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Thread: If a girl is 100% against abortion, and the guy is 100% for aborting,

post 1582803351 06-26-2019, 01:15 PM
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Originally Posted By outfoxxed⏩
next thing you know, you'll tell us that blowing your load in a girl during her period isn't effective birth control
I mean if you are willing to put your penor in that bloody mess then you've already made some life decisions that I never would..
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Originally Posted By KirkMcquest⏩
Well when people cant see why something like this is wrong it usually helps to reverse the situation and put them in the other persons shoes; Suppose the man had total, unilateral control on whether or not you had an abortion. If he chose to have the baby, you would be forced, for the rest of your life, to take responsibility for it. If you wanted the baby and he chose to abort, you would have no power to stop him from taking that away from you. How does that make you feel, still not seeing the "wrong"?
Obviously there is a chance I would feel differently. That's not how it works, though. That's not how it will ever work unless they invent some way for men to get pregnant.
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Originally Posted By Omnivium⏩
I'm 100% against abortion, I think it's murdering children for convenience and all that, but let's just play devil's advocate

In a sick twisted world where abortion is an option, here's how it should go down:
-both parents should have a say whether their kid lives or dies
-if either parent wants the kid to live, then the kid lives
-if one parent chooses life and one chooses death, the one who chose life is fully responsible for the kid. They get 100% custody, and they can choose if they want to give it up for adoption or not
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Originally Posted By KirkMcquest⏩
Illogical example. In the appendectomy example it's just the man's body that is involved. In a pregnancy the man is legally tied to the choice of whether or not to abort AND there is a third life involved as well. Its not just about the women's life and should not just be her choice.
Abortion shouldn't be viewed as a form of birth control. If a man does not want to have a child there are many steps he can take before an abortion. If he's foolish enough to let it get to that point, then I'm sorry to say no, you can't tell a woman to get an abortion.

Have you thought about the the impact of society your scenario would bring? No, you haven't.
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Originally Posted By Frank
Abortion shouldn't be viewed as a form of birth control. If a man does not want to have a child there are many steps he can take before an abortion. If he's foolish enough to let it get to that point, then I'm sorry to say no, you can't tell a woman to get an abortion.

Have you thought about the the impact of society your scenario would bring? No, you haven't.
There would be a lot less fatherless children. A lot less women unable to attain their personal goals do to the responsibility of raising a child when they are not ready. A lot less unwanted children born in impoverished areas.

I could probably think of a lot more positives but feel free to share some negatives.
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Originally Posted By Bingu⏩
There would be a lot less fatherless children. A lot less women unable to attain their personal goals do to the responsibility of raising a child when they are not ready. A lot less unwanted children born in impoverished areas.

I could probably think of a lot more positives but feel free to share some negatives.
As I was typing that out the thought crossed my mind that the burden of single motherhood may encourage women to be more proactive with birth control, so you have a point.

Side question, lets say you give up parental rights at 22. Now, you're 35 and your 13 year old son wants to know his dad. And as a father yourself to your own children you've matured and wants to know your illegitimate child, but you were able to skip out on all financial responsibility for the first 13 years of his childs life. What then.
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Should have rubbered up then! Now he has to man up...or let another kid go fatherless and have a statistically high chance of turning into a degenerate.
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Originally Posted By Frank
As I was typing that out the thought crossed my mind that the burden of single motherhood may encourage women to be more proactive with birth control, so you have a point.

Side question, lets say you give up parental rights at 22. Now, you're 35 and your 13 year old son wants to know his dad. And as a father yourself to your own children you've matured and wants to know your illegitimate child, but you were able to skip out on all financial responsibility for the first 13 years of his childs life. What then.
This type of hypothetical is not really hypothetical. It happens all of the time. Just go talk to people.
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Originally Posted By TBO1313⏩
The people that run things doesn't want paternal involvement they just want fathers separated from their money. Women, on the whole, make better consumers than me do because they are more susceptible to societal pressure and feel more of a need to fit in and belong. But it isn't just men they're after they're also after women and do everything they can to belittle traditional female roles and try to push women into masculine pursuits. If people are never fulfilled they are always going to be searching for the one thing to make them feel complete and sadly, these days it tends to be commercial products. I agree with you but there is less than a 0% chance of any of that happening
As stated, I'm an idealist.

Agreed on your analysis of our current state.
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Originally Posted By DrewDarden⏩
No the willingness to abort the baby shouldn't absolve him of his choice to get her pregnant in the first place.

Sorry.
Such retarded logic
Originally Posted By Frank
Abortion shouldn't be viewed as a form of birth control. If a man does not want to have a child there are many steps he can take before an abortion. If he's foolish enough to let it get to that point, then I'm sorry to say no, you can't tell a woman to get an abortion.

Have you thought about the the impact of society your scenario would bring? No, you haven't.
But it’s cool that women get to make that choice?
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Originally Posted By MuzzieChik786⏩
As stated, I'm an idealist.

Agreed on your analysis of our current state.
I try my best to be an optimist as much as possible but I have a nasty habit of falling back into my old routine of complaining about why things can't be done. If being an idealist comes natural to you then I envy you greatly
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If a man forcefully aborts the child without the mother's consent by doing a stomach punch, or the classic stair push, it's a murder. If the mother aborts the child, it's a medical procedure. Strong double standards
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Originally Posted By DrewDarden⏩
No the willingness to abort the baby shouldn't absolve him of his choice to get her pregnant in the first place.

Sorry.
So no matter what he now has to pay child support amirite? Even if he has split custody 50/50 huh?
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Originally Posted By TBO1313⏩
I try my best to be an optimist as much as possible but I have a nasty habit of falling back into my old routine of complaining about why things can't be done. If being an idealist comes natural to you then I envy you greatly
The interesting thing is that we live in an era where minority rules. So if we had enough men demanding their right to object to an abortion (because it is their right), things would change. It's beginning, but not at a fast enough pace or in enough of a volume to prompt change.
Originally Posted By ContrarianIndi⏩
If a man forcefully aborts the child without the mother's consent by doing a stomach punch, or the classic stair push, it's a murder. If the mother aborts the child, it's a medical procedure. Strong double standards
Except for one thing. In your former scenario, both parties are still involved. In today's abortion scenario, one party's rights are trampled on because of aperception of authoritywhen it comes to the physical body.
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Originally Posted By Vhagar⏩
But it’s cool that women get to make that choice?
I'm not sure how to define my stance on abortion. I'm very much against it in most cases but I don't think it should be illegal - only discouraged I guess.
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Originally Posted By Frank
I'm not sure how to define my stance on abortion. I'm very much against it in most cases but I don't think it should be illegal - only discouraged I guess.
Agreed, abortion should not be illegal. Because horrible people roam this earth and rape and incest occurs. Also, health conditions. In those scenarios, abortion should be encouraged.
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Originally Posted By MuzzieChik786⏩
Agreed, abortion should not be illegal. Because horrible people roam this earth and rape and incest occurs. Also, health conditions. In those scenarios, abortion should be encouraged.
What about the remaining 98.5% of abortions that are not a result of rape/incest?
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I wonder how many people in this thread would feel differently if they knocked up a chick by accident via broken condom or bish lying about BC or whatever.
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Originally Posted By MuzzieChik786⏩
The interesting thing is that we live in an era where minority rules. So if we had enough men demanding their right to object to an abortion (because it is their right), things would change. It's beginning, but not at a fast enough pace or in enough of a volume to prompt change.
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First of all, there are no real responsibilities, in the sense that someone must do something. If there's a guy that doesn't think he is responsible for the off-spring, and society and law says he is. Who's right? If you're high IQ you'll realise it's just matter of opinion.

People use that word to draw conclusions, they create a framework that suits their position, then say "This is way he IS responsible for the potential baby"... but all they've done is created a framework that supports that, without realising they've created that framework.
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Originally Posted By ContrarianIndi⏩
What about the remaining 98.5% of abortions that are not a result of rape/incest?
I see a multi-step process in dealing with those. Step #1 is already complete:

1) Provide sufficient means to prevent pregnancy. This exists in the form of condoms, birth control, morning after pill etc. You'd have to be a completely selfish idiot to still be able to impregnate/get pregnant in a developed country.

2)Charge both partiesfor abortions. No the state shouldn't pay for it. You two made the baby, you two are financially responsible for getting rid of it. I'm hoping this would discourage people from getting pregnant and having abortions.

3) Prevent incarcerated people from having babies. True story: my best friend did foster to adopt of a brother and sister. Both their parents were in jail. Yesterday, my friend found out that there are two more kids born within the last year by the same people. One of them still incarcerated. I don't really have a plan on how to address this other than sterilize repeat offenders.

4) Educate people to seek sterilization (vasectomy/tubes tied) if they don't ever plan on having kids. This would prevent "accidents" and unwanted babies in the foster care system.
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Straight men don’t get news coverage for their movements
If enough do it, yes they will. But men are their kinds' worst enemies. By belittling them for speaking out.
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Originally Posted By ContrarianIndi⏩
If a man forcefully aborts the child without the mother's consent by doing a stomach punch, or the classic stair push, it's a murder. If the mother aborts the child, it's a medical procedure. Strong double standards
This one makes me completely and utterly furious.

I understand that a women has full reproductive rights, since she needs control over her body and there is no clearly defined point in utero at which a human fetus is considered a legal human. once that human becomes viable its life takes precedent and it needs support - hence the financial support.

however, suddenly, that fetus is now a viable human when another party chooses to destroy it.

its a legal argument based on the opinion of the women, not any facts.
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Completely agree.

Not saying it's a good thing but as long as women are allowed to abort children that men want to have, men should be allowed to 'financially abort' children that women want to have.

I don't accept the herp derp argument of 'well he shouldn't have stuck his wee wee in her then'. Perhaps that's true but It takes 2 to tango. The secks was agreed to by both parties. How the pregnancy is handled should also be agreed on by both parties. And if an agreement can't be reached, both parties should have as close to the same options as possible. Just my opinion.
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When you play adult games you get adult problems. If you knock a girl up, you are responsible for the child regardless. That's like driving the getaway car but saying you didn't rob the bank.

Be a ****ing man and take care of your problems. Only punk ass bitches abandon their child.
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Originally Posted By Bingu⏩
There would be a lot less fatherless children. A lot less women unable to attain their personal goals do to the responsibility of raising a child when they are not ready. A lot less unwanted children born in impoverished areas.

I could probably think of a lot more positives but feel free to share some negatives.
why ever use condoms as a guy when you can say "naw abort it" and be 100% free of all personal responsibility.
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Originally Posted By JStrez⏩
When you play adult games you get adult problems. If you knock a girl up, you are responsible for the child regardless. That's like driving the getaway car but saying you didn't rob the bank.

Be a ****ing man and take care of your problems. Only punk ass bitches abandon their child.
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Originally Posted By krs128⏩
why ever use condoms as a guy when you can say "naw abort it" and be 100% free of all personal responsibility.
Because women already have this option
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Originally Posted By RedRusty⏩
Don't want the chance of a baby, don't have sex.
Are you pro choice? Hypocritical if so, since "a baby is not a punishment for sex" is exactly what the pro choice crowd is yelling.
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Originally Posted By KirkMcquest⏩
Yeah but thats not the way the law works. In reality, if the woman wants an abortion she gets one whether the man objects or not. So, as it stands the man has NO reproductive rights whatsoever. You cant have it both ways. If we are talking about what is RIGHT then either both have reproductive rights or nobody does.
I feel as if the woman doesnt want an abortion but the guy does, then he should be able to choose his total involvement in the childs life, this includes financially.
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Originally Posted By krs128⏩
why ever use condoms as a guy when you can say "naw abort it" and be 100% free of all personal responsibility.
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