rest of her fleet, and her best friend. The show is trying to make her look nuts because Targ bloodline, etc. and now, her advisors are scheming to get rid of her. Its kind of a fuked up way to write her ending but it is what it is at this point.
People can talk chit about the direction the show has taken, I'm in full agreeance that it is rushed as hell and they're scrambling to tie things up, probably at the behest of the HBO execs more than anything else, but they still have time to tie up some major story threads in a decent way and Danys arc is one I want to see done well.
I don't think the writing is bad, I think the runtime they have to squash that amount of writing into is bad. They probably had/have well written and fully fleshed out storylines all ready to go and had to start trimming, then trimming more, and more and more until they ended up with what we have. HBO wants it wrapped up and they want it wrapped up now for some reason, that reason probably being that they don't see the return they want on funding that extra season we needed to wrap things up properly. I'd wager that it was a hard negotiation to even have HBO give them three 80-90 minute episodes.
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Originally Posted By Huberus⏩
This guy gets it.Because there are rules in feudal society. Not killing anyone during a parley is probably one of the biggest. Cersei would have immediately lost any support she had if she broke that rule, doing chit like that, even in the real world during the middle ages would be the beginning of the end of your reign. Even histories greatest psychopaths knew that, the ones who ignored it ended up in pieces or murdered in pretty short order.
Assassination was fine as long as you had plausible deniability, but to murder someone who has come to you in good faith would have been as good as losing the war right then.
Assassination was fine as long as you had plausible deniability, but to murder someone who has come to you in good faith would have been as good as losing the war right then.
Everyone is forgetting about the position Cersi was in at the time she used Wildfire.
She is captured
She is paying for her sins
She has no future.
Different scenario from being the Queen of the seven kingdoms, free, high on top of your castle with everyone following your every order.
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05-06-2019, 04:34 PM
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Originally Posted By deeAvi⏩
How is it no consistent with the traits that we've seen displayed in previous seasons?thats not consistent
. she had 8 seasons to go mad.
You don't agree that the all the things she's experience this season; losing her love, finding out she has a legitimate challenge to what she's believe since she was young was her lifelong destiny, losing a dragon, losing her 2 best friends, experiencing hostility from northerners, etc, are credible circumstance for her worst elements to come to the surface?slave owners had it coming
Like Tyrion said (and it was shown) there were consequences to her harsh rule, and she even executed innocent people (like the man who came and said that his father wanted to free/end slaves... Or something like that).Now in this episode after her dragon was killed, she's ready to commit straight genocide on the people of king's landing, just to get to Cersei.
Jon nor Sansa would be willing to kill the people for the Throne.
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05-06-2019, 04:36 PM
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Originally Posted By Huberus⏩
Nah HBO practically begged them to do 10 seasons.Its in line with most of the other deaths too, paragons of virtue that end up getting outfoxed by the unethical types. Except it looks like she might turn bad in time to burn it all to the ground.
People can talk chit about the direction the show has taken, I'm in full agreeance that it is rushed as hell and they're scrambling to tie things up, probably at the behest of the HBO execs more than anything else, but they still have time to tie up some major story threads in a decent way and Danys arc is one I want to see done well.
I don't think the writing is bad, I think the runtime they have to squash that amount of writing into is bad. They probably had/have well written and fully fleshed out storylines all ready to go and had to start trimming, then trimming more, and more and more until they ended up with what we have. HBO wants it wrapped up and they want it wrapped up now for some reason, that reason probably being that they don't see the return they want on funding that extra season we needed to wrap things up properly. I'd wager that it was a hard negotiation to even have HBO give them three 80-90 minute episodes.
People can talk chit about the direction the show has taken, I'm in full agreeance that it is rushed as hell and they're scrambling to tie things up, probably at the behest of the HBO execs more than anything else, but they still have time to tie up some major story threads in a decent way and Danys arc is one I want to see done well.
I don't think the writing is bad, I think the runtime they have to squash that amount of writing into is bad. They probably had/have well written and fully fleshed out storylines all ready to go and had to start trimming, then trimming more, and more and more until they ended up with what we have. HBO wants it wrapped up and they want it wrapped up now for some reason, that reason probably being that they don't see the return they want on funding that extra season we needed to wrap things up properly. I'd wager that it was a hard negotiation to even have HBO give them three 80-90 minute episodes.
Writers wanted out so they can go help ruin Star Wars and make their own show called Confederate where the North didn't win the Civil War. I'm sure these two turds will really handle that nuance well.
05-06-2019, 04:39 PM
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Originally Posted By BetaAsPhuck⏩
Killing the Tarlys tooIMO they've been slowing hinting at this, from Season 1. She's had a growing sense of entitlement (eg. her 52 titles before her name).
Tyrion was trying to reign in her temper back on that Slave city, when she ordered the crucifixion of all slave masters.
I think this is a great way to end her character arc, a consistent way.
Tyrion was trying to reign in her temper back on that Slave city, when she ordered the crucifixion of all slave masters.
I think this is a great way to end her character arc, a consistent way.
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05-06-2019, 04:41 PM
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Originally Posted By GotNext⏩
This might be the dumbest post in this whole thread. You do realize that people are complaining that the level of the writing has sunk to the level, or even below that of the Marvel movies?Which is EXACTLY what Game of Thrones was never about.
Ned is not guilty, Sansa agrees to everything and will be Joeffreys bride - Ned dies anyway.
Robb Stark is a natural leader, unifies the North, choses to do the right thing every time - dies at the hands of the scum of the earth.
Lord Commander is an honorable dude, second father to all the Black - gets stabbed by his own men in the back for being honorable.
Yet everyone around here is like HERPDERP HEROES WIN, BADDIES LOSE!!!
If you want cookie-cutter, then stick to comic books and Marvel movies. Worst case you can reverse everything via time travel and you have have your happy-end.
Ned is not guilty, Sansa agrees to everything and will be Joeffreys bride - Ned dies anyway.
Robb Stark is a natural leader, unifies the North, choses to do the right thing every time - dies at the hands of the scum of the earth.
Lord Commander is an honorable dude, second father to all the Black - gets stabbed by his own men in the back for being honorable.
Yet everyone around here is like HERPDERP HEROES WIN, BADDIES LOSE!!!
If you want cookie-cutter, then stick to comic books and Marvel movies. Worst case you can reverse everything via time travel and you have have your happy-end.
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Originally Posted By Brad_Pitt⏩
Thanks for reminding me!Killing the Tarlys too
I think they wrote her character arc really damn well.
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05-06-2019, 04:46 PM
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Originally Posted By deeAvi⏩
What would be bad about that? There'a certain symmetry to him being known originally as "kingslayer" and him possibly ending up being "queenslayer" as well... and once agin.... for the good of the realm.this season is just awful. like look at pic above. too many plot holes.if jamie kills cersei ill be super disappointed for how predictive they made it.if he actually turns evil again now thatd be good. imagine him beheading brianne
Him killing Brienne would be even more WTF than the love scene that just happened between them. A shock just for kicks.
Still maintain that Brienne should have died in the Long Night battle along with Greyworm. Literally no purpose in having those 2 around anymore.
05-06-2019, 04:48 PM
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Originally Posted By juvefan⏩
Pm.me.for.reps.I just read leaks of the next two episodes, im literally dying of laughter, we a comedy now
05-06-2019, 04:51 PM
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Originally Posted By deeAvi⏩
Man, at this point anything beats "unexpected" again.this season is just awful. like look at pic above. too many plot holes. if jamie kills cerseiill be super disappointed for how predictive they made it. if he actually turns evil again now thatd be good. imagine him beheading brianne
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05-06-2019, 04:53 PM
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Originally Posted By GotNext⏩
Man dude you're really nut hugging the writing in this season hard.Whats not to like about the Bronn scene? lmao
He is a cutthroat/sellsword.
1. Tyrion meets him, because he needed a champion and he decided he will risk it for the money, they had no allegiance before
2. Jaime promises him a Castle and a Wife for his services
From his perspective he hasn't been paid and doesn't want to hear chit from them, other than what he can get for sparing their lives, rather than saving their lives in the past.
Let me guess, you wanted a brohug and then they crack open a few beer and have a battle of funny one-liners?
He is a cutthroat/sellsword.
1. Tyrion meets him, because he needed a champion and he decided he will risk it for the money, they had no allegiance before
2. Jaime promises him a Castle and a Wife for his services
From his perspective he hasn't been paid and doesn't want to hear chit from them, other than what he can get for sparing their lives, rather than saving their lives in the past.
Let me guess, you wanted a brohug and then they crack open a few beer and have a battle of funny one-liners?
In all the previous seasons Bronn was a cheeky kunt. Even cheekier around the Lannister dudes. He's not once been portrayed as an ******* villain. Then in this one scene he comes rolling up on the two dudes he's been coolest with in the entire show and goes full on villain *******. The entire scene was just terribly written.
Everyone i watched the show with were totally shocked at the 200% roid rage moment Bronn showed from the beginning of the scene. The writers goofed by not providing a catalyst for his over the top anger. He should of been a cheeky kunt at first... then roid raged. Instead they left out the cheeky kunt stuff completely. Which made the scene seem completely unauthentic.
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Originally Posted By BetaAsPhuck⏩
Yeah I don't hate it. I think she just needed a better actor. Like Alicia Vikander or something.Thanks for reminding me!
I think they wrote her character arc really damn well.
I think they wrote her character arc really damn well.
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05-06-2019, 04:54 PM
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Originally Posted By BetaAsPhuck⏩
Yeah, I agree with it. But the writing has been no **** and so rushed it's not convincing.You don't agree that the all the things she's experience this season; losing her love, finding out she has a legitimate challenge to what she's believe since she was young was her lifelong destiny, losing a dragon, losing her 2 best friends, experiencing hot
05-06-2019, 04:55 PM
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Same. Except I already prepaid.Pm.me.for.reps.
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05-06-2019, 04:57 PM
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Originally Posted By nvrstopworking⏩
I'm not sure why Jamie and Brienne surprised anyone, I thought that it was clear they had feelings for each other since they parted once she brought him to King's landing.Just finished the ep.
LOL.
This show has become feminist trope aimed at 18yr old girls. First half of the ep is a series of romance novels.... and the latter half is all the men in show prostrating themselves before women. Jaime and Brienne???? Really???
LOL.
This show has become feminist trope aimed at 18yr old girls. First half of the ep is a series of romance novels.... and the latter half is all the men in show prostrating themselves before women. Jaime and Brienne???? Really???
I don't know how you would call the first 35 minutes 'feminist trope', it involved 40 somethings Giant milk brah and The Hound getting offered sex from college aged girls. It involved a bunch of dudes drinking, and congratulating each other on fighting well.
You also seemingly ignored Dany teary eyed begging of Jon, and Brienne teary eyed Begging of Jamie. Men begged women, and women begged men.
I've noticed that miscers seems to have a strong selective focus when it comes to TV and film, ignoring things that go against the "everything is SJW" narrative
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05-06-2019, 05:03 PM
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I guess this is how you ruin a show (re: current season). First Lost, now this.
I miss how GoT used to be 10-hour movies every season, but the writing is killing it completely now.
I miss how GoT used to be 10-hour movies every season, but the writing is killing it completely now.
05-06-2019, 05:05 PM
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Originally Posted By faxanadu⏩
I thought he was still his usual cheeky kunt self. He fired the crossbow because Tyrion called him out as not being a danger to them and he pulled that punch on Tyrion and joked about knowing what it feels like to break a nose, again, because Tyrion called him out as not being dangerous to them. He was just laying down the law but still showed them some love as an old friend in his own way.Man dude you're really nut hugging the writing in this season hard.
In all the previous seasons Bronn was a cheeky kunt. Even cheekier around the Lannister dudes. He's not once been portrayed as an ******* villain. Then in this one scene he comes rolling up on the two dudes he's been coolest with in the entire show and goes full on villain *******. The entire scene was just terribly written.
Everyone i watched the show with were totally shocked at the 200% roid rage moment Bronn showed from the beginning of the scene. The writers goofed by not providing a catalyst for his over the top anger. He should of been a cheeky kunt at first... then roid raged. Instead they left out the cheeky kunt stuff completely. Which made the scene seem completely unauthentic.
In all the previous seasons Bronn was a cheeky kunt. Even cheekier around the Lannister dudes. He's not once been portrayed as an ******* villain. Then in this one scene he comes rolling up on the two dudes he's been coolest with in the entire show and goes full on villain *******. The entire scene was just terribly written.
Everyone i watched the show with were totally shocked at the 200% roid rage moment Bronn showed from the beginning of the scene. The writers goofed by not providing a catalyst for his over the top anger. He should of been a cheeky kunt at first... then roid raged. Instead they left out the cheeky kunt stuff completely. Which made the scene seem completely unauthentic.
It didn't seem overly ragey to me at all. He was in an entirely hostile place so it wasn't off for him to be a bit more blunt and on edge considering he probably just climbed a wall and snuck into the bedroom of the Queens hand. He honoured the deal Tyrion made with him he said his piece, listened to theirs then left after wishing them luck in his own uniquely Bronn way.
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05-06-2019, 05:05 PM
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Originally Posted By BetaAsPhuck⏩
This **** definitely ruins the thread after watching the episode. No actual dialogue, just bashing.I'm not sure why Jamie and Brienne surprised anyone, I thought that it was clear they had feelings for each other since they parted once she brought him to King's landing.
I don't know how you would call the first 35 minutes 'feminist trope', it involved 40 somethings Giant milk brah and The Hound getting offered sex from college aged girls. It involved a bunch of dudes drinking, and congratulating each other on fighting well.
You also seemingly ignored Dany teary eyed begging of Jon, and Brienne teary eyed Begging of Jon. Men begged women, and women begged men.
I've noticed that miscers seems to have a strong selective focus when it comes to TV and film, ignoring things that go against the "everything is SJW" narrative
I don't know how you would call the first 35 minutes 'feminist trope', it involved 40 somethings Giant milk brah and The Hound getting offered sex from college aged girls. It involved a bunch of dudes drinking, and congratulating each other on fighting well.
You also seemingly ignored Dany teary eyed begging of Jon, and Brienne teary eyed Begging of Jon. Men begged women, and women begged men.
I've noticed that miscers seems to have a strong selective focus when it comes to TV and film, ignoring things that go against the "everything is SJW" narrative
05-06-2019, 05:06 PM
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Originally Posted By BetaAsPhuck⏩
I'm not sure why Jamie and Brienne surprised anyone, I thought that it was clear they had feelings for each other since they parted once she brought him to King's landing.
Now Tormond gets to MAC.
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05-06-2019, 05:06 PM
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Originally Posted By Huberus⏩
It was a wedding, and everyone had guest right. It has been mentioned in the show before, and also the books. Breaking guest right is one of the most "evil" things that can be done in this society. In no world is attacking someone during a parlay outside your gates going to be considered more "evil" than slaughtering guests you've invited to a wedding.And he and his entire House was wiped from existence, nobody cared to help or avenge him. That was an assassination anyway, nobody was requesting a parley.
As far as the Sept goes, again, plausible deniability. As far as Joe Blow on the street of Kings Landing goes, it was a terrible accident or perpetrated by saboteurs. As far a the other Lords of the Seven Kingdoms goes, there isn't enough proof that it was Cersei for them to be bound to acting.
When its a Queen standing at your gate for a parley and you shoot her down without provocation, the world will turn on you in an instant and you won't be afforded any mercy. If you don't follow the most unbreakable rules the world has to offer then nobody can work with you, not only can they not work with you but they'll join any side opposing you and withdraw all support.
As far as the Sept goes, again, plausible deniability. As far as Joe Blow on the street of Kings Landing goes, it was a terrible accident or perpetrated by saboteurs. As far a the other Lords of the Seven Kingdoms goes, there isn't enough proof that it was Cersei for them to be bound to acting.
When its a Queen standing at your gate for a parley and you shoot her down without provocation, the world will turn on you in an instant and you won't be afforded any mercy. If you don't follow the most unbreakable rules the world has to offer then nobody can work with you, not only can they not work with you but they'll join any side opposing you and withdraw all support.
What Plausible deniability? And to whom? Joe blow on the street doesn't care about her fuking honor. He cares about fuking his wife and his kid eating. The idea that the "common folk" would rise up against Cersei for dishonoring a Parlay with a Queen of Savages, Northman Hillbillies, and eunuchs is laughable bro. As far as the other Lords of the Seven Kingdoms go. What fuking Lords? Her Army is primarily Mercenaries and Pirates with Lannister men to back it up.
Who the fuk are you talking about? Who the fuk is the world in regards to turning on Cersei?
Dorne? Already for Dany.
North? Already for Dany.
Tyrell? Dead, were for Dany.
Tarly? Dead/for Dany
Storms End? They were for Stannis/Renly. Dead.
Eyrie? For Dany
Riverrun? For the North or dead.
There is no "World" to turn on Cersei that hasn't already turned on her, and certainly no one is that is going to turn on her for breaking Parlay at this point. You're just trying to explain away something stupid that doesn't deserve it. The writing is just bad. It's fine if you still enjoy it.
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Dang, the leaps these ******* writers took. Making Sansa a power broker when Robin really is. Building up tension with Dany when clearly they shouldn't be because she fuking saves them! Varys lol, why wasn't he littlefingered, i mean he also betrayed Ned, brb Bran still uploading memories must be.
Looks like Cersai, Euron got some of that Stark plot armor.
Dragons in the air can't spot ships miles away,but but but they were hiding behind a cliff...then how did they fire clear shots and how did said ships fire accurate arrows in a moving sea, geezus.
They are making it worse instead of better, do they actually plan out the writing at this point?
Looks like Cersai, Euron got some of that Stark plot armor.
Dragons in the air can't spot ships miles away,but but but they were hiding behind a cliff...then how did they fire clear shots and how did said ships fire accurate arrows in a moving sea, geezus.
They are making it worse instead of better, do they actually plan out the writing at this point?
05-06-2019, 05:10 PM
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Originally Posted By GotNext⏩
we just going to ignore the fact that Bronn has regressive character arc + suddenly became batman and shows up and dissapears at will nowWhats not to like about the Bronn scene? lmao
He is a cutthroat/sellsword.
1. Tyrion meets him, because he needed a champion and he decided he will risk it for the money, they had no allegiance before
2. Jaime promises him a Castle and a Wife for his services
From his perspective he hasn't been paid and doesn't want to hear chit from them, other than what he can get for sparing their lives, rather than saving their lives in the past.
Let me guess, you wanted a brohug and then they crack open a few beer and have a battle of funny one-liners?
He is a cutthroat/sellsword.
1. Tyrion meets him, because he needed a champion and he decided he will risk it for the money, they had no allegiance before
2. Jaime promises him a Castle and a Wife for his services
From his perspective he hasn't been paid and doesn't want to hear chit from them, other than what he can get for sparing their lives, rather than saving their lives in the past.
Let me guess, you wanted a brohug and then they crack open a few beer and have a battle of funny one-liners?
05-06-2019, 05:12 PM
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Everyone mad about how Bronn acting with Tyrion/Jaime.
I'm just here wondering how someone like Bronn can stroll into enemy territory during an active war with a giant ass loaded Crossbow and just stroll to wherever the Hand of the Queen is drinking.
Pretty sure with this writing team, "20 good men" could just end the whole war right now. Just roll up and assassinate Jon/Dany/Sansa since they all just chill unguarded in a city that apparently has open gates and lets just whoever the fuk roll into town armed then have freedom to move about the castles as they please.
I'm just here wondering how someone like Bronn can stroll into enemy territory during an active war with a giant ass loaded Crossbow and just stroll to wherever the Hand of the Queen is drinking.
Pretty sure with this writing team, "20 good men" could just end the whole war right now. Just roll up and assassinate Jon/Dany/Sansa since they all just chill unguarded in a city that apparently has open gates and lets just whoever the fuk roll into town armed then have freedom to move about the castles as they please.
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05-06-2019, 05:13 PM
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Originally Posted By ANIMALISTIKZ⏩
same here. i could use a laugh at this pointPm.me.for.reps.
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05-06-2019, 05:14 PM
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Originally Posted By Tanerian⏩
that entire scene was a big cringe festEveryone mad about how Bronn acting with Tyrion/Jaime.
I'm just here wondering how someone like Bronn can stroll into enemy territory during an active war with a giant ass loaded Crossbow and just stroll to wherever the Hand of the Queen is drinking.
Pretty sure with this writing team, "20 good men" could just end the whole war right now. Just roll up and assassinate Jon/Dany/Sansa since they all just chill unguarded in a city that apparently has open gates and lets just whoever the fuk roll into town armed then have freedom to move about the castles as they please.
I'm just here wondering how someone like Bronn can stroll into enemy territory during an active war with a giant ass loaded Crossbow and just stroll to wherever the Hand of the Queen is drinking.
Pretty sure with this writing team, "20 good men" could just end the whole war right now. Just roll up and assassinate Jon/Dany/Sansa since they all just chill unguarded in a city that apparently has open gates and lets just whoever the fuk roll into town armed then have freedom to move about the castles as they please.
we all knew Bronn wouldn't harm either Jamie or Tyrion. That "attempt" at intimidating them by shooting the arrow at the wall was so predictable.
05-06-2019, 05:15 PM
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Originally Posted By juvefan⏩
Yah I saw them. I lold and went no way then ep4 happened. :/I just read leaks of the next two episodes, im literally dying of laughter, we a comedy now
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05-06-2019, 05:17 PM
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Anyone banking on the loyalty of sellswords is asking for problems.
A merc is a merc.
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05-06-2019, 05:20 PM
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Originally Posted By Tanerian⏩
lol this. was talking about this as soon as it happened. Like he teleported across the map. Hes a mercenary not an Arya Faceless man.Everyone mad about how Bronn acting with Tyrion/Jaime.
I'm just here wondering how someone like Bronn can stroll into enemy territory during an active war with a giant ass loaded Crossbow and just stroll to wherever the Hand of the Queen is drinking.
I'm just here wondering how someone like Bronn can stroll into enemy territory during an active war with a giant ass loaded Crossbow and just stroll to wherever the Hand of the Queen is drinking.
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