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post 1586319681 08-20-2019, 11:58 AM
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Originally Posted By AltarOfPlagues⏩
and in that moment i invoked the moral philosophies of euler and gauss and i was euphoria
Didn't say they had anything to do with moral philosophy.......

meh at least they weren't pontificating about ill-defined, unsolvable "problems" like the nature of being in verbose prose....lol at philosophy.
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Originally Posted By numberguy12⏩
Didn't say they had anything to do with moral philosophy.......

meh at least they weren't pontificating about ill-defined, unsolvable "problems" like the nature of being in verbose prose....lol at philosophy.
you're in a thread about philosophy
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Originally Posted By AltarOfPlagues⏩
you're in a thread about philosophy
yes....and critiquing it...
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Originally Posted By numberguy12⏩
yes....and critiquing it...
julia fractals are useless because i have never bothered to study them.

you're either ignorant or arrogant, take your pick.
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Originally Posted By AltarOfPlagues⏩
read about it in the SEP, i will just butcher it tryin to oversimplify it.

https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/k...hysics/#MatAnt
Ok bro, I read it, I gotta be honest, I feel like I'm going FULL brainlet mode, but I don't get it.

How do you see it?
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Originally Posted By AltarOfPlagues⏩
julia fractals are useless because i have never bothered to study them.

you're either ignorant or arrogant, take your pick.
Making quite the assumption there if you are implying I never studied philosophy.

Does all philosophy have to be useless? No. Is there a ton of bs and babble in the verbose pontifications of philosophers over the course of recorded history? Yes. And with this post, this thread doesn't really interest me enough to stay in it, so have at it with your intense philosophical speculation, lol.
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Originally Posted By AltarOfPlagues⏩
julia fractals are useless because i have never bothered to study them.

you're either ignorant or arrogant, take your pick.
false equivocation

math deals with chit that can be proved
philosophy is just opinions and ideas, some of which are good, but most of which are bs
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Originally Posted By wincel⏩
false equivocation

math deals with chit that can be proved
philosophy is just opinions and ideas, some of which are good, but most of which are bs
proved in what way?

heres excerpt from tractatus

1. The world is all that is the case.

1.1 The world is the totality of facts, not of things.

1.11 The world is determined by the facts, and by their being all the facts.

1.12 For the totality of facts determines what is the case, and also whatever is not the case.

1.13 The facts in logical space are the world.

1.2 The world divides into facts.

1.21 Each item can be the case or not the case while everything else remains the same.

2. What is the case—a fact—is the existence of states of affairs.


conversely theres whole analytical theories that apply modal logic. maybe you just like analytical philosophy and have never heard of it?

https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/l...dal/#WhaModLog

here is a wikipedia entry on the philosophy of science.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosophy_of_science
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utilitarian deontic logic

https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/ba4...22eee6db02.pdf
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Originally Posted By wincel⏩
false equivocation

math deals with chit that can be repeated
philosophy is just opinions and ideas, some of which are good, but most of which are bs
Fixt
There is no they…
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Yeah, has to be said, the eastern philosophies are the ones that really hit at the heart of it.

Western philosophies tend to be aimed at things that apply to living a good life, but are very surface level.
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Originally Posted By FailedPotential⏩
Yeah, has to be said, the eastern philosophies are the ones that really hit at the heart of it.

Western philosophies tend to be aimed at things that apply to living a good life, but are very surface level.
My first introduction to Eastern Philosophy was in;Intimacy or Integrity: Philosophy and Cultural Differences by Thomas P. Kasulis. It's one of my favourite non-fiction books.

Although the Author is quick to point out that he isn't talking about Western vs Eastern Philosophy, but is identifying 2 different philosophical paradigms that have manifested most prominently in Western cultures and philosophy, and in East Asian cultures and philosophies.

He classifies philosophical paradigms into 2 categories... OneIntegritybased and the otherIntimacybased.

I saw that Eastern philosophy (Intimacy based) is heavily focused on praxis, the experiential, and systems thinking, whereas Western Philosophy is heavily focused on analysis, classification, and reductionism.

Edit: I later read The Geography Of Thought By Richard Nisbett, which gave evidence via cross-cultural psychology experiments, of what Thomas was saying. That book is another favourite of mine.
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Originally Posted By Travis99⏩
Fixt
repeated?

u must be thinking of elementary math...there's a lot more to math than u think
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math is about proofs...u prove theorems aboit abstractly defined things using logic
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Originally Posted By AltarOfPlagues⏩
proved in what way?

heres excerpt from tractatus

1. The world is all that is the case.

1.1 The world is the totality of facts, not of things.

1.11 The world is determined by the facts, and by their being all the facts.

1.12 For the totality of facts determines what is the case, and also whatever is not the case.

1.13 The facts in logical space are the world.

1.2 The world divides into facts.

1.21 Each item can be the case or not the case while everything else remains the same.

2. What is the case—a fact—is the existence of states of affairs.


conversely theres whole analytical theories that apply modal logic. maybe you just like analytical philosophy and have never heard of it?

https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/l...dal/#WhaModLog

here is a wikipedia entry on the philosophy of science.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosophy_of_science
I have heard of it. I said most philosophy is bs. I consider logicians to be mathematicians.

To address the specific thing you are discussing, it sounds like you use "fact" to mean "empirically true proposition about the world." I dispute that the totality of facts determines the world. In fact, conventional quantum theory implies to us that the world is not deterministic fundamentally. Each item is also not independent of all other items. Entangled particles do not have independent spin measurements.

What you said is coming from ancient thinking, as is the case for much of philosophy.
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Originally Posted By MinisterOfLust⏩
Any good modern philosophers?
John Searle is interesting. He has proposed some interesting philosophical thought experiments, such as the Chinese Room. I do not agree with his conclusions though.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_room

Also, he got #metood and was a typical neocon chitstain lmao
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Since we kinda forgot about eastern philosophy






















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Originally Posted By NVious⏩
Since we kinda forgot about eastern philosophy
Regarding Bruce Lee, I've read...

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The Art Of Expressing The Human Body

And what is interesting (as someone in the foreword of one of his books points out) despite him taking a degree in philosophy, that heavily pushed Western Philosophy... He never was convinced that the Western Analytical and reductionist approach was better, than the monism and emphasis on praxis found in Eastern Philosophy.

I've seen a reemergence in the past 10 years of interest in Stocism, because it's less about arcane and ivory tower arguments, it's about how to survive and thrive with life. Which is something I've seen that Japanese and Chinese philosophy focus on.

I really like the concept of Wabi Sabi from Japanese philosophy, and it seems like it's found in the more tragic or non-action based anime.
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Originally Posted By BetaAsPhuck⏩
Regarding Bruce Lee, I've read...

Bruce Lee Striking Thoughts
Tao Of ****** Kune Do
Bruce Lee Artist Of Life
The Art Of Expressing The Human Body

And what is interesting (as someone in the foreword of one of his books points out) despite him taking a degree in philosophy, that heavily pushed Western Philosophy... He never was convinced that the Western Analytical and reductionist approach, was better than the monism and emphasis on praxis found in Eastern Philosophy.

I've seen a reemergence in the past 10 years of interest in Stocism, because it's less about arcane and ivory tower arguments, it's about how to survive and thrive with life. Which is something I've seen that Japanese and Chinese philosophy focus on.

I really like the concept of Wabi Sabi from Japanese philosophy, and it seems like it's found in the more tragic or non-action based anime.
It depends on what the definition of better is.

Eastern philosophy is far too passive and imbalanced towards the feminine for me, but that doesn't mean what I know is "better," it's just a different means of existence and thinking, in the same way I wouldn't want to live in a Spartan or Chechen society due to their rigidity towards creativity despite their extremely masculine virues that they push, I wouldn't want to live in a passive feminized society either because ironically, extreme masculinity and extreme feminity both don't really foster penultimate civilizations. That said, if people are happy, God bless em, personally due to having more Greco Roman idealism (genetically and philosophically), there is no way I can get behind them entirely.

That said, there are wonderful lessons we can take away from Eastern philosophy that greatly help our lives, just like ones we can take away from Sparta or Chechnya and Dagestan.
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Originally Posted By NVious⏩
It depends on what the definition of better is.
I used the wrong word, better phrasing (and I believe closer to what the foreword says) "Despite being exposed to the best of Western Philosophy, Bruce was still a monist."
Eastern philosophy is far too passive and imbalanced towards the feminine for me
I find that quite a shocking statement, based on the things I know of East Asian Philosophy and History.

But, what do you means specifically?
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Originally Posted By BetaAsPhuck⏩
I used the wrong word, better phrasing (and I believe closer to what the foreword says) "Despite being exposed to the best of Western Philosophy, Bruce was still a monist."



I find that quite a shocking statement, based on the things I know of East Asian Philosophy and History.

But, what do you means specifically?
Simply put, look at how expansive and innovative the east is compared to the west. Then look at the philosophies that rule the region.
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Greatest philosopher is in the MIRROR and competency is dependent on your TESTOSTERONE LEVELS.

If you have enough self esteem and strong enough level of test then philosophy seems like a *******'s romanticizing past time about the world and creating distorted realities that do not exist. This is because *******s have high levels of estrogen and low test, this is especially the case as dudes get into their old age.

Source: Myself with high estrogen levels read all the philosophy books before hitting puberty. Then again became daunted with philosophy when estrogen levels rose tremendously from medical issue. When estrogen was later controlled, philosophy became a *******'s romanticizing past time.
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Originally Posted By NVious⏩
Simply put, look at how expansive and innovative the east is compared to the west. Then look at the philosophies that rule the region.
I don't see how that relates to masculine and feminine philosophy.
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Originally Posted By BetaAsPhuck⏩
I don't see how that relates to masculine and feminine philosophy.
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OP, I'd say George Carlin is one of the best most recent philosophers of our time.

Thoughts on Mr. Carlin ?
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