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Originally Posted By numberguy12⏩

Congrats on missing the point of that post.

I realize you are triggered by someone being rationally skeptical about a claim you want to belieeeeve in lol. Deal with it.

I think you are missing my point, and putting words in my mouth to boot. I will walk you through it.



OP put up a thread discussing the videos

Originally Posted By MiscInformed⏩

All that said, the fighter pilot had some interesting things to say. I can't dismiss it or explain it, unless he's a practiced liar, which I don't think he is.

I'm just asking what you think of the conversation between Rogan and the former fighter pilot.

This triggered the fury of our resident InternetRationalSkepticTMwho dumped 3000 words over 24 hrs doing what he can to kill this discussion






I had to screen-shot the multiquote I attempted, youve pumped out so much skeptical hot fire in the last 24hrs that it maxes bbcode's character limit.

But to recap:

- You aligned yourself with Carl Sagan and his works multiple times
- You quoted his 'extraordinary claims extraordinary evidence' Sagan standard 20+ times
- You have invoked Occam's Razor a dozen times as well.

Nobody can say you haven't put in the work.

You have absolutely done what you can to kill this useless discussion, and have firmly made your point.

The nice part now is you, an Enlightened Intellectual, can leave this thread firm in the knowledge you don't suffer fools who want to have a conversation without Extraordinary Evidence backing them up like the OP was attempting. The rest of us mouth breathers who don't care about your minimum evidentiary standards required for enlightened discussion can continue on.

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You have my word as a Schons.

Originally Posted By mrsloppyfist⏩

yes exactly that ,


heres a fun fact

bob lazar was hired to work on the most secret base on earth

but right before he was hired he was all over the news papers as the guy who loved media attention for building his jet powered bike or car or whatever it was,

does this sound like a person they want to hire (who loves exposure like that) and in his own words he doesnt know why they hired him
but in reality they knew this guy is an attention whore and a perfect guy to run to the media when they show him some bull**** face alien ship , his alien theory will make the russians 2nd guess the USA if they do or do not have some alien tech and that any attacks against them can be a big mistake

this is what CIA does they work in some next level smart tactics to protect the nation

Seems like an awful long con though, took 30 years before anyone outside the Art Bell crowd heard about him.

Originally Posted By numberguy12⏩

Lol, yeah randos, your arguments are so convincing ITT....I want to belieeeeeve!!!!!

Not.

Not worth the time continuing to entertain these people's drivel, when they are unable to even read and comprehend points within posts or follow a discussion.

Edit: For the record I do not have Exceptional Evidence that this is in fact a Carl Sagan quote.

Originally Posted By Hypernation⏩

Maybe ... but lol if you think it’s the ****ing US Army. More likely the US Air Force or even some splinter of US government.

NOT... the fu ckin Army.

Aircraft moving with this type of agility just doesn't fit with our current understanding of propulsion. I haven't even seen hypothetical ones that might explain it. This is all a major leap in different physical sciences from what we see publicly. I just cant see any way of developing this level of technology to this degree without some evidence or spinoff in the public sector.

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RIP Zyzz- "forever mirin"

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Originally Posted By SPP1⏩

I've only read the first couple pages of this thread, but based on your posts, it's clear you haven't actually watched the podcast. You're basing your argument on other sources you've read/heard about Cmdr. Fravor's experience.

It's also obvious you seem to think you're the smartest guy in the room and you always have to try and prove it. No offense, but I'm guessing you don't have many friends. Perhaps you should talk to someone about this.

I'm sorry this happened to you.

Lol at this trigger. I mean when there is no response whatsoever, just post this eh? Ad hominem attacks? Sorry bro, no I'm not on that UFO/Ancient Aliens time like the mailman Busta above me, I realize this triggers you so much

If you actually take a few seconds to read my posts, you'll notice I reference various parts within the interview. The only thing you are essentially saying in this post- that "it is clear I didn't watch the podcast"- turns out to be......incorrect.

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Originally Posted By numberguy12⏩

I responded lol, you just are unable to read for whatever reason.

Hilarious howtriggered these people are because someone doesn't agree with them and belieeeeeeeeeve. Sorry, I couldn't care less lol. My stance hasn't changed, this is simply not good evidence for such an extradorinary claim. I can assure you I'm not alone in my stance on this subject....I mean just look into this with like a 10 second google search if you really want to. I'm getting repped by various people who agree with the reasoning put forth in my posts....so I guess other agree on here as well.

It's the misc of course....if you put up a detailed, reasoned post comprising of more than 1 paragraph, it's looked down on with disdain (almost like some are unable to read)....you need a mindless 1-liner to get through to these sorts I guess.

A post can't go by without more Rational hot fire coming out of you, who's triggered here?


To be completely fair to you, I have read your posts. The problem most people are having with you personally, outside the douchey internet pseudointellectual edgelord tone that most self proclaimed rational skeptics seem to have, is that you aren't proposing any explanation or adding to the discussion.

You are just chitting on anything with CANT BE THAT E X T R A O R D A N A I R Y E V I D E N C E OCCAMS RAZOR !!!1!!1!



In your own words:

It's always the same 3 vague blurry videos, which include things thatcan easily possibly just be terrestrial phenomena. A brief google search for rational skeptic takes on these 3 videos shows you all you need to know.

Occam's Razor:

-It's terrestrial phenomena in the videos

a vague video that can be explained otherwise, is not extraordinary evidence in itself.
The govt said it was Unexplained Aerial Phenomena. Anything can be unexplained aerial phenomena,including birds or balloons in the sky.

As for the video itself, it's amazing what even simple optical tricks such as zooming can do, and give appearances of rapid acceleration etc.At most you have an unidentified object, which could be anything lol.

f you go back and read my post, it does indeed seem that a terrestrial explanation (and there are countless) would be a simpler hypothesis

Except no, lol.There are all kinds of bland explanations.The rapid accelerations, as noted, can be artifacts of optical zooms etc. You simply have a case of an unknown object, whatever it is.

There areall kinds of things picked up by military radar all the time.

Whatever the case, the default position should probably be aliens aren't traversing astronomical distances to play games in our skies (and of course not in general, but just for a few grainy, vague videos).

if you are talking about the video, no nothing here necessarily defies the laws of physics, for example. Even in the extreme case, and there was evidence of some object doing things never seen before, you still have the option that this is just even higher, undisclosed military tech (this is not necessarily my take on it, but for the sake of argument)

There are so many possibilities and bland explanations: people say "well radar captured the object traveling at mach 3 because it picked up an object X distance away after Y seconds!"... well, could have just been picking up a different object, lol. If these readings were even accurate and happened in the first place. No impossible movements need to have been seen that day.

Seeing as you have more than half the posts here and it is basically your thread, please speculate.

- without some chickensh*t 'I wont waste my enlightened intelligence on you conspiracy theorists' copout
- without quoting Sagan
- without invoking Occam's Razor
- no copy-pasting from rationalwiki.org
- without attacking people

give us your opinion on the rational logical terrestrial explanation (you referred to multiple times above) for what we are seeing on these 3 videos.

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