Perhaps a meme will help...



Bigger version...

https://i.4pcdn.org/pol/1549681211740.png

Sorry. Well I made my point. If you think it's not valid then I guess I don't know what else to say. Shrug.

Lol no one in this thread is qualified to psychoanalyze anyone.

Destroyed.

Sorry - are you f k en retarded OP? The girl was slashed in 1986 - NINETEEN EIGHTY SIX, yet you're acting as if this is a current trend. JFL

[QUOTE=FA******* post_id=1592708731]There's a saying that being smart doesn't make you right, it just makes you better at defending your beliefs.

I just made it through this 7 page pig of a thread, and frankly, Wincel was smoking people through the first few pages. Pogue was reacting to him at best and appeared out of his depth a couple of times at the worst (not getting his fallacies right, not even understanding Winnie's point with "Alzheimer's has nothing to do with physics"). Rabbit was just copy-pasting other people's words from Wiki and Google and adding no insight of her own (and missing that Dark Knight reference? Brah...). Winnie had a complete theory built and evidence to support it at every turn.[/b]

That being said, this stuff is old hat for Wincel. I've seen him break out the old hard-determinism routine multiple times; this isn't the first time he's made these arguments, and I don't even think it's the first time he's used those same sources. Debating him on chit he's written and rehearsed for years is like competing in a free throw contest with a friend who shoots baskets for an hour every day after work. He's going to own you, and it's not because he's a better shooter, it's because he's got way more practice at it than you do. Winnie's smart, and he's spent a lot more time on this than anyone else on the board. Engaging him on his "home turf" like this isn't really productive.

Personally, I think the flaw with his thinking is that he's using hard determinism as an excuse to give up, and that's just not necessarily the case. Even if the future is pre-written, we don't know what that outcome will be. Perhaps Wincel's fate is only to be a virgin until 45, when he meets a post-op tranny who becomes the love of his life and they adopt 3 kids from Bolivia. I mean, how do you know it's[i]not[/i]true? If you had an infinitely powerful computer, you could compute the movement of every atom in the universe for the next 15 years and see if it's going to happen or not. But those don't exist, so for now you've got to play it by ear. Put forth the effort, and whatever is fated to happen will inevitably be.



For everyone else ITT - I think you're assuming way too much uniformity among incels. The whole thing is very decentralized: there's no single underlying ideology, no leaders, no formal "parties" or "camps" - it's just a bunch of men on the internet upset that they can't get laid, and the commonalities end there. If you put say me, Winnie, EOD, InstantLoser, and BigBallsMcGee in a room together, we couldn't even decide what to get for lunch tomorrow, much less get some kind of dogma hammered out. It's true that sitting in an echo chamber where people bitch about not getting laid isn't healthy, sometimes even radicalizing. But saying all incels support violence against women is taking like 10 steps of assumption too far.

For Wincel - they say the mark of an educated mind is to be able to entertain an idea without accepting it. You've gone down this nihilism road so many times that you've worn ruts in it. I'd like to see you cook up an argument for the bluepill "personality n confidence" viewpoint, just to stretch your brain a bit.[/QUOTE]Glad I'm not the only one who thought this.

I don't wanna feed Wincel's ego, but IMO he destroys almost everyone who challenges him. But then again most people don't help themselves by getting drawn into a logic based argument, which - against Wincel - is like trying to match Deontay Wilder for knock-out power.

Wincel's salvation lies in some kind of subjective experiencing, imo, but that's not something that can be provided over a message board.

BetaAsPhuck's little experiment may help to stretch Wincel intellectually, but it still contains the problem that it's yet more intellectualising, and he clearly needs something else, imo.

give them your yeezys and supreme and they will be getting the dik suked at the snap of a finger

2 women on the misc have offered to date him, but he flat out refused the one, and ITT just literally ignored the other.

He literally just stopped posting ITT, after Jay said that she was sapiosexual and found Wincel attractive and would date him.

It doesn't seem like he's an incel... Dude is actively avoiding women who want to date him.

To be fair, she has revealed some things on here that would be cause for hesitation.

She's abusive towards people?

Unless she has indicated that she treats people like chit, and if she's only said things that indicate she's 'a bit phucked up'... So is Wincel. (No offence Jay or Wincel, I'm working through my own chit.)

Well there’s two things i’d say to that:

1) a lack of openness to new experiences is fairly common facet of troubled/depressed/nihilistic individuals.

2) this being a msg board, i’m not sure how much stock i’d place in any of the “opportunities” you’ve highlighted.

People have met up on this forum for years (and have even made threads about it). Also a brah who was an incel (and was just as vocal about being an incel - called FA at the time - as Wincel) actually lost his virginity to a female miscer.

The first woman who wanted to date Wincel actually showed her pics (everyone agreed that she was good looking too), and was a verified female miscer... He flat out refused.

I am aware of the InstantLoser story.

Re Wincel opportunities - you’ve only provided snippets of context. Did she live near to Wincel? Did he find her attractive? What did he think of her as a poster? Was it all sincere, or was it maybe some kind of drama?

Maybe he had valid reasons to turn down the opportunities, or maybe he didn’t. I dunno. But my point is A) we probably don’t really know anywhere near enough of the details, and B) anything we think we know should be viewed with a certain degree of skepticism because this is an online msg board and we’re merely observers.

It was rubyharo. She is a very pretty girl. But she had her own things going on, and just from talking to her, it was clear she missed her first bf. She is a good girl, but I just didn't see anything with her. U can't date someone out of desperation. I tried that before. It didn't work.

Was that decision a touch pre-mature, perhaps? Might it have been worth meeting in person to test the waters?

Granted, I’m asking this based on very little knowledge of the situation. I don’t even know who rubyharo is.

Yeah, no. Not what I was thinking.

"Incel" has to be one of the dumbest terms I've ever heard. Pretty much any man not currently balls deep in pussy (or bunghole if that's his preference) is technically "involuntarily celibate," because if you asked them"Would you like some pussy / ass right now?"pretty much all of them would be like "Sure!"

Having said that, the online communities of incels that stew in their own incompetence in dating are the male equivalence of "thots" / radical feminists. Lowest on the totem pole. If you're gonna b!tch about dating, it's the ENTIRE CULTURE to blame, not just women and not just men. The entire culture is phucked, I can agree with that. There's blame to be shared everywhere for that.

A guy posting one-sided hate on an "incel forum" is the equivalence of b!tches who sell butthole pics on Snapchat premium or throw up a Venmo link on their social media / online dating profiles. At least, in terms of how simultaneously worthless and entitled they are.

Nope. We weren't clicking. She's a good girl tho, and pretty hot. Misc knows.

I've been thinking, sure looks gives anyone an upper hand but looks isn't what really makes people fall in love. Forming a strong bond is what that does that.

Even Chads can be unhappy, as sometimes they find it difficult to find the one or they lose her because they are addicted to attention from others.

Rich men do have more success but they have to worry that their wives or gfs are hold diggers.

Compatibility cannot be forced so looks cannot override it. Just look neat and improve yourself, maintain friendships with women.

The goal is to find something that lasts. Everyone is looking for a lasting bond. So everyone is on the same level in that aspect. So it doesn't matter how much experience you have with women, a man who has only slept with one woman or none can find a lasting bond before a Chad who has been with 200 women (men usually exaggerate their numbers mind you).

Divorce and breakups can happen to anyone even Chad. There is no guarantee Chad will find true love or even his best match, a woman he finds it easy to be loyal to.

True bonds cannot be controlled, it just happens but first you have to meet or chat with the person. Women cannot control who they fall for, neither can men, neither can Stacy, neither can Chad, neither can an incel.

Yes the entire dating culture is fukked. Some men just cannot get laid no matter what.

Don't you have a gf? How would you know? No offence.

Because i have experience in dating and know how it is

Congrats on not being the biggest incel on the board thanks to pogue

But you haven't personally gone through it. I mean I have a relative you is a virgin but it's because he is extremely shy. He is very self conscious but once you get a topic he likes he can be quite witty. Most people don't get to see that side of him.

How would you know what someone has tried or what they haven't tried? How would you know what they might think of trying won't work? Each individual is unique and has different things to offer, skills and talents. So you cannot without knowing all the facts make such an assumption. Truth be told.

Would rep if I could.

I didn't know you were so damn insightful Jay!

I think the Michael Douglas thing is all I associate with you.

Wincel,

I'm currently re-watching True Detective Season 1... And I actually chuckled thinking that Rust honestly reminded me of you.

His strong belief in genetic determinism, physicalism, and nihilism.

Spoiler!

Do you identify with his character, Wincel?

You're alright kid.

Thanks, I have my moments. Hugs.

GD incels