Lol @ thinking people's health can't be bought with lobbying and bribes.


Have you ever watched a drug ad?

$drug may cause...:
-severe diarrhea
-increased risk of cancer
-seizures
-nausea
-kidney failure
-blindness
-bubonic plague

Stop taking the drug, and consult your doctor right away if you experience any of these symptoms..





I'm sure they wouldn't care about some guy's limp dick, and it will still get FDA approval.

FDA apProVed iT, It mUsT bE sAyfe gUizzz

Ehh survey and anecdotal evidence from men terrified of hopping off it for fear that they may lose their precious.

I don’t think it’s that bad for most people. And if it makes you happier sure go take it, but you can certainly fork up a little extra to get your blood checked (baseline) and then you have real data to show you whether or not it’s messing you up (by continuing to check it every couple of months)

It’s what any smart person would do with any other extra hormone addition/inhibitor.

Oh and I hate to point out the obvious but if you do get side effects then not only are you risking having those sides but you’ll be balding again. I wouldn’t make the choice lightly.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6131463/

"These symptoms can range from mild to severe and can be physical or psychological, including changes in sexual function, sleep/energy, growth and/or shrinkage of tissues, in sensory processes, and/or higher cognitive functions, including mood. Simply, there is general functional decline following finasteride usage among some men."

Read if you want, this paper is not an exact science but I believe there is something to it

Understand this drug is a huge market for tons of "insecure" men who cannot properly cope with loss of hair and will take risks to save the hair. You bet your ass there will be shady "research" or lack of to keep the drug on the market

I'm not saying everyone taking this drug will suffer or even that most will, but the risks are real and they are out there

What is the risk you are willing to undergo to save your hair? If your hairloss is affecting you this harshly emotionally that you are willing to take these risks on a drug you need to take for life, you may need new methods of coping or a different focus on life

**** me.

I bought fin ages ago cut it up to pills and left them in a bottle just sitting there.
I'm already 5'6 pale, I can't afford to lose my hair. should ij ust bite the bullet and start?

nooo just embrace the baldness guys it made my dick shrink i swear


(shh need to keep the baldies around to make our heads of hair look all the better ffs) finasteride-or-die

Been on it 9 1/2 months and no side effects. Hair def stopped falling out and I'm 95% confident it looks thicker than a year ago. Thanks roman.

you brehs will always find something to be insecure about

i pull dialed broads younger than me all the time and i'm norwood 1 million

nobody gives a fukk but you srs

There are women who think the pill isn't completely fukking up their systems. People ignore side effects of things that give them what they want.

Go to a respected derm, take a blood test prior to getting fin, if you get side effects than talk to your derm and quit taking it. This isn't that difficult, stop getting medical advice from balding people who don't want other men to save their hair.

Interesting to note, finasteride achieves near-maximal 5-alpha reductase inhibition at a dose of only 0.25 mg. So if you have 1 mg tablets, cut them into fourths and save a fortune. Keeps goes from $25 a month to $6 a month.

Been on it 4 months, no side effects so fair. And maybe it's placebo, but I swear my hair is thicker than it was before.

I read a study recently that backed up what you said, and that's why I take around 0.6mg a day (harder to get it any smaller as my pills are 5mg). I can't seem to find it now though.

But I found this, which seems to contradict it:

https://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...22202X15529357

Strong cope by balding cucks, DHT is very important.

Have fun with your transistion into a female.

AND lol at that survey, survey's on forums are 50%+ reporting side effects.

Read this *******z:

A REUTERS SERIES

Court let Merck hide secrets about a popular drug’s risks

Lawsuits claim baldness drug Propecia causes sexual problems and depression. The judge sealed evidence – uncovered by Reuters – suggesting the maker downplayed the side effects. A widow wants the truth out.


Meanwhile another drug from Merck you balding cucks ignore:

Approval by the FDA should mean that the substance in question is reasonably safe for use in the wider population. Sadly, despite FDA approval, many drugs have had to be subsequently withdrawn from the market after wider use showed severe consequences which were not adequately assessed or communicated by the very institution that was supposed to protect the public from such outcomes. Take another Merck (makers of propecia) drug, Vioxx, which was approved by the FDA. Withdrawn from the market after five years, it caused approximately 100000 heart attacks and thousands of deaths. The revelations that resulted from the ensuing scrutiny offer a chilling insight into the machinations of a pharmaceutical company that nakedly prized its profit margin above its duty not to harm its consumers. It also exposed the FDA’s rank inadequacies in preventing such a tragedy from happening in the first place.https://www.ucsusa.org/manipulating-...out-drug-vioxx

“Merck Manipulated the Science about the Drug Vioxx”
Scientists from the pharmaceutical giant Merck skewed the results of clinical trials in favor of the arthritis drug, Vioxx, to hide evidence that the drug increased patients’ risk of heart attack.

Tragically, Merck’s manipulation of its data—and the FDA’s resulting approval of Vioxx in 1999—led to thousands of avoidable premature deaths and 100,000 heart attacks.?Dr. David Graham, the Associate Director for Science and Medicine in FDA’s Office of Drug Safety, testified in 2004 before the Senate Finance Committee that the FDA's failure to recall Vioxx earlier had resulted in as many as 55,000 premature deaths from heart attacks and stroke, calling it the equivalent of allowing "two to four jumbo jetliners" to crash every week for five years. Even years after discontinuing use of the drug, patients who have taken Vioxx continue to experience complications.https://www.newscientist.com/article...aths-cover-up/

“Drug giant Merck accused of deaths cover-up”
When a study suggested that Vioxx was more dangerous than a rival drug, for example, the company is alleged to have decided not to publish the results or properly inform the FDA.

Egilman says the documents also contain an email in which a Merck employee tells a co-worker that “this is a very serious result and you will hardly be surprised by the idea of keeping this VERY TIGHT for the moment”.https://www.news.com.au/news/drug-c....4dbc4c4fed7126

“Vioxx maker Merck and Co drew up doctor hit list”
An international drug company made a hit list of doctors who had to be “neutralised” or discredited because they criticised the anti-arthritis drug the pharmaceutical giant produced.

The email, which came out in the Federal Court in Melbourne yesterday as part of a class action against the drug company, included the words "neutralise", "neutralised" or "discredit" against some of the doctors' names.

"We may need to seek them out and destroy them where they live," a Merck employee wrote, according to an email excerpt read to the court by Julian Burnside QC, acting for the plaintiff.
https://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/09/b...s/09merck.html
“Merck Agrees to Settle Vioxx Suits for $4.85 Billion”
Three years after withdrawing its pain medication Vioxx from the market, Merck has agreed to pay $4.85 billion to settle 27,000 lawsuits by people who claim they or their family members suffered injury or died after taking the drug, according to two lawyers with direct knowledge of the matter.https://www.finance.senate.gov/imo/m...1804dgtest.pdf

Took finasteride for almost a year. Noticed no regrowth of hair

Can you elaborate on your DHT claim? I always see you post graphs and numbers and chit but apparently not in this case. Where are the facts?
Because most people who don't get side effects don't go crying/trolling on forums.

This. That dude always spews the same bs. It's a personal decision in the end, but taking him serious would be a mistake.

bump

Here's a 120 page paper full of science on what fina does and why it's so dangerous, especially in the long run.

Looking forward how you guys will deflect, dismiss this, let alone read it:

https://www.regulations.gov/document...17-P-5787-0001

Edit, you also asked about DHT? It's an extremely important hormone especially for maintenance, this is basic biochemistry, hell even wiki stating these obvious facts:

DHT is biologically important for sexual differentiation of the male genitalia during embryogenesis, maturation of the penis and scrotum at puberty, growth of facial, body, and pubic hair, and development andmaintenanceof the prostate gland and seminal vesicles. It is produced from the less potent testosterone by the enzyme 5?-reductase in select tissues, and isthe primary androgen in the genitals, prostate gland, seminal vesicles, skin, and hair follicles.[2]


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dihydrotestosterone

Fina is also hormone treatment used by transexuals:

Finasteride, sold under the brand names Proscar and Propecia among others, is a medication used mainly to treat an enlarged prostate or hair loss in men.[2] It can also be used to treat excessive hair growth in women and as a part of hormone therapy for transgender women.[3][4] It is taken by mouth.[2]


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finasteride

And studies for Merck are not to be trusted, hence the internet being full of people who have side effects from fina. LOL at the 3% number, absolute joke that only the most desperate balding fina copers would still believe.

Look up Vioxx and the new article, just one month old:

https://www.reuters.com/investigates...recy-propecia/



"Bu..bu...muh official studiessss!!!!"

Other than thousands upon thousands of anecdotal reports from different men of severe adverse reactions to the drug appearing on the internet in the decades since it was approved for sale, evidence of objective differences between PFS patients and control groups has now been established.

https://journals.plos.org/plosone/ar...0237#abstract0

The ratio of AR positive stromal cells % to serum testosterone concentrations was 2-fold higher in cases than in controls (P = 0.001). Our findings revealed that modulation of local AR levels might be implicated in long-term side effects of finasteride use. This provides the first evidence of a molecular objective difference between patients with long-term adverse sexual effects after finasteride use versus drug untreated healthy controls in certain tissues.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/28408350

We also reported abnormal ****tosensory evoked potentials of the pudendal nerve in PFS patients with severe ED, the first objective evidence of a neuropathy involving peripheral neurogenic control of erection.

Data obtained on neuroactive steroid levels also indicate interesting features. Indeed, decreased levels of pregnenolone, progesterone and its metabolite (i.e., dihydroprogesterone), dihydrotestosterone and 17beta-estradiol and increased levels of dehydroepiandrosterone, testosterone and 5alpha-androstane-3alpha,17beta-diol were observed in CSF of PFS patients.

Finally, finasteride did not only affect, as expected, the levels of 5alpha-reduced metabolites of progesterone and testosterone, but also the further metabolites and precursors suggesting that this drug has broad consequence on neuroactive steroid levels of PFS patients.

https://www.jsm.jsexmed.org/article/...817-9/fulltext

Using novel ultrasound technology, 96% of men with PFS and ED demonstrated heterogeneity in their corporal tissue at maximal pharmacologic erection. This new protocol is able to show that PFS men complaining of ED may have an underlying biologic pathophysiology.

So, three objective differences in men with PFS


Double the androgen receptor expression compared to non-PFS control group

Cerebrospinal fluid readings of PFS patients showed significantly lowered levels of several hormones and neuroactive steroids and “abnormal ****tosensory evoked potentials of the pudendal nerve were reported”

Ultrasounds of PFS patients’ genitals showed evidence of a potential biologic pathophysiology

I had no idea that it made you grow less body hair not that I'd ever take it anyway. Risks are too great for me but I don't have a gay alien skull either

Being on fin for 2 years now. Hair thick af and dink hard af. Haters gonna hate.

Scattered anecdotal stories, what more could you possibly need prior to making such a decision

approaching nw1.5 after 3 months. 😂 started nw2.5.

just started using TOPPIK along with fin. All signs of balding vanished

Alright, I got into it a little. But it all mostly seems like hypothesis to me, not settled science. Also, they always refer to 'PFS patients', aka a tiny minority of finasteride users who (supposedly) get long-term side effects from it. What about the 95%+ people who don't get side effects at all? How does the drug affect their brains? One of the papers you linked was from the PFSFoundation and the first thing they demand is taking finasteride off the market and therefore prevent treatment for millions of patients who have been taking the drug without any issues, just because they're convinced it was finasteride that caused their sexual dysfunction. That's nutty.

Not convinced bud.

LMFAO I went to the DMV last month to renew my license, there was an older (about 50's) black guy there who's entire top of his head was sprayed on hair.

Was one of the stupidest things I've seen.

You have to be stupid.

The FDA is basically like a mafia for things that are consumable.

I already have no libido so can I take it risk free?

yeh, would look stupid if you're pretty far gone and have to use lots of it..but if you've just got slight thinning then this stuff is amazing

[QUOTE=****inator post_id=1589957021]Here's a 120 page paper full of science on what fina does and why it's so dangerous, especially in the long run.

Looking forward how you guys will deflect, dismiss

Edit, you also asked about DHT? It's an extremely important hormone especially for maintenance, this is basic biochemistry, hell even wiki stating these obvious facts:

DHT is biologically important for sexual differentiation of the male genitalia during embryogenesis, maturation of the penis and scrotum at puberty, growth of facial, body, and pubic hair, and development and[b]maintenance[/b]of the prostate gland and seminal vesicles. It is produced from the less potent testosterone by the enzyme 5?-reductase in select tissues, and is [B]the primary androgen in the genitals, prostate gland, seminal vesicles,

Fina is also hormone treatment used by transexuals:

Finasteride, sold under the brand names Proscar and Propecia among others, is a medication used mainly to treat an enlarged prostate or hair loss in men.[2] It can also be used to treat excessive hair growth in women and as a part of hormone therapy for transgender women.[3][4] It is

And studies for Merck are not to be trusted, hence the internet being full of people who have side effects from fina. LOL at the 3% number, absolute joke that only the most desperate balding fina copers would still believe.

Look up Vioxx and the new



"Bu..bu...muh official studiessss!!!!"[/QUOTE]Idk man my friend is still going to take it he says lol. My other friend is on it for a year and my mate says he's fine and degree his hairline