Log In

Your email is not your username

Register

If you were a member of the old Bodybuilding.com forums and would like to reuse your previous username, you can request it below. We use your email only for registration and do not store it. For more information, please see our Privacy Policy.

Confirm your email

A registration code was sent to your email. Enter it here.

Welcome

You have successfully setup your account.

Sign in

Quick Navigation Bottom Misc
Forum » Mind = Blown that so many people waste their time with standing OHP
  1. Results 121 to 150 of 257
  2. Page 5 of 9
  3. First
  5. 3
  6. 4
  7. 5
  8. 6
  9. 7
  11. Last

Thread: Mind = Blown that so many people waste their time with standing OHP

post 1592075731 11-21-2019, 08:34 PM
-
#121
  1. garthismad
  2. Banned
  1. garthismad
  2. Banned
  3. Join Date: Sep 2015
  4. Posts: 9,935
  5. Rep Power: 0
I ****ing lol at everyone itt. I made the only post that matters saying op is doing incline bench.

I'll stick with my routine, just check my avi then yours. Ok think I'm good. Just pm beg and rep for my routine. Maybe I'll give it to ya
post 1592077761 11-21-2019, 09:14 PM
-
#122
  1. Brandonrhyse
  2. Registered User
  1. Brandonrhyse
  2. Registered User
  3. Join Date: Oct 2017
  4. Age: 56
  5. Posts: 808
  6. Rep Power: 3244
Originally Posted By garthismad⏩
I ****ing lol at everyone itt. I made the only post that matters saying op is doing incline bench.

I'll stick with my routine, just check my avi then yours. Ok think I'm good. Just pm beg and rep for my routine. Maybe I'll give it to ya
Is this a copy pasta? Cause judging soley by the avi, Op's physique looks way better
post 1592078211 11-21-2019, 09:25 PM
-
#123
  1. Kev1972
  2. Registered User
  1. Kev1972
  2. Registered User
  3. Join Date: Jun 2013
  4. Location: Big Arm, Montana, United States
  5. Posts: 49,924
  6. Rep Power: 287644
Originally Posted By smsg112⏩
How does a full body movement always beat an isolated movement? As I pointed out with the other poster, how can one exercise 'beat' another? How is it beating it? When it comes to building mass? Gaining strength? Improving stability? Context matters here guys.
when they are the same exact movement but one is engaging your entire body and the other is only engaging your shoulders and triceps? I think that's pretty self explanatory.

Just doing the clean and press to get the bar up in the first place is engaging your whole body. Much more so than pressing it off the pins.

Sure if you have 4 hours to work out and want to isolate every bodypart go ahead. If like most people you only want to spend an hour in the gym you want to stick to the compound movements whenever possible.
Motorcycle crew
Army veteran crew
One Meal a day crew
post 1592079251 11-21-2019, 09:51 PM
-
#124
  1. WaittWhatt
  2. Sup?
  1. WaittWhatt
  2. Sup?
  3. Join Date: Mar 2011
  4. Location: United States
  5. Posts: 3,519
  6. Rep Power: 1641
Lookit here we got a know it all.

No one gives a fuk about your seated OHP whatever the fuk you did in that vid *******.

Good luck with your autist goals in 2020 puzzy
post 1592079641 11-21-2019, 10:03 PM
-
#125
  1. irmocool
  2. oderint dum metuant
  1. irmocool
  2. oderint dum metuant
  3. Join Date: Jul 2008
  4. Posts: 10,673
  5. Rep Power: 43294
OP sounds arrogant azz phuck. Trying to hard to be the new Bobby D, srs
Why lift when it's all about the jawline ©
post 1592079671 11-21-2019, 10:03 PM
-
#126
  1. jakobi
  2. Registered User
  1. jakobi
  2. Registered User
  3. Join Date: May 2004
  4. Location: vancouver, bc, Canada
  5. Posts: 11,150
  6. Rep Power: 15196
guys with big shoulders at my gym don't even do standing OHP....they stick with seated db shoulder presses
post 1592079751 11-21-2019, 10:05 PM
-
#127
  1. jakobi
  2. Registered User
  1. jakobi
  2. Registered User
  3. Join Date: May 2004
  4. Location: vancouver, bc, Canada
  5. Posts: 11,150
  6. Rep Power: 15196
Originally Posted By irmocool⏩
OP sounds arrogant azz phuck. Trying to hard to be the new Bobby D, srs
he's right.... show us your big shoulders, otherwise just STFU
post 1592079901 11-21-2019, 10:13 PM
-
#128
  1. irmocool
  2. oderint dum metuant
  1. irmocool
  2. oderint dum metuant
  3. Join Date: Jul 2008
  4. Posts: 10,673
  5. Rep Power: 43294
Originally Posted By jakobi⏩
he's right.... show us your big shoulders, otherwise just STFU
Negged, you should suck his dink a lil more bb
Why lift when it's all about the jawline ©
post 1592080431 11-21-2019, 10:34 PM
-
#129
  1. northernlights7
  2. Banned
  1. northernlights7
  2. Banned
  3. Join Date: Jun 2013
  4. Posts: 24,527
  5. Rep Power: 24
Originally Posted By iwannagethench⏩
It's literally the GOAT, you can't cheat that chit. Either you got it or you don't.
False. Standing OHP is actually one of the easiest lifts to cheat on if you know what you're doing and are into ego lifting nonsense. In fact, it was removed from the Olympics back in 1970's because judges couldn't agree on whether lifters should be allowed to do things like bend their backs slightly as they did it. People got too good at subtly using their backs and/or leg drive on the lift. A true standing OHP would involve absolutely zero leg drive or back bending to assist the shoulders in moving the weight.

But that's not how almost anyone actually does the lift. There's a reason you see a handful of guys on this forum with silly numbers like 350 lb "OHP" and while they are certain strong af, they're not doing it as a 100% strict movement. And neither are 95% of people you'll ever see doing them in any given gym.

As far as "functional" strength goes, I would say that if you plan on doing a lot of movements involving lifting things directly above your head, then sure, it's highly "functional". But barring being in comps for shoulder pressing or something, I'd argue that a variation like seated DB presses is superior to standing BB OHP in almost every way.
post 1592080891 11-21-2019, 10:49 PM
-
#130
  1. sandman2019
  2. Banned
  1. sandman2019
  2. Banned
  3. Join Date: Jul 2019
  4. Age: 56
  5. Posts: 4,990
  6. Rep Power: 0
How is there a 5 page thread about OHP
post 1592081191 11-21-2019, 10:56 PM
-
#131
  1. Mmjk1500
  2. In Hoc Signo Vinces
  1. Mmjk1500
  2. In Hoc Signo Vinces
  3. Join Date: May 2018
  4. Posts: 3,320
  5. Rep Power: 29920
Originally Posted By sandman2019⏩
How is there a 5 page thread about OHP
"click bait" and forced arguments. This thread was never really about OHP.
We are all self made but only the successful will admit it. -Earl Nightingale
post 1592081271 11-21-2019, 10:58 PM
-
#132
  1. armies
  2. Banned
  1. armies
  2. Banned
  3. Join Date: Feb 2019
  4. Age: 56
  5. Posts: 3,322
  6. Rep Power: 0
Interesting thread. I personally stay away from OHP because they hurt my lower back, and not in a good way, I do seated dumbell presses for shoulders. The 3 exercises that I care about the most are the bench press, the squat, and the deadlift. My overall development and proportions are so important to me, I've always been a big delts/small chest kind of guy, so I have to be careful since my delts and arms tend to be extra big naturally. Rn my proportions are very good
post 1592081311 11-21-2019, 10:59 PM
-
#133
  1. BenMcLeodNZ
  2. Kiwi Battler
  1. BenMcLeodNZ
  2. Kiwi Battler
  3. Join Date: Jul 2015
  4. Posts: 3,961
  5. Rep Power: 13927
The best way to do OHP is to do side raises to failure then immediately jump to OHP. Almost no-one does it because it's too hard and you need to halve the weight.
post 1592081371 11-21-2019, 11:00 PM
-
#134
  1. ChangeOfStyle
  2. Registered User
  1. ChangeOfStyle
  2. Registered User
  3. Join Date: Jul 2013
  4. Location: Sydney, NSW, Australia
  5. Age: 30
  6. Posts: 11,293
  7. Rep Power: 85259
For everyone who is actually doing standing OHP, do you go below your actual chin level to touch your front delts or do you just stop as you reach your chin and then push it back up to its starting position. I feel like it differs sometimes especially when you go much more heavier then you're used to. Is it a major difference to stop at chin level then go all the way down to your front delts or is the tension still mostly on the shoulders?
if you need someone to chat with, don't hesitate to shoot me a PM.
post 1592081381 11-21-2019, 11:00 PM
-
#135
  1. armies
  2. Banned
  1. armies
  2. Banned
  3. Join Date: Feb 2019
  4. Age: 56
  5. Posts: 3,322
  6. Rep Power: 0
Originally Posted By irmocool⏩
OP sounds arrogant azz phuck. Trying to hard to be the new Bobby D, srs
Lmfao! yeah he's always been kind of a dick, idk why though
post 1592081681 11-21-2019, 11:09 PM
-
#136
  1. Kev1972
  2. Registered User
  1. Kev1972
  2. Registered User
  3. Join Date: Jun 2013
  4. Location: Big Arm, Montana, United States
  5. Posts: 49,924
  6. Rep Power: 287644
Originally Posted By northernlights7⏩
False. Standing OHP is actually one of the easiest lifts to cheat on if you know what you're doing and are into ego lifting nonsense. In fact, it was removed from the Olympics back in 1970's because judges couldn't agree on whether lifters should be allowed to do things like bend their backs slightly as they did it. People got too good at subtly using their backs and/or leg drive on the lift. A true standing OHP would involve absolutely zero leg drive or back bending to assist the shoulders in moving the weight.

But that's not how almost anyone actually does the lift. There's a reason you see a handful of guys on this forum with silly numbers like 350 lb "OHP" and while they are certain strong af, they're not doing it as a 100% strict movement. And neither are 95% of people you'll ever see doing them in any given gym.

As far as "functional" strength goes, I would say that if you plan on doing a lot of movements involving lifting things directly above your head, then sure, it's highly "functional". But barring being in comps for shoulder pressing or something, I'd argue that a variation like seated DB presses is superior to standing BB OHP in almost every way.
Doesn't matter if you cheat or not if you are going to failure. It's actually better that you can cheat because even after failure you can get the weight up and do some negatives. We aren't going for competition 1rm here genius.
Motorcycle crew
Army veteran crew
One Meal a day crew
post 1592081811 11-21-2019, 11:14 PM
-
#137
  1. TsubasaKen
  2. Banned
  1. TsubasaKen
  2. Banned
  3. Join Date: Nov 2019
  4. Age: 56
  5. Posts: 360
  6. Rep Power: 1566
Originally Posted By sandman2019⏩
How is there a 5 page thread about OHP
Because OP is even douchier than prime Jay Cutler, all while having about 100 less pounds of muscle lol.
post 1592081961 11-21-2019, 11:19 PM
-
#138
  1. northernlights7
  2. Banned
  1. northernlights7
  2. Banned
  3. Join Date: Jun 2013
  4. Posts: 24,527
  5. Rep Power: 24
Originally Posted By ChangeOfStyle⏩
For everyone who is actually doing standing OHP, do you go below your actual chin level to touch your front delts or do you just stop as you reach your chin and then push it back up to its starting position. I feel like it differs sometimes especially when you go much more heavier then you're used to. Is it a major difference to stop at chin level then go all the way down to your front delts or is the tension still mostly on the shoulders?
I'm not a big proponent of standing BB OHP, but I've done it a chit ton in my day. Used to be perhaps my main upper body lift because I was convinced it was so important.

Having said that, the proper way to complete the lift is to bring the bar down a bit further down. Below the chin, around the top of the chest area. Basically, going to perpendicular with the top of the shoulders themselves. You'll see plenty of people only bringing the bar down to eye level or so, which takes away the hardest few inches of the lift. It's like people who flat bench while pushing the bar back up when it's still 3" away from their chest rather than letting the bar tap the chest, then claiming they did a legitimate full ROM lift.

On the other hand, you definitely do NOT want to go lower than the top of the shoulders themselves. That's begging for a torn rotator cuff/neck issues/etc.
post 1592082081 11-21-2019, 11:22 PM
-
#139
  1. Potatolifter
  2. Frogtech survivor
  1. Potatolifter
  2. Frogtech survivor
  3. Join Date: Feb 2015
  4. Location: United Kingdom (Great Britain)
  5. Age: 41
  6. Posts: 3,150
  7. Rep Power: 22709
I only do standing OHP for shoulders, is my tour over?


Edit: I do pauses with the bar touching my chest.
post 1592082091 11-21-2019, 11:22 PM
-
#140
  1. northernlights7
  2. Banned
  1. northernlights7
  2. Banned
  3. Join Date: Jun 2013
  4. Posts: 24,527
  5. Rep Power: 24
Originally Posted By Kev1972⏩
Doesn't matter if you cheat or not if you are going to failure. It's actually better that you can cheat because even after failure you can get the weight up and do some negatives. We aren't going for competition 1rm here genius.
I didn't say that standing BB OHP was useless. Just that I think there are superior shoulder lifts if your main goals don't involve doing literal compound style standing lifting movements directly above your head on a regular basis outside of the gym. You're free to disagree with that if you want, but don't misinterpret what I was actually saying.

A lot of why I feel that way is because I've managed to get some great shoulder work in while reducing injury issues by switching to DB's (more important) and seated for my heaviest work (secondary importance, only matters a ton when going your heaviest imo). I'm one of like 3 normies I've ever seen do legit full ROM reps of DB shoulder presses with 100's+ IRL. Thus, I feel comfortable with the opinions I espouse. I've found myself far more likely to tweak my neck and chit like that when going that heavy standing, or getting into my ~3 rep heavy range with BB.
post 1592082261 11-21-2019, 11:28 PM
-
#141
  1. Mmjk1500
  2. In Hoc Signo Vinces
  1. Mmjk1500
  2. In Hoc Signo Vinces
  3. Join Date: May 2018
  4. Posts: 3,320
  5. Rep Power: 29920
Originally Posted By jk202⏩
https://i.imgur.com/01kFnzJ.jpg

Confirming OP is a ******* and knows nothing about the deltoid muscle.
yet you still look DYEL with a shirt on.
We are all self made but only the successful will admit it. -Earl Nightingale
post 1592082371 11-21-2019, 11:31 PM
-
#142
  1. Kev1972
  2. Registered User
  1. Kev1972
  2. Registered User
  3. Join Date: Jun 2013
  4. Location: Big Arm, Montana, United States
  5. Posts: 49,924
  6. Rep Power: 287644
Originally Posted By northernlights7⏩
I didn't say that standing BB OHP was useless. Just that I think there are superior shoulder lifts if your main goals don't involve doing literal compound style standing lifting movements directly above your head on a regular basis outside of the gym. You're free to disagree with that if you want, but don't misinterpret what I was actually saying.

A lot of why I feel that way is because I've managed to get some great shoulder work in while reducing injury issues by switching to DB's (more important) and seated for my heaviest work (secondary importance, only matters a ton when going your heaviest imo). I'm one of like 3 normies I've ever seen do legit full ROM reps of DB shoulder presses with 100's+ IRL. Thus, I feel comfortable with the opinions I espouse. I've found myself far more likely to tweak my neck and chit like that when going that heavy standing, or getting into my ~3 rep heavy range with BB.
Your argument made sense if it was some sort of competition, but even ego lifting it's not an issue. As long as you are going to fail or beyond you are working out properly.

I don't like dbs because it's too tough to get the weights in position without a spotter. You should be able to OHP much more than you can curl so it's kind of ridiculous looking trying to swing them up without bashing your skull in. No such issue with a barbell.
Motorcycle crew
Army veteran crew
One Meal a day crew
post 1592083081 11-21-2019, 11:53 PM
-
#143
  1. ShakeBrah
  2. Rampaging
  1. ShakeBrah
  2. Rampaging
  3. Join Date: Dec 2012
  4. Location: Commiefornia
  5. Age: 36
  6. Weight: 175 lbs
  7. Posts: 14,119
  8. Subscribers: 1
  9. Rep Power: 93671
Hey OP, I don't think you know what hypertrophy is. Increased strength comes from hypertrophy. You may mean sarcoplasmic hypertrophy, which may increase size w/o strength; just lol if you only want size.

https://www.t-nation.com/workouts/my...ng-the-program
See SuperHercules' sig
post 1592083161 11-21-2019, 11:55 PM
-
#144
  1. GrammarNaziM8
  2. fake natty
  1. GrammarNaziM8
  2. fake natty
  3. Join Date: Jan 2016
  4. Age: 17
  5. Posts: 2,389
  6. Rep Power: 5894
Originally Posted By jk202⏩
If you wanna compare any of those body parts, lemme know

https://imagecdn.bodybuilding.com/pr...31-295x295.jpg
Hnng mirin physique. Not bad at all. And great hair too.

And you'll still look dyel in a shirt at age 30. Good job.
Maybe you should start ohping noimsaying.
⭐⭐⭐***Pullups crew***⭐⭐⭐
***Ariana Grande is my 10/10 crew***
***Hip-Hop crew crew***
*** 5'8" manlet crew***
*** The Weeknd/ XOXO CREW ***
***I don't neg and never have crew***
***STAND UP AND PROSPER CREW***
MOD NEGS: 3
________________________________________
Goals: reach 180 lbs/ build massive legs-arms-back-chest-calves/ reach 5 plate conventional deadlift
post 1592084111 11-22-2019, 12:32 AM
-
#145
  1. HeMB
  2. ☙
  1. HeMB
  2. ☙
  3. Join Date: Nov 2013
  4. Posts: 1,359
  5. Rep Power: 4059
At the moment I really like standing ohp as every lateral raise gives me shoulder pain while ohp does not.

I think most people perform it poorly, leaning back too far and not using enough abs (even if they think they do).

And if you do it properly, it hits side delts more than if you lean back or do seated press.
post 1592084191 11-22-2019, 12:35 AM
-
#146
  1. HeMB
  2. ☙
  1. HeMB
  2. ☙
  3. Join Date: Nov 2013
  4. Posts: 1,359
  5. Rep Power: 4059
Originally Posted By Kev1972⏩
I don't like dbs because it's too tough to get the weights in position without a spotter. You should be able to OHP much more than you can curl so it's kind of ridiculous looking trying to swing them up without bashing your skull in. No such issue with a barbell.
Yeah, recently I ve started to hate dbs too, either on incline or shoulder press. Way to straining for my shoulders or lower back to get them in place.

Barbell 4ver crew
post 1592084311 11-22-2019, 12:38 AM
-
#147
  1. HeMB
  2. ☙
  1. HeMB
  2. ☙
  3. Join Date: Nov 2013
  4. Posts: 1,359
  5. Rep Power: 4059
Originally Posted By Mmjk1500⏩
yet you still look DYEL with a shirt on.
If he's dyel, who are you then?
Somebody who does not even know what lifting is?
post 1592084551 11-22-2019, 12:49 AM
-
#148
  1. BenMcLeodNZ
  2. Kiwi Battler
  1. BenMcLeodNZ
  2. Kiwi Battler
  3. Join Date: Jul 2015
  4. Posts: 3,961
  5. Rep Power: 13927
Originally Posted By Potatolifter⏩
I only do standing OHP for shoulders, is my tour over?


Edit: I do pauses with the bar touching my chest.
The pause at the bottom does nothing because the bottom is by far the strongest position of the press.
post 1592084601 11-22-2019, 12:50 AM
-
#149
  1. EoR
  2. 2021 Mr.Internet
  1. EoR
  2. 2021 Mr.Internet
  3. Join Date: Feb 2005
  4. Posts: 35,083
  5. Rep Power: 160146
Cleaning and pressing a decent barbell weight is one of the GOAT feelings.
EoR is powered by unique Nanomolecular Hyperdispersion Technology. Giving him high bioavailability and myocellular saturation.
post 1592084831 11-22-2019, 12:59 AM
-
#150
  1. northernlights7
  2. Banned
  1. northernlights7
  2. Banned
  3. Join Date: Jun 2013
  4. Posts: 24,527
  5. Rep Power: 24
Originally Posted By Kev1972⏩
Your argument made sense if it was some sort of competition, but even ego lifting it's not an issue. As long as you are going to fail or beyond you are working out properly.

I don't like dbs because it's too tough to get the weights in position without a spotter. You should be able to OHP much more than you can curl so it's kind of ridiculous looking trying to swing them up without bashing your skull in. No such issue with a barbell.
Don't get me wrong, there comes a point where getting DB's into position is a pain in the angus. But I've found it to be an intriguing part of a workout in an of itself.

Whether I'm doing seated or standing DB OHP, I get them into position the same way. If I'm going heavy (85's - 105's for me), I start by deadlifting them off the floor (super easy), then place an end on the thighs to knee them up one with my legs one at a time to shoulder position. Once they're at shoulder position, I find it relatively easy to keep them held there until my next move. I then either start my reps standing or back up a couple steps to slowly sit down for seated. When I fail standing up in the 100's range, I simpy pull them in front of me while remaining holding onto them to set them down quickly by in controlled fashion. When seated, my arms are close enough to the ground to simply lower them down at the sides quickly.

I admit it would probably be a total bitch trying to do the same thing with like 130's+. Then again, maybe I wouldn't think that quite as much if I were able to rep with 130's what I can with 100's.
Quick Navigation Top Misc
Bookmarks
Digg.com
Digg
del.icio.us
del.icio.us
Stumbleupon.com
StumbleUpon
Google.com
Google
Facebook.com
Facebook
Posting Permissions
  1. You may not post new threads
  2. You may not post replies
  3. You may not post attachments
  4. You may not edit your posts