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Originally Posted By CaliSuperSport⏩
I have several friends that are officers. I asked one (one recently killed a black guy that shot at police 6 times before they could fire back...the cops won lol) how often when you pull over a black, Latino, etc. do they accuse you of doing some because of their race? “every single time”...lolThe Mesa, Arizona shooting? That's exactly what I was talking about. And yes that was complete bullchit that the cop was acquitted.
If a citizen had been in his shoes, his life would be over. Those are the types of cases I have problems with, not literally every fukin traffic stop on a minority.
If a citizen had been in his shoes, his life would be over. Those are the types of cases I have problems with, not literally every fukin traffic stop on a minority.
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05-31-2019, 04:31 AM
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Originally Posted By wincel⏩
Yeah I know complaints regarding procedure probably fall on deaf ears too. But in THAT moment, do the smart thing and don't risk your life for the sake of "ah maaannnnn.... what I do tho?"This vid could have gone south so fast dude. I don't see why there can't be something to hold cops accountable if their orders are contradictory and may result in a wrongful death. It's a kind of attempted murder and should be treated that way.
That Mesa situation is an example of the only time I'd lay spread eagle and say "fuk that, you come over here and cuff me" because the Simon Says bullchit with AR-15's doesn't help. But refusing to simply shut off your car is stupid, simple as.
Originally Posted By bobbydigitaloa⏩
It's the cancerous victim mentality. I was raised by a family of law enforcement so I know how to act right.I have several friends that are officers. I asked one (one recently killed a black guy that shot at police 6 times before they could fire back...the cops won lol) how often when you pull over a black, Latino, etc. do they accuse you of doing some because of their race? “every single time”...lol
I've even suspected a cop pulled me over because of my race ( it's actually REQUIRED when looking for suspects), but never said a word and was committed to proving I haven't done anything. Makes everyone's life easier.
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05-31-2019, 04:32 AM
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Originally Posted By bobbydigitaloa⏩
OFC it happens. It's an easy cover for criminals. That doesn't mean that there are no racist cops though.I have several friends that are officers. I asked one (one recently killed a black guy that shot at police 6 times before they could fire back...the cops won lol) how often when you pull over a black, Latino, etc. do they accuse you of doing some because of their race? “every single time”...lol
05-31-2019, 04:34 AM
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Originally Posted By CaliSuperSport⏩
My point is you can't win. If you don't comply, they arrest you for failing to obey the order. If you do, they kill you. You lose.Yeah I know complaints regarding procedure probably fall on deaf ears too. But in THAT moment, do the smart thing and don't risk your life for the sake of "ah maaannnnn.... what I do tho?"
That Mesa situation is an example of the only time I'd lay spread eagle and say "fuk that, you come over here and cuff me" because the Simon Says bullchit with AR-15's doesn't help. But refusing to simply shut off your car is stupid, simple as.
That Mesa situation is an example of the only time I'd lay spread eagle and say "fuk that, you come over here and cuff me" because the Simon Says bullchit with AR-15's doesn't help. But refusing to simply shut off your car is stupid, simple as.
Honestly in situations like this, if someone shoots back at the cop, I can understand it. Imagine you know some dude is going to straight up bait you into being murdered. Fuk that. It's like the video the other day of the student picking up trash being threatened and held at gunpoint by a cop. If there were any justice in the world, these actions would be seen as attempted murder.
05-31-2019, 04:38 AM
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Tackle the root of the problem, not the surface.
The root of the issue is that blacks participate in about 50% of violent crimes in America. That's 14% of the population creating half the amount of violent crime. I have no problem with cops being vary and edgy when it comes to pulling over a black individual. We are humans. We find patterns and put people in categories in order to survive.
These cops are patrolling hoodlum areas always on the watch out with their lives on the line. If you walked in Chicago or Detroit and you see a black dude whats your 1st thought process going to be? I think people are being dishonest if they say anything other than '' thug.'' Dont blame the cop for being edgy.
You havent been in their shoes to see how they've been treated or why they do what they do. You only see 1 clip and make a conclusion from it.
The root of the issue is that blacks participate in about 50% of violent crimes in America. That's 14% of the population creating half the amount of violent crime. I have no problem with cops being vary and edgy when it comes to pulling over a black individual. We are humans. We find patterns and put people in categories in order to survive.
These cops are patrolling hoodlum areas always on the watch out with their lives on the line. If you walked in Chicago or Detroit and you see a black dude whats your 1st thought process going to be? I think people are being dishonest if they say anything other than '' thug.'' Dont blame the cop for being edgy.
You havent been in their shoes to see how they've been treated or why they do what they do. You only see 1 clip and make a conclusion from it.
05-31-2019, 04:41 AM
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Originally Posted By wincel⏩
I find this comment to be bizarre. There are racists in every category. I dont think anyone is saying every cop is a clean sheet mother Teresa. The issue is when you have a current trend where EVERY cop is seen as racist; giving criminals the pass and ability to pull the victim card.OFC it happens. It's an easy cover for criminals. That doesn't mean that there are no racist cops though.
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Originally Posted By CaliSuperSport⏩
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKqrkHVV0rgThat's like what wincel was saying. I have never seen video of a cop ordering an action, and then shooting someone for that explicit action. I'm open to seeing an example if you have one.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eqBAOX6Qegk
then of course the infamous game ofTwisterthat dude in the hotel hallway had to play with cops;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VBUUx0jUKxc
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Originally Posted By wincel⏩
I don't believe that. If you act properly you leave with your ticket/warning and you move on. My dozen or so encounters with police have all gone that way.My point is you can't win. If you don't comply, they arrest you for failing to obey the order. If you do, they kill you. You lose.
Honestly in situations like this, if someone shoots back at the cop, I can understand it. Imagine you know some dude is going to straight up bait you into being murdered. Fuk that. It's like the video the other day of the student picking up trash being threatened and held at gunpoint by a cop. If there were any justice in the world, these actions would be seen as attempted murder.
Honestly in situations like this, if someone shoots back at the cop, I can understand it. Imagine you know some dude is going to straight up bait you into being murdered. Fuk that. It's like the video the other day of the student picking up trash being threatened and held at gunpoint by a cop. If there were any justice in the world, these actions would be seen as attempted murder.
You're talking about psychopathic extreme 0.001% cases, because the times when the suspect fights back or fails to comply don't count....that's not acting properly.
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05-31-2019, 04:42 AM
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Originally Posted By wincel⏩
Who aid there weren’t? It also doesn’t mean they are all racist with some fuked up agenda. Here’s a clue, behave.OFC it happens. It's an easy cover for criminals. That doesn't mean that there are no racist cops though.
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05-31-2019, 04:42 AM
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Originally Posted By Alpheta⏩
lol there it isTackle the root of the problem, not the surface.
The root of the issue is that blacks participate in about 50% of violent crimes in America. That's 14% of the population creating half the amount of violent crime. I have no problem with cops being vary and edgy when it comes to pulling over a black individual. We are humans. We find patterns and put people in categories in order to survive.
These cops are patrolling hoodlum areas always on the watch out with their lives on the line. If you walked in Chicago or Detroit and you see a black dude whats your 1st thought process going to be? I think people are being dishonest if they say anything other than '' thug.'' So to blame the cop for being edgy.
You havent been in their shoes to see how they've been treated or why they do what they do. You only see 1 clip and make a conclusion from it.
The root of the issue is that blacks participate in about 50% of violent crimes in America. That's 14% of the population creating half the amount of violent crime. I have no problem with cops being vary and edgy when it comes to pulling over a black individual. We are humans. We find patterns and put people in categories in order to survive.
These cops are patrolling hoodlum areas always on the watch out with their lives on the line. If you walked in Chicago or Detroit and you see a black dude whats your 1st thought process going to be? I think people are being dishonest if they say anything other than '' thug.'' So to blame the cop for being edgy.
You havent been in their shoes to see how they've been treated or why they do what they do. You only see 1 clip and make a conclusion from it.
50% of the convictions for violent crimes...I'll let you think about why that might be relevant to state accurately. Also, most thugs still don't deserve to be shot. Unless you're one of those people who supports a reactionary police state...
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It is known that this isn’t the entire video and that there is an AR15 on the back seat. The officer and the man both acknowledged this to be true and that the officer did see the AR15.
With that said, the officer was not in immediate danger and reacting like that still puts the mans life at risk with other trigger happy cops around. But as usual, people react to the bits they see without knowing/viewing the entire situation from 100% start to finish, usually with many unknown extra variables.
But as i stated there is an AR15 on the seat behind the driver. I don’t have to much of an opinion on the matter Besides making the facts known and saying I can see both sides
Make of that which you will
With that said, the officer was not in immediate danger and reacting like that still puts the mans life at risk with other trigger happy cops around. But as usual, people react to the bits they see without knowing/viewing the entire situation from 100% start to finish, usually with many unknown extra variables.
But as i stated there is an AR15 on the seat behind the driver. I don’t have to much of an opinion on the matter Besides making the facts known and saying I can see both sides
Make of that which you will
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05-31-2019, 04:43 AM
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Originally Posted By bobbydigitaloa⏩
Here's a crazy thought. Why not just make a fuking law holding these people accountable so if they do abuse their power, they can't get away with murder. HowboudahWho aid there weren’t? It also doesn’t mean they are all racist with some fuked up agenda. Here’s a clue, behave.
05-31-2019, 04:44 AM
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Originally Posted By JustMoved24⏩
Right, but the way the officer said that definitely put this kid's life at risk. He was lucky he wasn't killed.It is known that this isn’t the entire video and that there is an AR15 on the back seat. The officer and the man both acknowledged this to be true and then officer did see the AR15.
With that said the officer was not in immediate danger and reacting like that still puts the mans life at risk with other trigger happy cops around.
But as i stated there is an AR15 on the seat behind the driver.
With that said the officer was not in immediate danger and reacting like that still puts the mans life at risk with other trigger happy cops around.
But as i stated there is an AR15 on the seat behind the driver.
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Originally Posted By wincel⏩
Those exist...you just don’t approve of the department or city’s findings so it doesn’t fit your narrative. Are most cops good? This is a rhetorical question.Here's a crazy thought. Why not just make a fuking law holding these people accountable so if they do abuse their power, they can't get away with murder. Howboudah
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05-31-2019, 04:46 AM
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Originally Posted By CaliSuperSport⏩
Psychopaths make up 1-2% of the population and are more likely to be found in police jobs than normal. Not so extreme. It can happen to you or anyone. Civil rights fuking matter. Liberty matters. Balance of power matters.I don't believe that. If you act properly you leave with your ticket/warning and you move on. My dozen or so encounters with police have all gone that way.
You're talking about psychopathic extreme 0.001% cases, because the times when the suspect fights back or fails to comply don't count....that's not acting properly.
You're talking about psychopathic extreme 0.001% cases, because the times when the suspect fights back or fails to comply don't count....that's not acting properly.
05-31-2019, 04:46 AM
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Originally Posted By wincel⏩
Who said they deserve to be shot? did the dude in this particular case get shot? You are assuming that he would have because of the current trend of 'CoPs RaCist''lol there it is
50% of the convictions for violent crimes...I'll let you think about why that might be relevant to state accurately. Also, most thugs still don't deserve to be shot. Unless you're one of those people who supports a reactionary police state...
50% of the convictions for violent crimes...I'll let you think about why that might be relevant to state accurately. Also, most thugs still don't deserve to be shot. Unless you're one of those people who supports a reactionary police state...
The point is, the reaction of the opper cant be boiled down to racism. There are REASONS for reaction albeit it may extreme. You are making it out as though white coppers cant stand the skin color of blacks so go in to a rage when they come across one. Thats not true.
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Originally Posted By Maestro⏩
Mentioned the 3rd and actually seen the first before. Yeah stupid fukin cop....https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKqrkHVV0rg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eqBAOX6Qegk
then of course the infamous game ofTwisterthat dude in the hotel hallway had to play with cops;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OflGwyWcft8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eqBAOX6Qegk
then of course the infamous game ofTwisterthat dude in the hotel hallway had to play with cops;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OflGwyWcft8
But you guys want me or other minorities to start fearing for their lives everytime they see sirens. Like I said it's such an extreme case I don't think about it. I have a better chance of being killed in a vehicle collision.
Originally Posted By wincel⏩
Yeah but what are you suggesting then, refuse to obey commands and make the cop suspicious?Psychopaths make up 1-2% of the population and are more likely to be found in police jobs than normal. Not so extreme. It can happen to you or anyone. Civil rights fuking matter. Liberty matters. Balance of power matters.
Nah...think I'll proceed as usual and not get shot.
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05-31-2019, 04:48 AM
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Originally Posted By bobbydigitaloa⏩
These do not exist. As we saw from the case before with the guy who got killed, the law protects these police in these situations.Those exist...you just don’t approve of the department or city’s findings so it doesn’t fit your narrative. Are most cops good? This is a rhetorical question.
I'd imagine most cops are neutral. Not good and not bad. The vast majority just want to get the job done, but could end up pushed into doing something bad or letting power get to them. Some are psychopaths. They bring crime, they're rapists...And some, I assume, are good people.
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Originally Posted By Alpheta⏩
So I should be punished because of the behavior of people I don't even know? Noone in my family or extended family has a criminal record.Tackle the root of the problem, not the surface.
The root of the issue is that blacks participate in about 50% of violent crimes in America. That's 14% of the population creating half the amount of violent crime. I have no problem with cops being vary and edgy when it comes to pulling over a black individual. We are humans. We find patterns and put people in categories in order to survive.
These cops are patrolling hoodlum areas always on the watch out with their lives on the line. If you walked in Chicago or Detroit and you see a black dude whats your 1st thought process going to be? I think people are being dishonest if they say anything other than '' thug.'' Dont blame the cop for being edgy.
You havent been in their shoes to see how they've been treated or why they do what they do. You only see 1 clip and make a conclusion from it.
The root of the issue is that blacks participate in about 50% of violent crimes in America. That's 14% of the population creating half the amount of violent crime. I have no problem with cops being vary and edgy when it comes to pulling over a black individual. We are humans. We find patterns and put people in categories in order to survive.
These cops are patrolling hoodlum areas always on the watch out with their lives on the line. If you walked in Chicago or Detroit and you see a black dude whats your 1st thought process going to be? I think people are being dishonest if they say anything other than '' thug.'' Dont blame the cop for being edgy.
You havent been in their shoes to see how they've been treated or why they do what they do. You only see 1 clip and make a conclusion from it.
and you wonder why people say there's "white privilage"
05-31-2019, 04:50 AM
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Originally Posted By CaliSuperSport⏩
What I am suggesting is laws holding contradictory orders as actions taken to attempt murder. A lawful order should be taken very seriously by both the cop and the suspect. It should never be contradictory.Mentioned the 3rd and actually seen the first before. Yeah stupid fukin cop....
But you guys want me or other minorities to start fearing for their lives everytime they see sirens. Like I said it's such an extreme case I don't think about it. I have a better chance of being killed in a vehicle collision.
Yeah but what are you suggesting then, refuse to obey commands and make the cop suspicious?
Nah...think I'll proceed as usual and not get shot.
But you guys want me or other minorities to start fearing for their lives everytime they see sirens. Like I said it's such an extreme case I don't think about it. I have a better chance of being killed in a vehicle collision.
Yeah but what are you suggesting then, refuse to obey commands and make the cop suspicious?
Nah...think I'll proceed as usual and not get shot.
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Originally Posted By wincel⏩
Most are good. Get over yourself.These do not exist. As we saw from the case before with the guy who got killed, the law protects these police in these situations.
I'd imagine most cops are neutral. Not good and not bad. The vast majority just want to get the job done, but could end up pushed into doing something bad or letting power get to them. Some are psychopaths. And some, I assume, are good people.
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I'd imagine most cops are neutral. Not good and not bad. The vast majority just want to get the job done, but could end up pushed into doing something bad or letting power get to them. Some are psychopaths. And some, I assume, are good people.
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Originally Posted By bobbydigitaloa⏩
and how they you reach that conclusion?Most are good. Get over yourself.
inb4 personal experience
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Originally Posted By SwimToTheMoon⏩
Because I’m not a crybaby looking for excuses about why my life sucks and who to blame for my bullish!t...and how they you reach that conclusion?
inb4 personal experience
inb4 personal experience
Now type a novel that I won’t reply to.
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05-31-2019, 04:55 AM
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05-31-2019, 04:55 AM
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Originally Posted By bobbydigitaloa⏩
You know most humans in general are not "good" right? They are neutral. Many people cheat on their SO, lie, steal, cheat at school, etc. Most will not rape or kill, but will they abuse their power a bit? Sure.Most are good. Get over yourself.
If you think most cops are good, you must be retarded. Most x of any grouping of people by profession generally won't be good. Good people are too rare for that to happen. Most will be neutral -- basically somewhat selfish but not sadistic.
BTW these rules don't exist for the sake of most cops. I'm talking about the bad apples. Those are the people society needs protection from.
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Originally Posted By Maestro⏩
It sucks but thats the reality. We are humans and we categorise. We discriminate. Thats innate. If a man with a beard is stopped in the airport and given a through check, then im good with that. We arent going to let people slide purely because ''feels.'' A certain category of people are comitting a crime more than others so in order to stay safe you must scrutinise them more than the others because the chances are higher that the criminal will be in that category.So I should be punished because of the behavior of people I don't even know? Noone in my family or extended family has a criminal record.
and you wonder why people say there's "white privilage"
and you wonder why people say there's "white privilage"
I guess theres ''indian privelege'' as well given they hardly get bothered?
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Originally Posted By wincel⏩
Sure. Better training as well.What I am suggesting is laws holding contradictory orders as actions taken to attempt murder. A lawful order should be taken very seriously by both the cop and the suspect. It should never be contradictory.
Just don't misplace your anger in these scenarios where the suspect is clearly fuking up the most basic of commands.
Originally Posted By Maestro⏩
It's simple really...just don't make the same presumptions that you're accusing the cop of making.I wish I could have that mentality.
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Originally Posted By bobbydigitaloa⏩
I'm not even American or ever had any bad experiences with any cops, where the fuk was I a crybaby blaming anyone? How is that even relevant to what we're talking about? Is it too far fetched to assume a job in the police force attracts more fuked up individuals looking for power? I'm not saying I have the answer to how many cops are bad but lmao at you typing chit like it's a fact when you don't know jackchit.Because I’m not a crybabylooking for excuses about why my life sucks and who to blame for my bullish!t...
Now type a novel that I won’t reply to.
Now type a novel that I won’t reply to.
I'm seriously trying to figure out how the bolded part is relevant to the topic.
and don't reply, don't really care, as long as I let you know that you're an idiot it's cool
05-31-2019, 05:00 AM
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Originally Posted By Alpheta⏩
The Indian privilege for Sikhs is to be murdered by idiot hicks from the 1488 kkkrew who confuse them with muslims.It sucks but thats the reality. We are humans and we categorise. We discriminate. Thats innate. If a man with a beard is stopped in the airport and given a through check, then im good with that. We arent going to let people slide purely because ''feels.'' A certain category of people are comitting a crime more than others so in order to stay safe you must scrutinise them more than the others because the chances are higher that the criminal will be in that category.
I guess theres ''indian privelege'' as well given they hardly get bothered?
I guess theres ''indian privelege'' as well given they hardly get bothered?
P of A given B is not P of B given A. Also you say commit more crimes, but you mean are convicted of more crimes. Since blacks face more aggressive policing, enforcement, and sentencing, this value is inflated against them. And again, even if more people who are convicted of violent crimes are black, this does not mean blacks are likely to be violent criminals. For the stereotyping to be valid, you'd like it to be true more often than not, at the very least. The likelihood of a black person being a criminal is still very low, and the majority are not. Let that sink in.
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