The truth is people just don't know for certain because they're too dumb to grasp the science behind it or too lazy to learn to interpret the data in order to form an opinion, so they have to rely on the general consensus of the media, their peers, etc. to influence their decision whether to vaccinate or not.

On a side note, I don't know anyone who has ever had smallpox, and neither do you probably, so we really don't even know how bad it is having it (or if it's even that bad).

I'm personally anti-vaccine, but only because I'm so pro-smallpox.

Thank god there is some self-reflection on either side of the argument- I agree entirely that people are either too dumb or lazy.... despite having the internet at our fingertips, we can't know (or understand) everything. If you got charged by the police with a serious offence, would you use google to form your defence and represent yourself in court? Similarly, if you were at risk of a potentially deadly illness, would you use google and your own judgement to defend yourself against it?..... or would you take the advice of a lawyer/doctor/other suitably qualified and experienced expert?

I'm not sure I quite get your point with smallpox. Yes it was eradicated but there is still the threat of it being used as a biological weapon. I can't say I've ever known any one with smallpox but hey, what's a bit of disfiguring scarring, right (nevermind the other slightly more severe complications...)? On top of all this, vaccination is for many other disease that have not been eradicated and are still very prevalent and making a resurgence in the first-world today.



An Italian female smallpox patient whose skin displayed the characteristics of late-stage confluent maculopapular scarring, 1965.
Credit: Wikimedia


A child with smallpox in Bangladesh in 1973. The bumps filled with thick fluid and a depression or dimple in the center are characteristic.
Credit: Wikimedia

vaccines are definitely sketchy, not all are bad, but pumping that much chit on kids i wouldn't be okay with either if i were a father, of course, i have done almost 0 research into this, but it goes without saying, even Ben Carson suggested they might be giving too many doses to children back in 2016 and he IQ mogs anyone in this forum.

^^ We are 100% on the same page.

Wow. What a ****ing retard. Really hope you are trolling.

Ooooooh the ironing...

Before you become a father, ask yourself if you're ok with seeing your kid die from whooping cough or suffer brain damage or death from measles. These things are happening in countries like Australia and America again- by the time the parents realise they might've fukkd up with their pseudointellectual superiority, it's too late.

Ben Carson is one man (not a collective body of knowledge), being able to chop out parts of peoples brain and play politics is no easy task, but it's far removed from immunology and infectious disease. He'd know little more than the average MD on the topic of vaccines. You wouldn't ask a nuclear physicist to treat your brain cancer but he also has a high IQ (probably higher than Carson and many MDs)- experience and specialist knowledge is what counts.....

Where do they make people like this? How do you achieve these levels of stupidity?

Nothing wrong with the old standard vaccination but they do seem to have added a bunch now which strikes me as a bit odd.

I dont get flu shots because I dont trust them. Think about it, how is it we have a flu season? Like a football or basketball season. That tells me it is somehow scheduled to start and end at a certain time.

If the disease is that terrible, people would get it year round?

Never get any shots crew

Watch everyone else around me get sick crew

u mad?

But the government wants to read their memories and control their minds! What's a little case of the mumps, man. You a sheeple?

Lol strong argument.

I don't think most of you even understood what I was saying. I like how so many immediately point to intelligence or idiocy when someone asks questions about something they also probably know nothing about. Imagine not asking questions about climate change, the reasons for fighting wars, etc. You don't think science is manipulated? You think vaccination is purely because of health reasons and there isn't any monetary gain from it? Strong knowledge of the medical field. Go and ask an older doctor in the game about medical companies and pushing medications for profit. Why do you think everyone is on pills nowadays?

My entire point was asking questions as to why and for what. Not in any post did I suggest I was "anti-vax." I'm pro vaccination, hence why I am vaccinated and will vaccinate my child. However, I am going to question why suddenly there is an increase in vaccinations for children. I want to know exactly what they are putting in and why. There has objectively been issues with vaccinations and children, hence the lawsuits, so I want to be as careful as possible as a parent. People have continuously been linking increased vaccination protocol with a rise in autism. Obviously I am going to look into. It make be complete and utter bull****. It could be caused by the use of Tylenol as a baby, which I have also heard. I'm going to look into though, no matter the outcome.

Here's a recommended vaccination chart for babies and toddlers.
https://my.clevelandclinic.org/healt...ation-schedule

That's a lot. I also want to make sure it is spread out long enough because that is a lot for a baby to handle. Also before you hit me with the "They know what they're doing," 225k deaths a year are from medical malpractice. Things happen.

But keep just injecting anything and everything they push onto your child without any questioning. Some may even be unnecessary. Funny how I did not have such a rigorous vaccination protocol as a child, yet have not had any issues that align with their continuous additions to it.

Here's an article that talks about the other side of the argument of the ingredients in vaccines.
https://childrenshealthdefense.org/n...n-the-details/

I had a professor tell me something profound in college that I stick to even until today. "If you want to have an opinion on something, you have to know in depth both sides of the argument. Otherwise your opinion means nothing." I find it funny how emotional people get on particular topics that may insult your ego. "It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it." -Aristotle. Maybe some of you should try that method of thinking. But keep social shaming people that don't immediately agree with what you have been told by authority for your entire life. I mean, authority never lies, right!?

Sorry to hear brotha... FUK!

I ride it out too old wise OWL! respect as it should be coming when your playing it forward

Ok. The thing is that there is no substantial evidence of vaccinations causing autism. The infamous paper by Andrew Wakefield, who lost his medical licence because of it, was redacted. It was that paper that started the whole theory and since then nutjobs in the US have latched onto the idea that other vaccines besides MMR can cause autism.

I say this as someone who works in a research background as an epidemiologist in the UK, so I'm pretty comfortable with the science behind vaccinations... Whenever I see people say that others need to be open minded about contrary evidence I just see them spout rubbish articles which aren't even peer-reviewed papers. When you then point this out to them they suggest that the entire academic and scientific world is in on some elaborate international conspiracy theory. It's the exact same logic which climate change deniers use. They think it's more plausible that there is a global conspiracy than it is they might be wrong and that scientific experts from around the world are right. If that's not ego then I don't know what is.

Come on man, you can do better than this. You seem like an enlightened poster and have some great stuff to say around male image, life experience, and others but on this topic, you're making yourself seem foolish- perhaps we don't understand whatever it is you're trying to say.Not everywhere in the world has the same fukked up medical system as the USA. Contrary to popular belief, doctors in other countries do not get paid kick-backs or whatever from "big pharma".
I semi-agree on there being a pill for everything these days and perhaps we've pathologised the human experience but how far do you take this argument? A man of your age would be near his life expectancy were it a few hundred years ago, so is the pills and medical interventions you've received going too far? (not a question.... something to think about)You're not that old- I'd wager that the vaccine schedule you were immunised under during the 1980's in USA was near identical to that which you've posted (see below), the reason you haven't had anything happen was likely because you and those around you were vaccinated according to the schedule you posted (be it at the time or by catch-up: eg. Hepatitis B).

Vaccine History: Developments by Year- Children's Hospital of Philadelphia
https://www.chop.edu/centers-program...pments-by-year


As to the medical malpractice, what do you think that 225k figure is comprised of? How many were bogus lawsuits by people out to get money (again, USA, land of litigation)? More importantly, how many were legitimate cases with provable adverse outcomes due to vaccination? (I'd say very few if any- the majority would be regarding individual practitioners' treatment decisions around diseases/medical conditions, surgical outcomes etc, not the decision to vaccinate millions of kids safely every year).

You make claims of components of vaccine schedules being "unecessary" and "a lot for a baby to handle".... says who and on what basis? The evidence and simple observation of babies and population around you who are doing just fine would prove this as a non-argument.This is not an article, but a conspiracy website run by Robert Kennedy Jr full of unbased claims. Even his own family have denounced this activity of his and again, it all goes back to that flawed, retracted n=12 study by Wakefield that everyone likes to cling to. I provided links from actual sources regarding vaccine ingredients in an earlier post you may like to read.I'm all for questioning authority and yes, you don't always need evidence to do so (WMD in Iraq??). However, there is overwhelming evidence as to vaccine efficacy and very little evidence to support claims of harm. As I've said earlier, rely on a knowledge base rather than a single knowledge source (like Mr Carson, Mr Kennedy, or Mr Wakefield).

Perhaps in Australia there is less overall mercury , but in united states it's still between 25-50 micro grams which is about 50,000 ppb at 50 mg. The limit in drinking water its 2 parts per billion.

simple math 50,000 / 2 = 25,000 times higher than the water limit before considered toxicity.


As for whooping cough/ pertussis dying over time






As for the date in regards to whooping cough/ pertussis in regards to vaccines.

1930s was when it was first developed, but it wasn't in public use.
It was then in public use in the 1940's,
It finally became used in widespread immunization during the 1950's with vaccination campaigns

Irregardless of those dates, you can see in the chart that before the 1940's there was a severe decline naturally in whooping cough.





Here's for England



Now before you say that clearly the vaccine helped a lot, I don't disagree with you there.
My point is that diseases do relatively die out on their own over time. Therefore some diseases that vaccines are used to treat may not be necessary anymore as the likelihood of getting said disease is extremely low even without vaccine.
If I was in the 1950's I probably would get a vaccine due to the probability, but by 2020, the chances of you getting the disease is probably significantly unlikely without the vaccine.



Some more evidence that diseases die out from before vaccine's by the american public health journal.





As for this part, yes you are right there is toxin's everywhere. The difference is

- I'm not injecting food and supplements into my bloodstream nor my muscles. Every chemical you inject into your bloodstream or muscles has an extreme amount of extra bio-availability and bypasses your natural digestive system process.

- Lot of the supplements and foods and items can have toxic substances, I agree , but neurotoxins are a different beast.


Also, here's something to pick your mind about. The reason why I would want to avoid the neurotoxins is because the government informed me that these toxic chemicals are bad for me.
So why would I willy nilly inject something into my blood that they themselves told me I shouldn't mess with and is very dangerous?


As for millions of people not having ill effects from vaccines... It's again based on probability. If let's say there's 1/25,000th of a chance the neurotoxin will **** you up, but only a 1/50,000th of a chance that you'll get the disease. Which will you choose?

Here's the thing to consider as well. Neurological damage is usually permanent, and can be very subtle. Diseases and illness can kill you, but if you survive then it's something that can be recovered, non permanent.

Ben Carson is a phucking creationist and doesn't believe in the big bang. I wouldn't trust anything that fool says in regards to science.

Id really like to see the argument of vaccers who support abortion because "My body, my choice"

That's a lot of meaningless waffle for a dude who is still yet to present any evidence for how vaccines harm people or cause autism.

You keep talking about how you are very smart and research things instead of just being a mindless sheep. So show us the research, brah?

What in the name of **** does that have to do with anything?

No one is flatly forced to get vaccinated in the US. Kids have to vaccinated if they want to attend public school, exactly as it should be. There are even religious exemptions for this which absolutely should not exist.

Doctors are allowed to give 5 ME's each per annum or else they will be reviewed by the state for potentially giving exemptions fraudulently... In which case they lose their medical license. This means very few doctors are going to give out exemptions so while on paper you are correct the reality is that medical exemptions are not a real option for most kids who need them. Get your facts straight.

And yet you're happy to pay a hefty portion of your income to the government so that they can bail out Wall Street bankers who derail the economy, pay for the mass incarceration of black and brown people, and drop bombs all over countries killing innocent civilians constantly.

And yet you're pissed that a small percentage of the population doesn't want to inject crap into the veins of their children. Yes these people are the real problem you should focus on not the aforementioned issues.


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Um....you can get it year round?

I can tell you were vaccinated.

You realize he has like zero say himself on where his tax money goes or where they drop bombs right? I mean the Pres doesn't actually call him and say "My man, shant we bomb thy village today?"

Not sure where you pulled these numbers from and I doubt the vaccines in the US are much different (if not made in the same labs) than those in a country like Australia. Besides that, you've conveniently avoided the point of the research I provided which backs up that mercury is not contained in vaccines anymore and in the one they found it in, it was at acceptable levels.

As to the rest of the evidence you provide, you fail to provide any source, but for some reason, we're only discussing epidemiological data from the late 19th century and early 20th century??

Some reverse google searches reveal your sources: The survival curves that apparently show a 100% decrease in Pertussis (yet we still have many cases of pertussis today?) are from a conspiracy blog, a personal blog, and another site called "vaccine liberation".... I'm hardly surprised you only provided the graphs and not the dubious sources you took them from:

https://ulogs.org/@yagoub/did-vaccin...e-the-diseases
http://www.insightbydesign.biz/?p=414
http://ww.vaclib.org/

You've taken a little bit of knowledge, some conspiracy theories from blog/opinion sites (how you found them I'm not even sure), big words, and some dramatic language for good effect- You do not get "extreme bioavailability" from injecting- you get 100% bioavailability (look up the definition). You may also be surprised to learn some things end up at higher concentrations in your body when you take them in orally.

This all doesn't show much other than you're either willfully ignorant, pushing an agenda of which you're unwilling to see the other side, or just plain foolish so there isn't much point arguing anything further.

Forget the mountains of actual peer-reviewed evidence compiled by thousands of researchers all over the world- that's too hard to take in and they must all be out to get us. If you have the ability, I suggest you volunteer in a children's hospital for a few months. That way you can see first-hand the effects of some of these diseases and the result of pseudointellectual analysis and conspiracy theorism when people's children get vaccine preventable illnesses like measles (yes, it can cause neurological damage and it is permanent). Lots of other great things happen there too when people try to treat things like cancer with their MD they got from google.....

Tell that to the people who got syphilis during the Tuskegee Experiment, OP you fking retarded reddit dipsht.

Abortion affects no one else besides the mother and child.

Not getting a vaccination affects the entire human population.

dumbass.

VACCINES DID NOT CAUSE YOUR AUTISM OP. Antivaxers are the scum of the Earth.