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Originally Posted By wincel
If you're a black man, it is safer for you to record your live stream and not immediately comply than to attempt to comply and potentially be wrongfully arrested or killed.
I'm going to say something controversial: I lived in California for 15 years from the 90s to the 00s. Without fail, the people who disobeyed the cops the most came from the lower class black community. Then they'd go around saying "police brutality" and "I dindu nuffin", but we know better because we came from the same hood. Every time some black kid was acting a fool and got shot by a cop, they'd pin the blame on the cops. I never had any problems with officers, because I followed orders. This entire incident shows how restless cops have become ever since the Trayvon Martin and Michael Brown cases. You'd have protesters screaming that they'll start killing more cops, etc and the media always plays all these racebait-y games and tries to incite violence.

Funny thing is that all the law abiding African-American citizens rarely experienced things that the typical "urban yoof" claimed about cops. But on tv, they'd make it look like ALL black people experience police brutality. Pure bs. Sure, nowadays cops have more itchy trigger happy fingers, but it all began somewhere.
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Originally Posted By wincel
U realize there are cops out there that plant chit on people and frame them to make a collar right? The fact is this cop went from "license and registration" to gun pointed at man's face yelling "gun!" in about 30 s. That, bro, is insane. Period.
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Originally Posted By bobbydigitaloa
Lol what is this tinfoil hat sh!t...
You never heard of cops planting drugs? A lot of cops have performance metrics based on number of arrests that lead to convictions. This, along with the privatization of prisons has led to an economic system that incentivizes abuse and foul play.
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Originally Posted By wincel
You never heard of cops planting drugs? A lot of cops have performance metrics based on number of arrests that lead to convictions. This, along with the privatization of prisons has led to an economic system that incentivizes abuse and foul play.
Oh I’ve heard to ha happened but if you think they go around doing that to reach performance matrix or something then you’re slow.

I have friends that are cops and the cock suckers they arrest claim this all the time...never the case, not once.
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Originally Posted By SuperGuitarDude
I'm going to say something controversial: I lived in California for 15 years from the 90s to the 00s. Without fail, the people who disobeyed the cops the most came from the lower class black community. Then they'd go around saying "police brutality" and "I dindu nuffin", but we know better because we came from the same hood. Every time some black kid was acting a fool and got shot by a cop, they'd pin the blame on the cops. I never had any problems with officers, because I followed orders. This entire incident shows how restless cops have become ever since the Trayvon Martin and Michael Brown cases. You'd have protesters screaming that they'll start killing more cops, etc and the media always plays all these racebait-y games and tries to incite violence.

Funny thing is that all the law abiding African-American citizens rarely experienced things that the typical "urban yoof" claimed about cops. But on tv they'd make it look like ALL black people experience police brutality. Pure bs. Sure, nowadays cops have more itchy trigger happy fingers, but it started somewhere.
I have a little calculation I did to address that. The argument that there is something inherently wrong with black people in general and that they deserve the extra scrutiny is not warranted. See below.
I'll show you an example of what I mean. Violent crime rate per capita is about 383 per 100,000. Let's assume all these were individuals, which is a gross overestimate. We get a violent crime rate of about 0.4%. Let's assume 50% of violent criminals are blacks. And blacks are 14% of the population. Then the likelihood of being a violent criminal given that you are black would be .5 times .004 divided by .14. This would leave you with about 1.4% likelihood of being a criminal given that you are black. For stereotyping to be morally valid, you would want this probability to be at least 50%. For it to be logically valid, it depends on your tolerance for crime. For example, you could just kill everyone and then there would be zero crime. This is dumb. Generally, you wouldn't want to stereotype and discriminate for anything below say a 5% likelihood because now you are screwing over 19 people to prevent the 1 from doing something bad. From a utilitarian perspective this is terrible. Our legal system is founded on the idea that it is better for a guilty guy to go free than an innocent to suffer injustice. This means 50% should be the cutoff. This is why discrimination is seen as wrong.
You're absolutely right that criminals use racism as a shield. However, it is also the case that a lot of cops more aggressively police blacks, hispanics, and "poor looking" whites unfairly. It all comes from a misapplication of statistics and a failure to apply Bayes' Theorem.

So many minorities get arrested for trivial chit or foor not obeying the police. It's garbage. This is supposed to be a free country. Loitering shouldn't even be a law. It seems to exist mainly as a way to penalize homeless people.

I have loitered before when I had time to kill before a movie. I just loitered with a book. Why should that be a crime? Not hurting anyone.
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I haven't read any other posts except the OP. But, I'll just drop this in here...........












Despite this massive over representation in crime stats..............













Despite commuting a fraction of the crime, white people get killed almost double as often than any other race.






OP why da fake news?
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Originally Posted By bobbydigitaloa
Oh I’ve heard to ha happened but if you think they go around doing that to reach performance matrix or something then you’re slow.

I have friends that are cops and the cock suckers they arrest claim this all the time...never the case, not once.
It happens more than u would like to believe bro. Remember that 1-2% of population are psychopathic. And note that in the police force, there are actually a higher number of psychopaths due to authority and ability to cope with stress. That means you can probably expect there are at least a few bad apples in most precincts. These are people who likely cheat the system. The checks on police power must be there to protect from these people.
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Originally Posted By Jimmehhh
I haven't read any other posts except the OP. But, I'll just drop this in here...........












Despite this massive over representation in crime stats..............













Despite commuting a fraction of the crime, white people get killed almost double as often than any other race.






OP why da fake news?
Jimmeh plz read my quote about why it is wrong to stereotype blacks as somehow likely to be criminal.
I'll show you an example of what I mean. Violent crime rate per capita is about 383 per 100,000. Let's assume all these were individuals, which is a gross overestimate. We get a violent crime rate of about 0.4%. Let's assume 50% of violent criminals are blacks. And blacks are 14% of the population. Then the likelihood of being a violent criminal given that you are black would be .5 times .004 divided by .14. This would leave you with about 1.4% likelihood of being a criminal given that you are black. For stereotyping to be morally valid, you would want this probability to be at least 50%. For it to be logically valid, it depends on your tolerance for crime. For example, you could just kill everyone and then there would be zero crime. This is dumb. Generally, you wouldn't want to stereotype and discriminate for anything below say a 5% likelihood because now you are screwing over 19 people to prevent the 1 from doing something bad. From a utilitarian perspective this is terrible. Our legal system is founded on the idea that it is better for a guilty guy to go free than an innocent to suffer injustice. This means 50% should be the cutoff. This is why discrimination is seen as wrong.
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Originally Posted By wincel
It happens more than u would like to believe bro. Remember that 1-2% of population are psychopathic. And note that in the police force, there are actually a higher number of psychopaths due to authority and ability to cope with stress. That means you can probably expect there are at least a few bad apples in most precincts. These are people who likely cheat the system. The checks on police power must be there to protect from these people.
Get those links to the stats for how often it happens up...you’re good at going to imright.com and posting it. It is this one of those “I know it happens”. I tend to believe sh!t I can see...

And don’t tell me to “remember” a stat you made up.
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Originally Posted By SuperGuitarDude
I'm going to say something controversial: I lived in California for 15 years from the 90s to the 00s. Without fail, the people who disobeyed the cops the most came from the lower class black community. Then they'd go around saying "police brutality" and "I dindu nuffin", but we know better because we came from the same hood. Every time some black kid was acting a fool and got shot by a cop, they'd pin the blame on the cops. I never had any problems with officers, because I followed orders. This entire incident shows how restless cops have become ever since the Trayvon Martin and Michael Brown cases. You'd have protesters screaming that they'll start killing more cops, etc and the media always plays all these racebait-y games and tries to incite violence.

Funny thing is that all the law abiding African-American citizens rarely experienced things that the typical "urban yoof" claimed about cops. But on tv, they'd make it look like ALL black people experience police brutality. Pure bs. Sure, nowadays cops have more itchy trigger happy fingers, but it all began somewhere.
You are going the wrong direction with this. Personally I always comply with orders immediately as well. If I am being arrested...cool...we can discuss “what I did wrong” after you’ve secured the scene.

That being said please do not act like every white person acts just like we do with the cops. I can literally pull up 1,000 videos in the blink of an eye with white people being defiant with the police. Some even walk around with guns being defiant and trying to prove a point, then get chippy when they are stopped by the cops by openly carrying a weapon. Look it up. Its in the defiance where you can see the difference in race. A white person can be defiant and survive in a lot of situations where a black person could have done the same thing and gotten killed. There are no if’s and’s or but’s about it.

Now, while I preach instant compliance with all orders by a police officer, this guy chose NOT to immediately comply. I think that’s a horrible decision, but many people choose this route. However, once the officer pulls his gun...the kid can no longer comply with the order. If he reaches inside the car where his hand can’t be seen...he’s dead or has a damn good chance of getting killed. So after his horrible decision not to comply led to the police officer drawing a weapon, he’s now stuck in a place where complying with the officer has become another bad decision piled onto the first bad decision that got him into this mess.
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Originally Posted By wincel
I have a little calculation I did to address that. The argument that there is something inherently wrong with black people in general and that they deserve the extra scrutiny is not warranted. See below.



You're absolutely right that criminals use racism as a shield. However, it is also the case that a lot of cops more aggressively police blacks, hispanics, and "poor looking" whites unfairly. It all comes from a misapplication of statistics and a failure to apply Bayes' Theorem.

So many minorities get arrested for trivial chit or foor not obeying the police. It's garbage. This is supposed to be a free country. Loitering shouldn't even be a law. It seems to exist mainly as a way to penalize homeless people.

I have loitered before when I had time to kill before a movie. I just loitered with a book. Why should that be a crime? Not hurting anyone.
Yes and I'm arguing that they don't target them just because they are black, but because so many of the ones who get stopped by cops play stupid games. That's why I specifically mentioned the "lower class black community." I grew up in places where you knew not to walk down certain streets or you'd get mugged, so I'm speaking from my own experience. No sane person that I know despises someone just because of their skin color, lol. It's interesting that you think the answer is so black and white.
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American population : 372,000,000

Fatal police shootings in 2018: 992

Thats 0.0000266 % of the population being effected by ''police brutality'' LOL. Bare in mind out of the 992 many may have been justified so that percentage is ALOT lower.

ALSO

From that 992 figure 452 were white and 229 were black.

Now tell me why you are making such a big deal out of something that kills less than peanut allergies?

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Originally Posted By bobbydigitaloa
Get those links to the stats for how often it happens up...you’re good at going to imright.com and posting it. It is this one of those “I know it happens”. I tend to believe sh!t I can see...

And don’t tell me to “remember” a stat you made up.
Nah there are studies. I will find a link.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...92656618302150

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4649950/

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full...eedAccess=true

It's hard to find the exact studies, but I have found articles referencing studies finding that CEOs, politicians, police officers, military, surgeons and chefs are often more likely to exhibit psychopathic traits. It may be that these high stress jobs are best suited to people with these traits. Either way, even if it weren't the case, and you only had 1% of the people being that way, that's still going to make enough trouble that it would be important to have checks on police power. 1% is enough to cause a lot of chaos and innocent people going to jail or being exploited.
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Originally Posted By Alpheta
American population : 372,000,000

Fatal police shootings in 2018: 992

Thats 0.0000266 % of the population being effected by ''police brutality'' LOL. Bare in mind out of the 992 many may have been justified so that percentage is ALOT lower.

ALSO

From that 992 figure 452 were white and 229 were black.

Now tell me why you are making such a big deal out of something that kills less than peanut allergies?

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Just a reminder as to how pathetic this BLM crusade is.
As I said before, brutality isn't just in killing. It's in oppression and incarceration. It's in the erosion of freedom. This isn't a BLM post. This is an anti police state post. We need laws that force officers to only make careful lawful orders.
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Originally Posted By SuperGuitarDude
Yes and I'm arguing that they don't target them just because they are black, but because so many of the ones who get stopped by cops play stupid games. That's why I specifically mentioned the "lower class black community." I grew up in places where you knew not to walk down certain streets or you'd get mugged, so I'm speaking from my own experience. No sane person that I know despises someone just because of their skin color, lol. It's interesting that you think the answer is so black and white.
I know several people that think less of someone based on skin color, religion, or nationality. We see it here all the time on misc too.
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Originally Posted By wincel
I'll show you an example of what I mean. Violent crime rate per capita is about 383 per 100,000. Let's assume all these were individuals, which is a gross overestimate. We get a violent crime rate of about 0.4%. Let's assume 50% of violent criminals are blacks. And blacks are 14% of the population. Then the likelihood of being a violent criminal given that you are black would be .5 times .004 divided by .14. This would leave you with about 1.4% likelihood of being a criminal given that you are black. For stereotyping to be morally valid, you would want this probability to be at least 50%. For it to be logically valid, it depends on your tolerance for crime. For example, you could just kill everyone and then there would be zero crime. This is dumb. Generally, you wouldn't want to stereotype and discriminate for anything below say a 5% likelihood because now you are screwing over 19 people to prevent the 1 from doing something bad. From a utilitarian perspective this is terrible. Our legal system is founded on the idea that it is better for a guilty guy to go free than an innocent to suffer injustice. This means 50% should be the cutoff. This is why discrimination is seen as wrong.
When a minority of your population is committing the majority of the crime - it's a problem.

If I were to tell you that any individual wearing a red sweater was 11x more likely to commit murder, 10x more likely to rob you and 4x more likely to assault you- you'd treat that individual in the red sweater differently at least on a subconscious level whether you wanted to or not.

Yet this logic doesn't apply when race is involved. Your genes dgaf if you're politically correct or not, your genes just want to keep you alive.
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Originally Posted By wincel
As I said before, brutality isn't just in killing. It's in oppression and incarceration. It's in the erosion of freedom.
Dude the OP is addressing POLICE BRUTALITY. You assumed that the kid would have been shot had he not shown his hands. On what basis? Its clearly not based on stats. Dont feed in to media hysteria bruh.
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Originally Posted By Jimmehhh
When a minority of your population is committing the majority of the crime - it's a problem.

If I were to tell you that any individual wearing a red sweater was 11x more likely to commit murder, 10x more likely to rob you and 4x more likely to assault you- you'd treat that individual in the red sweater differently at least on a subconscious level whether you wanted to or not.

Yet this logic doesn't apply when race is involved. Your genes dgaf if you're politically correct or not, your genes just want to keep you alive.
There may be direct factors contributing to that. It is a problem, but the solution held by white nationalists is some type of ethnic purge. I hope my calculation shows you that this purge is entirely unfair. It punishes like 98.6% innocent people to snag the 1.4% guilty. Do you see what I mean now? You saw the calculation. P of A given B is not P of B given A.
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Originally Posted By wincel
I know several people that think less of someone based on skin color, religion, or nationality. We see it here all the time on misc too.
Thats with EVERY race/tribe.

You have asians who look down on non asians. Arabs who look down on non Arabs. Jews who look down on non Jews.

I am a minority and I can testify to this.
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Originally Posted By Alpheta
Dude the OP is addressing POLICE BRUTALITY. You assumed that the kid would have been shot had he not shown his hands. On what basis? Its clearly not based on stats. Dont feed in to media hysteria bruh.
I believe he could have been shot. Cop drew gun for no reason and escalated the situation. Then he ordered the suspect to move his hands to turn off the car. He definitely could have killed him and argued he thought he went for a gun. He even yelled "He has a gun!" to cover his ass.
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Originally Posted By wesleysh21
You are going the wrong direction with this. Personally I always comply with orders immediately as well. If I am being arrested...cool...we can discuss “what I did wrong” after you’ve secured the scene.

That being said please do not act like every white person acts just like we do with the cops. I can literally pull up 1,000 videos in the blink of an eye with white people being defiant with the police. Some even walk around with guns being defiant and trying to prove a point, then get chippy when they are stopped by the cops by openly carrying a weapon. Look it up. Its in the defiance where you can see the difference in race. A white person can be defiant and survive in a lot of situations where a black person could have done the same thing and gotten killed. There are no if’s and’s or but’s about it.

Now, while I preach instant compliance with all orders by a police officer, this guy chose NOT to immediately comply. I think that’s a horrible decision, but many people choose this route. However, once the officer pulls his gun...the kid can no longer comply with the order. If he reaches inside the car where his hand can’t be seen...he’s dead or has a damn good chance of getting killed. So after his horrible decision not to comply led to the police officer drawing a weapon, he’s now stuck in a place where complying with the officer has become another bad decision piled onto the first bad decision that got him into this mess.
What would a video prove when I could just as easily bring one up in reverse? All I can speak about is my own experiences living around people who claimed "police brutality" when most of the time it was their own fault. The trailer trash white folks weren't much better, but I didn't interact with them as much. I'm sure the ones who were defiant with cops didn't enjoy whatever came to them either. I'm living in eastern Europe and the cops here are even wilder than the ones in America. Failure to comply here can have severe consequences no matter your race and they can pull you over for the most trivial of things and expect to be bribed, etc. I ain't messing with cops, so I follow orders, which as you pointed out, the guy in OPs vid failed to do.
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Originally Posted By Alpheta
Thats with EVERY race/tribe.

You have asians who look down on non asians. Arabs who look down on non Arabs. Jews who look down on non Jews.

I am a minority and I can testify to this.
That's fine and dandy, but if these people have unrestricted power, that can lead to some awful situations. Best to check power. Always. Freedom must be protected.
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Originally Posted By wincel
I believe he could have been shot. Cop drew gun for no reason and escalated the situation. Then he ordered the suspect to move his hands to turn off the car. He definitely could have killed him and argued he thought he went for a gun. He even yelled "He has a gun!" to cover his ass.
Assumption.

Your conclusions are derived from what exactly?

You can only assume this IF police shooting are rife in the country. They arent. So where are you getting these ideas from?
post 1581200481 05-31-2019, 03:42 PM
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Originally Posted By Alpheta
Assumption.

Your conclusions are derived from what exactly?

You can only assume this IF police shooting are rife in the country. They arent. So where are you getting these ideas from?
Based on fact. He could have. I said could not would. The option was on the table, and he was escalating. An officer's responsibility is peace keeping, not escalation and warfare.
post 1581200921 05-31-2019, 03:49 PM
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Originally Posted By wincel
Based on fact. He could have. I said could not would. The option was on the table, and he was escalating. An officer's responsibility is peace keeping, not escalation and warfare.
post 1581201211 05-31-2019, 03:55 PM
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Originally Posted By wincel
There may be direct factors contributing to that. It is a problem, but the solution held by white nationalists is some type of ethnic purge. I hope my calculation shows you that this purge is entirely unfair. It punishes like 98.6% innocent people to snag the 1.4% guilty. Do you see what I mean now? You saw the calculation. P of A given B is not P of B given A.
The police don't assume 100% of black people are criminals committing crime all the time.

In the OP you talk about the black guy being afraid of being shot as reasoning for not complying to orders, but as has been proven with stats - white folk are far more likely to be killed by police.

The black dudes lack of compliance, I would argue, is due to indoctrination down to MSM misinformation. The only reason I know 2X as many white folk are killed by police is because I went out of my way to find out if the stats backed up what I hear in the MSM. It does not.
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post 1581201481 05-31-2019, 04:01 PM
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Originally Posted By Jimmehhh
OP why da fake news?
Because feelz.
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Originally Posted By Jimmehhh
The police don't assume 100% of black people are criminals committing crime all the time.

In the OP you talk about the black guy being afraid of being shot as reasoning for not complying to orders, but as has been proven with stats -white folk are far more likely to be killed by police.

The black dudes lack of compliance, I would argue, is due to indoctrination down to MSM misinformation. The only reason I know 2X as many white folk are killed by police is because I went out of my way to find out if the stats backed up what I hear in the MSM. It does not.
You forgot to correct for population.
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