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Originally Posted By mandarino⏩
People who espouse opinions that are literally retarded tend to act like retards about it when called out. Double down on the retardation, throw a tantrum, and then run away from the discussion. Exactly like what happened with the vaccine truthers in this thread.Boom!
But real tea, none of these deluded peeps itt will even bother to read this post and will continue to trumpet the same antivax nonsense.
But real tea, none of these deluded peeps itt will even bother to read this post and will continue to trumpet the same antivax nonsense.
These morons literally buy into that chit because madman and mega leftist Jim Carrey and his playboy model whore of an ex-girlfriend decided to go public with their retarded beliefs.
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Lmao yes let's give the government precedent to force injections of whatever "medicine" they feel we need the entire population to have. It starts with injections it might end with Prozac srs who the fuk knows. The Patriot act started to fight terrorism and quickly common criminals were being labeled "terrorists" in order to do warrantless wire taps.
The pharmaceutical industry is in bed with the govt so why is it hard to believe that setting precedent of forced vaccinations would lead to forced medication across a spectrum of issues?
Also just LMAO every time one of these outbreaks of a "previously eradicated illness" occurred half the kids who catch it were already vaccinated. Just lmao.
The pharmaceutical industry is in bed with the govt so why is it hard to believe that setting precedent of forced vaccinations would lead to forced medication across a spectrum of issues?
Also just LMAO every time one of these outbreaks of a "previously eradicated illness" occurred half the kids who catch it were already vaccinated. Just lmao.
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Originally Posted By WeBoutDat⏩
The Amish are a complete joke. Intentionally live like chit as if it's the year 1700 in their communities whilst rejecting all modern technology, medicine, and other advances. Stop by McDonald's with their horse and buggy to pick up some McDoubles sometimes from "the English people" with the money they got from "the English people" who gave them money for their quilts, nik nacks, and self-canned crops. Reject all modern western medicine until they are seriously ill, then have no problem taking advantage of all modern conveniences and medical advances in some ER because they're too stupid to take care of themselves all along. Occasionally hire some "English" men to knock up their wives for them once their genetic diversity is so bad from the incest that every kid starts coming out badly deformed.Friend of mine is a pediatric nurse and deals with this Amish family all the time. They have 13 kids and don't believe in modern medicine until their kids get sick and end up in the hospital - which is all the time. Not a single one of them is vaccinated and 3 have recently contracted german measles.
11-07-2019, 08:07 AM
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Originally Posted By MitchGreene⏩
I was always for mass vaccination, but now that the govt MANDATES it here in CA im suspect AF srs. Why are they pushing so hard for every single person to have it? Out here in California, if the demand everyone do something its ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS for a hidden nefarious purpose. The mandatory vaccine laws are soo sketchy to me, just railroading peoples righ tto choose?! It un-American at the coreclimate change quacks and anti-medical choice quacks are on the same side, you dumb *******
if the vaccine is effective why are you concerned about other people exercising their most basic of human rights?
let me guess, you believe the government should raise children and not parents? phukkin ******* you are...
if the vaccine is effective why are you concerned about other people exercising their most basic of human rights?
let me guess, you believe the government should raise children and not parents? phukkin ******* you are...
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Originally Posted By Peacening⏩
Every "point" you made here was torn apart several times over.Lmao yes let's give the government precedent to force injections of whatever "medicine" they feel we need the entire population to have. It starts with injections it might end with Prozac srs who the fuk knows. The Patriot act started to fight terrorism and quickly common criminals were being labeled "terrorists" in order to do warrantless wire taps.
The pharmaceutical industry is in bed with the govt so why is it hard to believe that setting precedent of forced vaccinations would lead to forced medication across a spectrum of issues?
Also just LMAO every time one of these outbreaks of a "previously eradicated illness" occurred half the kids who catch it were already vaccinated. Just lmao.
The pharmaceutical industry is in bed with the govt so why is it hard to believe that setting precedent of forced vaccinations would lead to forced medication across a spectrum of issues?
Also just LMAO every time one of these outbreaks of a "previously eradicated illness" occurred half the kids who catch it were already vaccinated. Just lmao.
How ironic is it that they can ALWAYS trace these previously eradicated diseases back to the kids of immigrants from third world chitholes or who have retarded vaccine truther parents, thus compromising the herd immunity of the rest of them? But yeah, all of that is beyond your monkey brain's level of comprehension.
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Originally Posted By Peacening⏩
THIS THIS THIS THIS!!!!!! What the fuk are they really injecting into people?!?!?! Are they adding some chit that no one is aware of?!?! Suspect AF bruhsLmao yes let's give the government precedent to force injections of whatever "medicine" they feel we need the entire population to have. It starts with injections it might end with Prozac srs who the fuk knows. The Patriot act started to fight terrorism and quickly common criminals were being labeled "terrorists" in order to do warrantless wire taps.
The pharmaceutical industry is in bed with the govt so why is it hard to believe that setting precedent of forced vaccinations would lead to forced medication across a spectrum of issues?
Also just LMAO every time one of these outbreaks of a "previously eradicated illness" occurred half the kids who catch it were already vaccinated. Just lmao.
The pharmaceutical industry is in bed with the govt so why is it hard to believe that setting precedent of forced vaccinations would lead to forced medication across a spectrum of issues?
Also just LMAO every time one of these outbreaks of a "previously eradicated illness" occurred half the kids who catch it were already vaccinated. Just lmao.
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Originally Posted By knightofday⏩
It's called herd immunity. Look it up. It's a real thing. Just because you get your kids vaccinated doesn't make them 100% immune to the diseases carried into their daycares and schools by the brats of immigrants and vaccine truther parents who are too stupid to get their own kids vaccinated. Thus, they mandate a minimum set of them in an attempt to prevent the stupidity.I was always for mass vaccination, but now that the govt MANDATES it here in CA im suspect AF srs. Why are they pushing so hard for every single person to have it? Out here in California, if the demand everyone do something its ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS for a hidden nefarious purpose. The mandatory vaccine laws are soo sketchy to me, just railroading peoples righ tto choose?! It un-American at the core
You bitch about it being "un-American". That's a stupid emotional response, but I'll play along. If you don't like it, then find daycares and private schools who don't care if you get your kids vaccinated before attending and send your kids there. Don't be a typical commie who wants to force everyone else to deal with the consequences your retarded decisions in life.
Besides that, they always allow nonsensical exceptions based on crap like "religious beliefs". I seriously doubt that Commiefornia doesn't also have the out loopholes in their vaccination systems, because it's always hardcore leftists pushing vaccine truther horse chit.
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Oh man, this childhood friend of mine started a naturopathic/homeopathic clinic catering to the too much time on their hands/gluten free/anti vaccine/******** Mombie crowd. He claims he was "vaccine injured" as a child and that his father cured his autism through natropathy, along with curing AIDS and cancer but that's a story for another day. He's making an absurd amount of money on parents who have special needs children, claiming he can cure them with enough heavy metal testing and divining rods or whatever. There is money to be madeeverywhere.I don't quite understand how anti-vaccine weirdos can scream about how it's all a money grab when they toss thousands at "healthcare professionals" who never graduated high school.
To be clear, he never had autism. Ever.
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Originally Posted By northernlights7⏩
I dont think people want to blame their own messed up genes that has been passed down.Every "point" you made here was torn apart several times over.
How ironic is it that they can ALWAYS trace these previously eradicated diseases back to the kids of immigrants from third world chitholes or who have retarded vaccine truther parents, thus compromising the herd immunity of the rest of them? But yeah, all of that is beyond your monkey brain's level of comprehension.
How ironic is it that they can ALWAYS trace these previously eradicated diseases back to the kids of immigrants from third world chitholes or who have retarded vaccine truther parents, thus compromising the herd immunity of the rest of them? But yeah, all of that is beyond your monkey brain's level of comprehension.
Any issue with being retarded, autism, ADD, ADHD must be blamed on vaccination or maybe plastic straws
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Originally Posted By northernlights7⏩
Youre european arent you? Just curious.It's called herd immunity. Look it up. It's a real thing. Just because you get your kids vaccinated doesn't make them 100% immune to the diseases carried into their daycares and schools by the brats of immigrants and vaccine truther parents who are too stupid to get their own kids vaccinated. Thus, they mandate a minimum set of them in an attempt to prevent the stupidity.
You bitch about it being "un-American". That's a stupid emotional response, but I'll play along. If you don't like it, then find daycares and private schools who don't care if you get your kids vaccinated before attending and send your kids there. Don't be a typical commie who wants to force everyone else to deal with the consequences your retarded decisions in life.
Besides that, they always allow nonsensical exceptions based on crap like "religious beliefs". I seriously doubt that Commiefornia doesn't also have the out loopholes in their vaccination systems, because it's always hardcore leftists pushing vaccine truther horse chit.
You bitch about it being "un-American". That's a stupid emotional response, but I'll play along. If you don't like it, then find daycares and private schools who don't care if you get your kids vaccinated before attending and send your kids there. Don't be a typical commie who wants to force everyone else to deal with the consequences your retarded decisions in life.
Besides that, they always allow nonsensical exceptions based on crap like "religious beliefs". I seriously doubt that Commiefornia doesn't also have the out loopholes in their vaccination systems, because it's always hardcore leftists pushing vaccine truther horse chit.
So nothing wrong with being forced by the govt to inject something into your body, anything they tell you as long as they "justify it"? srs question
All im saying is in the US, govts local and federal are know for mandating things for alternative purposes than what they tell the public. Theyll lie to your face to accomplish whatever their objective is. Almost everything mandated by CA govt is retarded or for a nefarious reason hidden behind something altruistic, should we just trust the govt that they have our best interests in mind on this issue when they have been proven not to on soo many others?
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Originally Posted By northernlights7⏩
I'm only mildly suspicious regarding the medical efficacy of vaccinations. I do believe in some level that they work. What I don't believe in is the bigger point I made, which is giving the government the right to make any medication mandatory for an entire population. That point you conveniently chose to ignore in your response by saying they were "torn apart" when in fact all I did was say facts about how the government takes precedent and abuses policy for their various agendas and nobody ever answers for it.Every "point" you made here was torn apart several times over.
How ironic is it that they can ALWAYS trace these previously eradicated diseases back to the kids of immigrants from third world chitholes or who have retarded vaccine truther parents, thus compromising the herd immunity of the rest of them? But yeah, all of that is beyond your monkey brain's level of comprehension.
How ironic is it that they can ALWAYS trace these previously eradicated diseases back to the kids of immigrants from third world chitholes or who have retarded vaccine truther parents, thus compromising the herd immunity of the rest of them? But yeah, all of that is beyond your monkey brain's level of comprehension.
So basically because you are afraid of catching an illness you believe that everyone should sacrifice their right to freedom and become a medical patient of the state. Sounds like you are a raging poocey who is cucked by mainstream media into a fear frenzy in order to support the agenda of the elites. Nothing you say or believe holds any value here considering it is bas d on fear and not reason. Quit being irrational.
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Originally Posted By northernlights7⏩
You couldn't be more wrong. It is the liberals who are pushing to take away the freedoms of anti-vaxers. They literally passed a law making it nearly impossible to even get a medical exemption... "Find a daycare where they don't require vaccinations" is literally impossible as all daycares and schools are legally bound to require students/children be vaccinated before going. There is no option to go unvaccinated anymore-- literally every child in California needs to have it to go anywhere legally.It's called herd immunity. Look it up. It's a real thing. Just because you get your kids vaccinated doesn't make them 100% immune to the diseases carried into their daycares and schools by the brats of immigrants and vaccine truther parents who are too stupid to get their own kids vaccinated. Thus, they mandate a minimum set of them in an attempt to prevent the stupidity.
You bitch about it being "un-American". That's a stupid emotional response, but I'll play along. If you don't like it, then find daycares and private schools who don't care if you get your kids vaccinated before attending and send your kids there. Don't be a typical commie who wants to force everyone else to deal with the consequences your retarded decisions in life.
Besides that, they always allow nonsensical exceptions based on crap like "religious beliefs". I seriously doubt that Commiefornia doesn't also have the out loopholes in their vaccination systems, because it's always hardcore leftists pushing vaccine truther horse chit.
You bitch about it being "un-American". That's a stupid emotional response, but I'll play along. If you don't like it, then find daycares and private schools who don't care if you get your kids vaccinated before attending and send your kids there. Don't be a typical commie who wants to force everyone else to deal with the consequences your retarded decisions in life.
Besides that, they always allow nonsensical exceptions based on crap like "religious beliefs". I seriously doubt that Commiefornia doesn't also have the out loopholes in their vaccination systems, because it's always hardcore leftists pushing vaccine truther horse chit.
You literally have zero facts in your post.
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Originally Posted By Peacening⏩
Like I said, maybe it's different in CA. Where I'm from, it's always the looney moonbat level liberals I hear crying about getting their kids vaccinated. Getting exemptions here is TOO easy. There aren't a lot of hardcore religious right people here who reject the science behind vaccines. I would have thought that that wing of ant-vaccine crowd would have been more in the deep south and such.You couldn't be more wrong. It is the liberals who are pushing to take away the freedoms of anti-vaxers. They literally passed a law making it nearly impossible to even get a medical exemption... "Find a daycare where they don't require vaccinations" is literally impossible as all daycares and schools are legally bound to require students/children be vaccinated before going. There is no option to go unvaccinated anymore-- literally every child in California needs to have it to go anywhere legally.
You literally have zero facts in your post.
You literally have zero facts in your post.
Honestly, you need to be more careful when using CA as an example with anything like this. That state is so beyond fked up that there are all sorts of other variables to consider. Most of the country isn't as unhinged as the ultra socialist libs of Cali.
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Originally Posted By redraider86⏩
There are thousands of scammers in the anti vax world including the documentary makers.... But the pharmaceutical companies get hundreds of dollars per child who gets vaccinated. We already know these same companies sell medicines in America for $100 that cost $5 in most countries, so it's safe to say most of those several hundred dollars per vaccinated child is mostly profit. Multiply that by 100 million kids and adults and what do you get? Way more money than any of those anti-vaxx scammers is getting. Create policy that requires these vaccinations and suddenly that revenue stream that just increased becomes set in stone and permanent for those companies.Oh man, this childhood friend of mine started a naturopathic/homeopathic clinic catering to the too much time on their hands/gluten free/anti vaccine/******** Mombie crowd. He claims he was "vaccine injured" as a child and that his father cured his autism through natropathy, along with curing AIDS and cancer but that's a story for another day. He's making an absurd amount of money on parents who have special needs children, claiming he can cure them with enough heavy metal testing and divining rods or whatever. There is money to be madeeverywhere.I don't quite understand how anti-vaccine weirdos can scream about how it's all a money grab when they toss thousands at "healthcare professionals" who never graduated high school.
To be clear, he never had autism. Ever.
To be clear, he never had autism. Ever.
Why on Earth wouldn't they try and control public discourse in the favor of mandatory vaccines if they stand to gain trillions of dollars from it???
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Originally Posted By DeadlyStriker⏩
lol at thinking a rise in vaccination and a rise in autism means they're correlated. There has also been a rise in ********ing, twittering, watching tv, staying indoors, obesity, eating garbage food, etc. Are those all correlated also? Do vaccinations cause obesity? Vaccinations and obesity are just as correlated as vaccinations and autism. (hint: they're not correlated at all)First of all, that's your entire response?
Second of all, I said correlation. Rise in vaccinations and rise in autism in children have seen to go hand in hand. No one big body is going to research it though because of monetary gains.
Also, when you have guys like Bill Gates talking about population control and pushing vaccinations, and also talking about future pandemic that may kill 33 million people, I'm going to question. I'm looking for answers, not playing joining a side of a false binary argument used for social shame and elitism.
Second of all, I said correlation. Rise in vaccinations and rise in autism in children have seen to go hand in hand. No one big body is going to research it though because of monetary gains.
Also, when you have guys like Bill Gates talking about population control and pushing vaccinations, and also talking about future pandemic that may kill 33 million people, I'm going to question. I'm looking for answers, not playing joining a side of a false binary argument used for social shame and elitism.
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Originally Posted By Peacening⏩
Incorrect. You can still get a medical exemption from a doctor in CA. They just have to be reviewed now.You couldn't be more wrong. It is the liberals who are pushing to take away the freedoms of anti-vaxers. They literally passed a law making it nearly impossible to even get a medical exemption... "Find a daycare where they don't require vaccinations" is literally impossible as all daycares and schools are legally bound to require students/children be vaccinated before going. There is no option to go unvaccinated anymore-- literally every child in California needs to have it to go anywhere legally.
You literally have zero facts in your post.
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Originally Posted By Peacening⏩
I really don't care, that's a whole lot of vague questions that I'm not interested in answering. What I can say is that I'm one of those immunocompromised people and I deal with the consequences of those selfish kunts who don't vaccinate seemingly every month. Most recently I returned from a business trip and a week later got to use a vacation day to deal with measles exposure through the airport. I'm tired of stupid conspiracy minded fuks derailing my life because they watched a YouTube video.There are thousands of scammers in the anti vax world including the documentary makers.... But the pharmaceutical companies get hundreds of dollars per child who gets vaccinated. We already know these same companies sell medicines in America for $100 that cost $5 in most countries, so it's safe to say most of those several hundred dollars per vaccinated child is mostly profit. Multiply that by 100 million kids and adults and what do you get? Way more money than any of those anti-vaxx scammers is getting. Create policy that requires these vaccinations and suddenly that revenue stream that just increased becomes set in stone and permanent for those companies.
Why on Earth wouldn't they try and control public discourse in the favor of mandatory vaccines if they stand to gain trillions of dollars from it???
Why on Earth wouldn't they try and control public discourse in the favor of mandatory vaccines if they stand to gain trillions of dollars from it???
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Don't think about the subject and don't really care but an ex coworker of mine had to get a shot for something since he was in the military and his face puffed up hardcore from it..... years later, his face is still fuked up. They don't know why or how it happened and I'm sure it was a rare reaction to it but fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuk that. I would've ended it. He was a good looking dude beforehand and now looks kinda messed up. These days I don't get vaccines because I'm lazy and if I die then so be it
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Originally Posted By DeadlyStriker⏩
Well saidThat's not an argument.
Whenever there is excessive social shame towards one side of an argument, there is always a problem that wants to be unseen.
Questions. I, like a lot of people, question the nature of vaccines and what is in them. If you research it, and don't have questions, you are a slave to authority. There have also been several cases that have been opened and closed where families won claiming vaccinations caused major health issues.
There have been basically zero cases of polio, yet you think if a group of people stop taking vaccines, polio is going to come back and destroy the nation? If you took the vaccine, you cannot get it anyways, correct? If you had a child and the nurses told you that have to administer 30 different vaccinations over a 6 month period, would you question it?
Have you even looked at what is in a vaccine? Look at the current vaccination protocol for babies. It's asinine to think that it is healthy for a baby to receive the amount of vaccines they are pushing nowadays.
QUESTION. Are all vaccines terrible and cause autism? Probably not. Is there some correlation between vaccination and a rise in autism? Probably. Never shame or feel ashamed someone asking questions, or you asking questions. Never fully give your instincts over and trust a major sector, especially in the medical field of corruption, with your decisions. Always question and research.
Whenever there is excessive social shame towards one side of an argument, there is always a problem that wants to be unseen.
Questions. I, like a lot of people, question the nature of vaccines and what is in them. If you research it, and don't have questions, you are a slave to authority. There have also been several cases that have been opened and closed where families won claiming vaccinations caused major health issues.
There have been basically zero cases of polio, yet you think if a group of people stop taking vaccines, polio is going to come back and destroy the nation? If you took the vaccine, you cannot get it anyways, correct? If you had a child and the nurses told you that have to administer 30 different vaccinations over a 6 month period, would you question it?
Have you even looked at what is in a vaccine? Look at the current vaccination protocol for babies. It's asinine to think that it is healthy for a baby to receive the amount of vaccines they are pushing nowadays.
QUESTION. Are all vaccines terrible and cause autism? Probably not. Is there some correlation between vaccination and a rise in autism? Probably. Never shame or feel ashamed someone asking questions, or you asking questions. Never fully give your instincts over and trust a major sector, especially in the medical field of corruption, with your decisions. Always question and research.
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[QUOTE=DeadlyStriker post_id=1591120381]That's not an argument.
Whenever there is excessive social shame towards one side of an argument, there is always a problem that wants to be unseen.
[b] this is the realest thing you've said on this forum [/b]
Questions. I, like a lot of people, question the nature of vaccines and what is in them. If you research it, and don't have questions, you are a slave to authority. There have also been several cases that have been opened and closed where families won claiming vaccinations caused major health issues.
[b] so have you done research? and yes there has been a very small number of people with adverse reactions to vaccine, just like any medicine. [/b]
There have been basically zero cases of polio,
[b] wonder why? [/b]
yet you think if a group of people stop taking vaccines, polio is going to come back and destroy the nation? If you took the vaccine, you cannot get it anyways, correct? If you had a child and the nurses told you that have to administer 30 different vaccinations over a 6 month period, would you question it?
[b] herd immunity; also being vaccinated doesn't make you 100% immune; if you get directly exposed to it there's still a small chance you can contract it; nurses don't tell you which vaccines the child needs [/b]
Have you even looked at what is in a vaccine? Look at the current vaccination protocol for babies. It's asinine to think that it is healthy for a baby to receive the amount of vaccines they are pushing nowadays.
[b] have YOU looked at what is in the vaccine? [/b]
QUESTION. Are all vaccines terrible and cause autism? Probably not. Is there some correlation between vaccination and a rise in autism? Probably. Never shame or feel ashamed someone asking questions, or you asking questions. Never fully give your instincts over and trust a major sector, especially in the medical field of corruption, with your decisions. Always question and research.
[b] I don't think you understand what research means. Going on google and typing 'do vaccines cause autism' isn't research [b][/QUOTE]in bold
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[b] this is the realest thing you've said on this forum [/b]
Questions. I, like a lot of people, question the nature of vaccines and what is in them. If you research it, and don't have questions, you are a slave to authority. There have also been several cases that have been opened and closed where families won claiming vaccinations caused major health issues.
[b] so have you done research? and yes there has been a very small number of people with adverse reactions to vaccine, just like any medicine. [/b]
There have been basically zero cases of polio,
[b] wonder why? [/b]
yet you think if a group of people stop taking vaccines, polio is going to come back and destroy the nation? If you took the vaccine, you cannot get it anyways, correct? If you had a child and the nurses told you that have to administer 30 different vaccinations over a 6 month period, would you question it?
[b] herd immunity; also being vaccinated doesn't make you 100% immune; if you get directly exposed to it there's still a small chance you can contract it; nurses don't tell you which vaccines the child needs [/b]
Have you even looked at what is in a vaccine? Look at the current vaccination protocol for babies. It's asinine to think that it is healthy for a baby to receive the amount of vaccines they are pushing nowadays.
[b] have YOU looked at what is in the vaccine? [/b]
QUESTION. Are all vaccines terrible and cause autism? Probably not. Is there some correlation between vaccination and a rise in autism? Probably. Never shame or feel ashamed someone asking questions, or you asking questions. Never fully give your instincts over and trust a major sector, especially in the medical field of corruption, with your decisions. Always question and research.
[b] I don't think you understand what research means. Going on google and typing 'do vaccines cause autism' isn't research [b][/QUOTE]in bold
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Originally Posted By Chasbrah⏩
Measles before a vaccine (1963) was deployed was reduced by 60% in 20 years naturally before the vaccine.Why do you suppose the diseases are "going extinct"? Could it have something to do with the fact that they can't get a hold because there are no more host organisms around (ie: humans with naieve immune systems)? As stated, they are not "going extinct" but we just don't suffer from them anymore because we have herd immunity- go to India and see how many of these "extinct" disease are still rife among the population. The "miniscule" chance again comes back to herd immunity- if you have a few nice bodies for the disease to get a hold in, then it can replicate, change, and become more able to infect others (including vaccinated people)- your "one in one-millionth" chance then becomes one in one-hudred thousand, one in one-thousand, .....
As for neurotoxins..... I'd bet your shampoo, food etc all have the same stuff in it. As you say, it's about dose and the doses given in vaccines are miniscule and they're not there to kill off the population or whatever the latest conspiracy has. The scary sounding chemicals are there as as adjuvants- maybe do a bit of reading. People much smarter than you and I (in that field) don't just dream this stuff up and apply it willy-nilly.
Another point to make here while talking about "toxins"- this is a BB forum: how many use supplements? Who knows what's in those? What are the regulations around supplements? (not a lot, they are not classed like medicines). If you've ever used cell-tech and want to argue about toxins in vaccines, you don't have a leg to stand on.
As for neurotoxins..... I'd bet your shampoo, food etc all have the same stuff in it. As you say, it's about dose and the doses given in vaccines are miniscule and they're not there to kill off the population or whatever the latest conspiracy has. The scary sounding chemicals are there as as adjuvants- maybe do a bit of reading. People much smarter than you and I (in that field) don't just dream this stuff up and apply it willy-nilly.
Another point to make here while talking about "toxins"- this is a BB forum: how many use supplements? Who knows what's in those? What are the regulations around supplements? (not a lot, they are not classed like medicines). If you've ever used cell-tech and want to argue about toxins in vaccines, you don't have a leg to stand on.
Pertussis was reduced by 85% in 35 years before the vaccine was introduced in the mid 1940's
Whooping cough was reduced by 97% before a vaccine was introduced in 1950's
Sorry broski, but diseases do naturally die out on their own.
As for neurotoxins, that's fine if you believe that it isn't enough to harm you. However irregardless you are still injecting dangerous chemicals into your blood stream. Also by the fda standards the parts per billion in a shot for mercury is significantly higher (about 25,000 times higher) than the limit that is allowed in drinking water before it's considered toxic.
Reminder this is injecting, which has a lot more bioavailability.
Maybe that's okay and wouldn't do any harm, but it's still considered a risk.
Your basically trading one risk for another. Perhaps no damage is done when you took the shot, but perhaps you would have never got the illness that is practically extinct either.
In my opinion, there is nothing wrong with considering each shot based on probability. If it's extremely likely you'll get a disease, then take the shot. If it's almost impossible, then why expose yourself to the possibility of neurological damage? Just doesn't make sense to me to take it willy nilly without considering all factors.
11-07-2019, 07:16 PM
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Originally Posted By ShadowV⏩
I'm glad you could provide some quantitative data in your post but please, if you're going to do that, can you please back it up with the source you're taking it from so we can all benefit? I'd wager you don't know what you're talking about though cause you're telling me that the vaccine for whooping cough (Bordatella pertussis) was introduced both in the 40's and at the same time, in the 50's.Measles before a vaccine (1963) was deployed was reduced by 60% in 20 years naturally before the vaccine.
Pertussis was reduced by 85% in 35 years before the vaccine was introduced in the mid 1940's
Whooping cough was reduced by 97% before a vaccine was introduced in 1950's
Sorry broski, but diseases do naturally die out on their own.
As for neurotoxins, that's fine if you believe that it isn't enough to harm you. However irregardless you are still injecting dangerous chemicals into your blood stream. Also by the fda standards the parts per billion in a shot for mercury is significantly higher (about 25,000 times higher) than the limit that is allowed in drinking water before it's considered toxic.
Reminder this is injecting, which has a lot more bioavailability.
Maybe that's okay and wouldn't do any harm, but it's still considered a risk.
Your basically trading one risk for another. Perhaps no damage is done when you took the shot, but perhaps you would have never got the illness that is practically extinct either.
In my opinion, there is nothing wrong with considering each shot based on probability. If it's extremely likely you'll get a disease, then take the shot. If it's almost impossible, then why expose yourself to the possibility of neurological damage? Just doesn't make sense to me to take it willy nilly without considering all factors.
Pertussis was reduced by 85% in 35 years before the vaccine was introduced in the mid 1940's
Whooping cough was reduced by 97% before a vaccine was introduced in 1950's
Sorry broski, but diseases do naturally die out on their own.
As for neurotoxins, that's fine if you believe that it isn't enough to harm you. However irregardless you are still injecting dangerous chemicals into your blood stream. Also by the fda standards the parts per billion in a shot for mercury is significantly higher (about 25,000 times higher) than the limit that is allowed in drinking water before it's considered toxic.
Reminder this is injecting, which has a lot more bioavailability.
Maybe that's okay and wouldn't do any harm, but it's still considered a risk.
Your basically trading one risk for another. Perhaps no damage is done when you took the shot, but perhaps you would have never got the illness that is practically extinct either.
In my opinion, there is nothing wrong with considering each shot based on probability. If it's extremely likely you'll get a disease, then take the shot. If it's almost impossible, then why expose yourself to the possibility of neurological damage? Just doesn't make sense to me to take it willy nilly without considering all factors.
While on the topic of pertussis, please also tell me more about how it's "become extinct". You seem to have flown right by my point that the reason diseases have so-called "become extinct" in first-world countries is due to vaccination rates. As another poster said, these diseases are far from extinct in the third world. Pertussis rates have declined with vaccination but now with antivax on the rise, kids are increasingly dying from it again here in Australia and suprise- it's in the areas of the country with low vaccination rates due to high antivax uptake.
As for the neurotoxin fear, you didn't address the fact that you likely ingest these same toxins in higher amounts in your foods, supplements etc and additionally, millions of people have had vaccines with no ill effects. As several more enlightened posters have said, correlation =! causation, otherwise, hell, I'd say that vaccination rates and obesity may also be linked!
I'm not quite sure where you're getting the mercury information from either- it's rarely used anymore and where used, it's in extremely low doses (not sure about your 25k x higher figure you quote, the below study showed that where found, it was less than 10 ppb- lower than any exposure limit). As I said before, you need to look at why these things are used and the doses they are used in- they increase the efficacy of the vaccine and the levels are proven to be safe.
Austin DW, Shandley KA, Palombo EA. Mercury in vaccines from the Australian
childhood immunization program schedule. J Toxicol Environ Health A.
2010;73(10):637-40. doi: 10.1080/15287391003613994. PubMed PMID: 20391108
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20391108
As I hinted at with the post about the dog (and contrary to your assertion of "injecting dangerous chemicals into your bloodstream"), vaccines you get at the doctor are NOT given intravenously, they are given intramuscularly or orally. Being a bodybuilding forum, I thought we'd know the difference between IV and IM but I guess they have outlawed talk of orange juice here.
Some actual information on the ingredients of vaccines you should probably read and have a think about (inb4 the sources are part of the conspiracy, invoking amendments from the US constitution):
https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vac-gen/additives.htm
http://vk.ovg.ox.ac.uk/vk/vaccine-ingredients
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Originally Posted By DeadlyStriker⏩
Truthfully, there are some things that we do not need to question. Can we? Sure. Is it always worth it? Sometimes.That's not an argument.
Whenever there is excessive social shame towards one side of an argument, there is always a problem that wants to be unseen.
Questions. I, like a lot of people, question the nature of vaccines and what is in them. If you research it, and don't have questions, you are a slave to authority. There have also been several cases that have been opened and closed where families won claiming vaccinations caused major health issues.
There have been basically zero cases of polio, yet you think if a group of people stop taking vaccines, polio is going to come back and destroy the nation? If you took the vaccine, you cannot get it anyways, correct? If you had a child and the nurses told you that have to administer 30 different vaccinations over a 6 month period, would you question it?
Have you even looked at what is in a vaccine? Look at the current vaccination protocol for babies. It's asinine to think that it is healthy for a baby to receive the amount of vaccines they are pushing nowadays.
QUESTION. Are all vaccines terrible and cause autism? Probably not. Is there some correlation between vaccination and a rise in autism? Probably. Never shame or feel ashamed someone asking questions, or you asking questions. Never fully give your instincts over and trust a major sector, especially in the medical field of corruption, with your decisions. Always question and research.
Whenever there is excessive social shame towards one side of an argument, there is always a problem that wants to be unseen.
Questions. I, like a lot of people, question the nature of vaccines and what is in them. If you research it, and don't have questions, you are a slave to authority. There have also been several cases that have been opened and closed where families won claiming vaccinations caused major health issues.
There have been basically zero cases of polio, yet you think if a group of people stop taking vaccines, polio is going to come back and destroy the nation? If you took the vaccine, you cannot get it anyways, correct? If you had a child and the nurses told you that have to administer 30 different vaccinations over a 6 month period, would you question it?
Have you even looked at what is in a vaccine? Look at the current vaccination protocol for babies. It's asinine to think that it is healthy for a baby to receive the amount of vaccines they are pushing nowadays.
QUESTION. Are all vaccines terrible and cause autism? Probably not. Is there some correlation between vaccination and a rise in autism? Probably. Never shame or feel ashamed someone asking questions, or you asking questions. Never fully give your instincts over and trust a major sector, especially in the medical field of corruption, with your decisions. Always question and research.
The sun will rise tomorrow. Do we need to sit and research that? I hope not.
The Earth is round. We had proven this hundreds of years ago, with far less technology than we do now. Do we need to try to prove this again? If so, I direct you to the Flat Earther who funded a whole study to prove the Earth was flat... And found it to be round.
But vaccines. Well, vaccines are an interesting one. Because there is a part of me that can understand the questioning of a relatively new technology. However, I must also point out that said new technology has proven itself for the benefit of the population.
In my state, we had a recent outbreak of measles that had spread as a result of unvaccinated persons. Specifically, it had come from overseas, and was returned to us via an infected carrier who had been exposed outside of the country. This person was not vaccinated. It spread toother unvaccinated personswho then spread it furtherto more unvaccinated persons. Nobody who had been vaccinated was affected.
The community affected most was the Hasidic community of NY. Some persons who were unvaccinated and not involved in the Hasidic community were exposed and did catch measles. But the small microcosm of the Hasidic community affected was evidence enough of the benefit of vaccines. I followed this for months after news broke. It's still on-going. It's less news-worthy now, however.
The truth is that not taking a vaccine will likely only harm you, and those who are also unvaccinated.
11-07-2019, 07:34 PM
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This thread gave me autism.
Thanks, I'll stick to the disease preventing shots over internet science.
Thanks, I'll stick to the disease preventing shots over internet science.
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Originally Posted By redraider86⏩
Wait...I really don't care, that's a whole lot of vague questions that I'm not interested in answering. What I can say is that I'm one of those immunocompromised people and I deal with the consequences of those selfish kunts who don't vaccinate seemingly every month. Most recently I returned from a business trip and a week later got to use a vacation day to deal with measles exposure through the airport. I'm tired of stupid conspiracy minded fuks derailing my life because they watched a YouTube video.
So you say you have a weak immune system and then go on to blame other people for you getting sick?
The billionaire and the beggar both have 24 hours in a day.
That's why grandma's apple pie rocks and yours sucks.Originally Posted By Dave22reborn^^^Racist police officer who also cries about how racism doesn't exist, also cries reverse racism and typifies the stupidity of the racist right, referring to black people as "they" and regurgitating racist stereotypes.At least it will thunderstorm tonight, and we know how they feel about water. :)
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Originally Posted By TypeNirvash⏩
Not that it's worth much but, "you have given out too much reputation"......Truthfully, there are some things that we do not need to question. Can we? Sure. Is it always worth it? Sometimes.
The sun will rise tomorrow. Do we need to sit and research that? I hope not.
The Earth is round. We had proven this hundreds of years ago, with far less technology than we do now. Do we need to try to prove this again? If so, I direct you to the Flat Earther who funded a whole study to prove the Earth was flat... And found it to be round.
But vaccines. Well, vaccines are an interesting one. Because there is a part of me that can understand the questioning of a relatively new technology. However, I must also point out that said new technology has proven itself for the benefit of the population.
In my state, we had a recent outbreak of measles that had spread as a result of unvaccinated persons. Specifically, it had come from overseas, and was returned to us via an infected carrier who had been exposed outside of the country. This person was not vaccinated. It spread toother unvaccinated personswho then spread it furtherto more unvaccinated persons. Nobody who had been vaccinated was affected.
The community affected most was the Hasidic community of NY. Some persons who were unvaccinated and not involved in the Hasidic community were exposed and did catch measles. But the small microcosm of the Hasidic community affected was evidence enough of the benefit of vaccines. I followed this for months after news broke. It's still on-going. It's less news-worthy now, however.
The truth is that not taking a vaccine will likely only harm you, and those who are also unvaccinated.
The sun will rise tomorrow. Do we need to sit and research that? I hope not.
The Earth is round. We had proven this hundreds of years ago, with far less technology than we do now. Do we need to try to prove this again? If so, I direct you to the Flat Earther who funded a whole study to prove the Earth was flat... And found it to be round.
But vaccines. Well, vaccines are an interesting one. Because there is a part of me that can understand the questioning of a relatively new technology. However, I must also point out that said new technology has proven itself for the benefit of the population.
In my state, we had a recent outbreak of measles that had spread as a result of unvaccinated persons. Specifically, it had come from overseas, and was returned to us via an infected carrier who had been exposed outside of the country. This person was not vaccinated. It spread toother unvaccinated personswho then spread it furtherto more unvaccinated persons. Nobody who had been vaccinated was affected.
The community affected most was the Hasidic community of NY. Some persons who were unvaccinated and not involved in the Hasidic community were exposed and did catch measles. But the small microcosm of the Hasidic community affected was evidence enough of the benefit of vaccines. I followed this for months after news broke. It's still on-going. It's less news-worthy now, however.
The truth is that not taking a vaccine will likely only harm you, and those who are also unvaccinated.
Thank god there is still some collective intelligence left on the misc- these type of threads are a good yardstick.
I'm waiting for the misc MDs to weigh in.
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Originally Posted By DeadlyStriker⏩
You've been pretty liberally shat on by a lot of others in this thread, and rightfully so. But what you've described about the polio vaccine is actually fuccn true for smallpox in the US - we stopped giving the vaccines in 1970s because it was effectively eradicated by vaccination - LOL. Yes we beat a fuccn morbid disease with vaccination. And yes, we do vaccinate for polio since it is quite common to other regions of the world. Air travel is a thing and that sh*t could spread like wildfire.That's not an argument.
Whenever there is excessive social shame towards one side of an argument, there is always a problem that wants to be unseen.
Questions. I, like a lot of people, question the nature of vaccines and what is in them. If you research it, and don't have questions, you are a slave to authority. There have also been several cases that have been opened and closed where families won claiming vaccinations caused major health issues.
There have been basically zero cases of polio, yet you think if a group of people stop taking vaccines, polio is going to come back and destroy the nation? If you took the vaccine, you cannot get it anyways, correct? If you had a child and the nurses told you that have to administer 30 different vaccinations over a 6 month period, would you question it?
Have you even looked at what is in a vaccine? Look at the current vaccination protocol for babies. It's asinine to think that it is healthy for a baby to receive the amount of vaccines they are pushing nowadays.
QUESTION. Are all vaccines terrible and cause autism? Probably not. Is there some correlation between vaccination and a rise in autism? Probably. Never shame or feel ashamed someone asking questions, or you asking questions. Never fully give your instincts over and trust a major sector, especially in the medical field of corruption, with your decisions. Always question and research.
Whenever there is excessive social shame towards one side of an argument, there is always a problem that wants to be unseen.
Questions. I, like a lot of people, question the nature of vaccines and what is in them. If you research it, and don't have questions, you are a slave to authority. There have also been several cases that have been opened and closed where families won claiming vaccinations caused major health issues.
There have been basically zero cases of polio, yet you think if a group of people stop taking vaccines, polio is going to come back and destroy the nation? If you took the vaccine, you cannot get it anyways, correct? If you had a child and the nurses told you that have to administer 30 different vaccinations over a 6 month period, would you question it?
Have you even looked at what is in a vaccine? Look at the current vaccination protocol for babies. It's asinine to think that it is healthy for a baby to receive the amount of vaccines they are pushing nowadays.
QUESTION. Are all vaccines terrible and cause autism? Probably not. Is there some correlation between vaccination and a rise in autism? Probably. Never shame or feel ashamed someone asking questions, or you asking questions. Never fully give your instincts over and trust a major sector, especially in the medical field of corruption, with your decisions. Always question and research.
Also, shame on anti-vaxxers for putting old people, young children, HIV/AIDS patients, and otherwise immunocompromised folks at risk for disease. These groups aren't as protected by the vaccine, and with more dumbasses not getting vaxxed, they get put at a higher risk for contracting measles cause little Aiden, Jaden, and Braden can't get the vaccine.
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Side note, just cause I think it's interesting: Airborne viruses can only get you through your nasal passage.
I learned that on Shark Tank.
Guy had these things you put over your nose, kinda looked those little circular band-aids.
Got a ton of money from I believe Kevin O'Leary.
Now go die.
I learned that on Shark Tank.
Guy had these things you put over your nose, kinda looked those little circular band-aids.
Got a ton of money from I believe Kevin O'Leary.
Now go die.
The billionaire and the beggar both have 24 hours in a day.
That's why grandma's apple pie rocks and yours sucks.Originally Posted By Dave22reborn^^^Racist police officer who also cries about how racism doesn't exist, also cries reverse racism and typifies the stupidity of the racist right, referring to black people as "they" and regurgitating racist stereotypes.At least it will thunderstorm tonight, and we know how they feel about water. :)
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Originally Posted By MBisonSon⏩
No WK and I dunno what the basis of RR's problem is but please, think a little harder..... When a baby, a cancer patient, or an elderly person gets deathly sick from a common cold, do you blame them for being young, old or suffering cancer?Wait...
So you say you have a weak immune system and then go on to blame other people for you getting sick?
So you say you have a weak immune system and then go on to blame other people for you getting sick?
There are many reasons for immunosuppression and vaccination is one way that we can minimise the risk to those who are vulnerable. They usually limit their exposure as much as possible but when you've got to work, shop, etc, there is only so much you can do.....
I'm not sure how many times herd immunity needs to be mentioned ITT.
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