The Dark Side Of Meditation (Long Post w/ videos)

09-01-2019, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted By BetaAsPhuck⏩

Not content... I don't have a fulfilling social life, I have severe ADHD (I hopefully will get meds), I'm functionally broke.

I'm the happiest that I've ever been though, even though I'm still working through accumulated trauma.

Why do you ask?

Honestly man that's great to hear. Sounds like you're doing alright, gotta get you a strong social/support network but you'll get there.

I ask because in the posts and threads you make, it sounds like you're working through a lot of stuff. I think that's great and if this is an outlet for you to do so and share your own experiences, keep at it.

09-01-2019, 03:38 PM

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I've never met anyone in real life that takes mediation that seriously.

I just have an alcoholic beverage and feel pretty good

09-01-2019, 03:51 PM

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Once a famous Zen master was asked 'what is Zen', he replied "When hungry eat. When tired sleep"

A member of the audience spoke out " But everybody does that!". "No" he replied. "When you eat you think 10 thousand thoughts and when you sleep you dream 10 thousand dreams".

09-02-2019, 04:09 AM

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Originally Posted By Bcl2⏩

Honestly man that's great to hear. Sounds like you're doing alright, gotta get you a strong social/support network but you'll get there.

I ask because in the posts and threads you make, it sounds like you're working through a lot of stuff. I think that's great and if this is an outlet for you to do so and share your own experiences, keep at it.

Thanks man.

I haven't suffered from depression since I was 22 (I'm 35), and although I've generally enjoyed being alive, the past 3 years I have been getting happier.

I still have tons of work to do on my character, communication habits, and psychology, but the day I decided (after watching a Tony Robbins video, funnily enough) to adopt Benevolence and compassion as my core guiding life value, things began to change significantly.

Honestly, it's like God said..."OK, now you won't be swimming upstream anymore, as long as you keep those values."

09-02-2019, 04:53 AM

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09-02-2019, 05:09 AM

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biggest dark side of meditation is the wasted time. I'm reading a book on meditation and guy is recommending 1-2 hour sessions a day.
Like dude... nah. I leave my house at 6am to work and I'm back at 6pm. I ain't got time to be sitting in silence for 2 hours gtfo.

09-02-2019, 05:14 AM

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This might be the dumbest thing I've ever read on here. The entire thing is a strawman agrument.

09-02-2019, 05:26 AM

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Originally Posted By 20Mavs11⏩

2. The way the world is moving, they DON'T want you to meditate. This is why people can't even stay off their cell phones while traveling 75 mph on a phucking high way. They're addicted to constant brain stimulation.

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so much ignorance in this thread...

Originally Posted By MyBaddBrah⏩

This might be the dumbest thing I've ever read on here. The entire thing is a strawman agrument.

these especially if you add the christian narrative to it I even read some bible thumper that said that doing yoga is the same thing as worshiping satan or something that's exactly why all organized religions need to be destroyed once and for all.

the reason why everybody is depressed and everybody has mental illness is because we were "tricked" to live outside of nature and everything in the western lifestyle is unnatural from the food we eat to our current lifestyles even living in cities is.

09-02-2019, 05:27 AM

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09-02-2019, 06:23 AM

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IDK how you dont just fall asleep.

I listened to some meditation mp3's a long time ago. IDK if they had any positive or negative effect beyond calming me down and getting me to sleep. I can do like 20 minutes of that chit before I turn it off and go to sleep.

09-02-2019, 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted By dabbmw2002⏩

I don't think meditation is good or bad, I do however think it's usefulness or harm depends on the individual. In this short thread there is a wide diversity of opinion, why do we look at something as being all good or all bad for everybody? People's brains work differently based on our experience, our unique constitution. There is no one size fits all. If meditation helps you keep doing it. If it does the opposite, stop.

One of the problems is, there are meditation teachers who will try to convince mediators that side effects like the following are OK, and just need to be endured. Rather than it being a signal to stop;

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"I can almost guarantee that if you start meditating, you'll start having more suicidal thoughts than you've ever had in your life."

"You might start doing drugs, alcohol, or smoking cigarettes again... Even though you gave them up. You might go on a sex binge, and go sleep with a bunch of strangers"

"You might start to behave like an animal, you might start to stratch yourself like an animal, crawling around on your knees, and howling like a wolf."

"You might have vivid sexual fantasies play out in front of you. And you might get fantasies that are the opposite of your sexual orientation, so if you are heterosexual you might get vivid homosexual sex scenes. Not like your imagination, but like a very life like scene playing out in front of you."

"You might see giant praying mantis type animals that try to speak to you, or try to kill you or claw at you... You might feel like you are being channeled by extra terrestrials, or abducted or probed. And these experiences aren't like a dream or nighmare, they are far more realistic than that."

"You can experience depersonalization, where you lose any sense of who you are."

"You might have experiences where it's like you body is being controlled by a puppet master, like you're not even in control of your body anymore, and you body is just moving on it's on. And you have no idea, what the hell is controlling you... It's almost like you are possessed."

The brah who said all of those things is one of the biggest new age 'gurus' on youtube, and heavily promotes meditation.This is the video where he talks about all of those things...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZpIvU6ny_M

Despite all those things, he doesn't advise people to think "Something is seriously wrong, I should stop." He basically says ; "Don't worry about it. It's a necessary to go through things like that, so just keep continuing."

He literally says (paraphrasing);"None of this is negative, it's all very positive stuff."Recurrent and strong suicidal thoughts, 'are very positive'.

He literally advises people to ignore recurrent and strong suicidal thoughts patterns. That is profoundly irresponsible, and may lead someone to suicide.

Recurrent suicidal thoughts, is something that people need to seek professional help for immediately.

09-02-2019, 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted By MyBaddBrah⏩

This might be the dumbest thing I've ever read on here. The entire thing is a strawman agrument.

I hope you watch the video, the guy presents studies and case studies, which you can Google and read for yourself.

Like he says, Mindfulness meditation is now an estimated multi-million dollar industry (combined with Yoga it's an estimate billion dollar industry), and only the positive effects are spoken about.

The idea of there being a 'dark side' to meditation is something that a lot of people don't seem to be aware of, because the mainstream media only talk about the positives.

09-02-2019, 10:55 AM

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Can say I meditate multiple times a week and have never started taking drugs, sleeping around or having homo fantasies.

Wtf is this chit about running around on all 4s and barking like a dog because of quieting your mind?

I guess Buddhists monasteries must he the craziest place. I bet they legit look like mental institutions, bunch of they heroin orgies with a bunch of dudes dressed up was furries...

09-02-2019, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted By arod204⏩

Can say I meditate multiple times a week and have never started taking drugs, sleeping around or having homo fantasies.

Wtf is this chit about running around on all 4s and barking like a dog because of quieting your mind?

I guess Buddhists monasteries must he the craziest place. I bet they legit look like mental institutions, bunch of they heroin orgies with a bunch of dudes dressed up was furries...

according to them you can also get possessed by a demon if you do yoga.

09-02-2019, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted By messomi⏩

according to them you can also get possessed by a demon if you do yoga.

They stuff he quoted was from an actual meditation teacher, not the Christian brah.

If you think I'm lying, please watch the video for yourself, and listen to what he says in the video in post #41.

09-02-2019, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted By arod204⏩

Can say I meditate multiple times a week and have never started taking drugs, sleeping around or having homo fantasies.

Wtf is this chit about running around on all 4s and barking like a dog because of quieting your mind?

I guess Buddhists monasteries must he the craziest place.I bet they legit look like mental institutions, bunch of they heroin orgies with a bunch of dudes dressed up was furries...

Seriously... Buddhist monasteries and Buddhism has had a very good PR campaign in the west... If you dig deeper, you'll see what I'm talking about...

https://time.com/5470903/clerical-se...monks-myanmar/

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/11/n...isconduct.html

https://info-buddhism.com/Abuse_and_...Sawerthal.html

https://www.dw.com/en/dalai-lama-adm...use/a-45507680

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...hina-feudalism

Westerners are well aware of the abuses of Church leaders and institutions, but seemingly ignorant of the abuses of Buddhist leaders and institutions.

My eyes got opened almost a decade ago, when I did some research into Tibet.. Basically it was a quasi-feudal society ran by the monks, with some serious abuses.

09-02-2019, 02:20 PM

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there's two issues/problems here.

1. pathetic christians love to promote their spiritually devoid faith by attacking eastern spirituality.
2. white people thinking they know phuck all about meditation the same they do of yoga. if you want to learn meditation don't learn it from a
white girl on youtube.

also, LMAO at the ******* who thinks it's prayer vs. meditation. not only are they complementary, when done at a high level they are literally the same thing.

09-02-2019, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted By 20Mavs11⏩

1. Youtube only allows what they want you to see. They don't care about you. They care about pushing agendas.

2. The way the world is moving, they DON'T want you to meditate. This is why people can't even stay off their cell phones while traveling 75 mph on a phucking high way. They're addicted to constant brain stimulation.

3. TV is designed to be over stimulating. With constant commercials and or apps like netflix that give you hours of useless, but brain stimulation.

If you do the opposite of what they're pushing it will lead you to meditation. I've heard religious quacks say it's the devils work to meditate. This false propaganda is just giving them ammunition to say "I TOLD YOU SO!!!" While they shove popeye's sandwiches down their fat throats.

Video posted today on a news site, it's about a new book about Mindfulness, and the author is on the show talking about it helps to maintain the system.

"It's a 1.5 billion dollar industry."

Mindfulness is the mainstream, dude...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pEJChaNKfSQ

09-02-2019, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted By MitchGreene⏩

]also, LMAO at the ******* who thinks it's prayer vs. meditation. not only are they complementary,when done at a high level they are literally the same thing.

Are you talking from experience?

Even contemplative prayer (which some say is the same as Vipassana) has a very different intention to say 'non-duality' meditation, the goal is an awareness of Christ/God, whereas the goal of 'non-duality' meditation is the destruction of the ego/non-dual perception.

09-02-2019, 02:27 PM

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christians are the only religion who are obsessed with disproving every other faith. why is this? how insecure are these phukkers that they can't just practice their own pagan inspired faith and shut the phuck up?

09-02-2019, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted By MitchGreene⏩

christians are the only religion who are obsessed with disproving every other faith.?

That's not true at all.

Islam does too.

Even Sikhs, Hindus and Bahais criticize other religious creeds.

I'm guessing you live in a Christian dominant country?

Also, numerous research (non-Chrisitan included) state that Christianity is the most persecuted religion in the world.

09-02-2019, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted By BetaAsPhuck⏩

Are you talking from experience?

Even contemplative prayer (which some say is the same as Vipassana) has a very different intention to say 'non-duality' meditation, the goal is an awareness of Christ/God, whereas the goal of 'non-duality' meditation is the destruction of the ego/non-dual perception.

why do you guys always have to play games and come to your goal in a round about way? do you think you're fooling anyone ? just come out and say what your pagan faith in its perverted form teaches: accept jesus or go to hell.

half your followers have become homosexual in the last 50 years. why don't your meditate on that?

09-02-2019, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted By BetaAsPhuck⏩

They stuff he quoted was from an actual meditation teacher, not the Christian brah.

If you think I'm lying, please watch the video for yourself, and listen to what he says in the video in post #41.

I am not going to do that your thread is filled with deluded misinformation and I studied this subject intensively already.

09-02-2019, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted By BetaAsPhuck⏩

That's not true at all.

Islam does too.

Even Sikhs, Hindus and Bahais criticize other religious creeds.

I'm guessing you live in a Christian dominant country?

Also, numerous research (non-Chrisitan included) state that Christian is the most persecuted religion in the world.

american evangelicals go to the poorest places on earth and LITERALLY pay cash to the people to become christian. then afterwards when people resist their demonic missionizing they claim the 'christians' are being persecuted. disgusting and pathetic. special place in hell for these people.

09-02-2019, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted By MitchGreene⏩

just come out and say what your pagan faith in its perverted form teaches: accept jesus or go to hell.

Because I don't believe that... Here is a good interview regarding the nature of Hell that is becoming increasingly popular in Christian thought...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xshlb_ZAorI

Which aligns with Near Death Experience testimonies of Hell, and what 18th century mystic and theologian Emmanuel Swedenborg said about hell.

09-02-2019, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted By triception⏩

Damn brah I'm sorry you went through that and am glad that you eventually were able to find come stability.

Some charts of what to expect in the Theravadan Path of Insight:

So generally people experience very pleasurable and beneficial effects and then get dumped into the Dark Night and need more sleep, have less focus, have a higher chance of mental illness, etc. This group believes that once you pass through the Arising and Passing Away that for the rest of your life you cycle through the negative stages and the A&P until you either die or you find guidance and acheive stream entry.

The messed up thing is that you can gain insight through things other than meditation practice. So there are tons of cases out there where a person's life is effected by this mental phenomena and they are completely unaware of it.

how do you fix this? I feel like this happened to me...

09-02-2019, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted By messomi⏩

I am not going to do that your thread is filled with deluded misinformation and I studied this subject intensively already.

OK, well he is a meditation teacher, and one of the most popular 'spiritual teachers' on youtube.

09-02-2019, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted By MitchGreene⏩

american evangelicals go to the poorest places on earth and LITERALLY pay cash to the people to become christian. then afterwards when people resist their demonic missionizing they claim the 'christians' are being persecuted. disgusting and pathetic. special place in hell for these people.

Here is a recent report, if you want to see how Christians are being persecuted. I don't know why you seem to think it's only evangelical missionaries from the US...

https://christianpersecutionreview.o...nterim-report/

09-02-2019, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted By supeg⏩

how do you fix this? I feel like this happened to me...

Why not stop meditating (if you haven't already done so)?