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post 1592976711 12-05-2019, 07:50 PM
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Holy fuk my jimmies havent been this rustled in a long time

imagine just trying to do your job and make a living for yourself and getting fuking killed over it



I feel bad for the innocent victim's families that have to deal with this BS now
post 1592976861 12-05-2019, 07:52 PM
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Originally Posted By amikaelmorris⏩
i'm fukin blown away that they decided to take part in a shootout in that situation, complete lack of awareness to the fact that they were dumping mags into civilian cars, ESPECIALLY knowing that it was a hostage situation. complete disgrace using civilians as human shields and i'm shocked that those people just sat their in their cars allowing it to happen. step on the fukin gas and GO.

this is gonna end in a lot of tears and gigantic lawsuits
Watch the video, cars did try to move out of the way, and cops still used them as cover. Traffic was stopped, so not much room to go anywhere
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post 1592976921 12-05-2019, 07:54 PM
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Originally Posted By wincel⏩
just another day in the good old u s of a
Every country has its problems.

Maybe we need to MORE government to fix these problems since they’ve been doing so well these past decades.
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Originally Posted By whogotmuhbeers⏩
Not joking.

I’ve seen a lot of his post dudes a total scumbag.
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post 1592977021 12-05-2019, 07:55 PM
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Originally Posted By TaeBoNinja⏩
Watch the video, cars did try to move out of the way, and cops still used them as cover. Traffic was stopped, so not much room to go anywhere
what i mean is like, that **** doesn't just appear on top of you, you're sitting there in traffic and you hear dozens of sirens behind you from a mile away, you see blue lights, time to bug the fuk out. bare minimum i'm getting to the concrete divider and booking it

probably too busy texting or checking instagram
post 1592977221 12-05-2019, 07:59 PM
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Originally Posted By TaeBoNinja⏩
Watch the video, cars did try to move out of the way, and cops still used them as cover. Traffic was stopped, so not much room to go anywhere


lol cars are literally crashing into each other in an attempt to get out of danger but the cops are using them as rolling coverage.

Da fuk kind of training did these guys receive?
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Originally Posted By amikaelmorris⏩
what i mean is like, that **** doesn't just appear on top of you, you're sitting there in traffic and you hear dozens of sirens behind you from a mile away, you see blue lights, time to bug the fuk out. bare minimum i'm getting to the concrete divider and booking it

probably too busy texting or checking instagram
When you hear sirens you stop the car and let cops go through, you don't get out of the car on a freeway. I don't think anyone expected the cops to get out and bum rush the truck.
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post 1592977331 12-05-2019, 08:01 PM
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ban ups
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Originally Posted By bov188⏩


lol cars are literally crashing into each other in an attempt to get out of danger but the cops are using them as rolling coverage.

Da fuk kind of training did these guys receive?
Brought to you by the same county whose sherrif refused to go into a school with an active shooter.
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post 1592977721 12-05-2019, 08:09 PM
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post 1592977821 12-05-2019, 08:09 PM
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Originally Posted By wincel⏩
ban ups
Hilarious.

Rep trading ruined this shthole site, you little *******
post 1592977951 12-05-2019, 08:12 PM
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Originally Posted By SF49ers⏩
Hilarious.

Rep trading ruined this shthole site, you little *******
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Originally Posted By Darkhare⏩
Seriously tho. Cops were reckless as hell
I think the NWO is deliberately recruiting a bunch of trigger happy maniac yes men in the police force and military. That way if the people ever rise up against the elites these clowns will have no problem gunning down their own fellow citizens.
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Originally Posted By JT11RTR⏩
Cops killed both criminals, the ups driver, and an innocent bystander. Sounds like they handled this terribly.
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too bad they dont have access to aerial assets to follow the ups truck instead of deciding to have a shootout in the middle of traffic
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Originally Posted By amikaelmorris⏩
what i mean is like, that **** doesn't just appear on top of you, you're sitting there in traffic and you hear dozens of sirens behind you from a mile away, you see blue lights, time to bug the fuk out. bare minimum i'm getting to the concrete divider and booking it

probably too busy texting or checking instagram
Bro you are full bown retard. I was on a highway, exact same scenario except light traffic right outside knoxville tn. I had no idea WTF was going on when a truck passed me at 100 on the right side shoulder, next thing I know 12 cops are about 5 seconds behind passing me everywhere. They called the chase off as soon as it hit Knoxville. It was two armed robbers who robbed a hotel on 66. They stopped the chase and had a helicopter, and caught them an hour later with zero shots fired.

Now if I know I'm mid crossfire like the one car trying to push 3 cars in front of him, fuk that I'm running over cops and dipping out straight into the divider and hopefully make it 10-15 feet away. I'm sure everyone on the road was in pure shock because it happened in seconds. Its hard to say what you would do when police with rifles take over your car, IDK.
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Originally Posted By rectifryer⏩
I thought about what I would say to troll myself and he pretty much nailed it.

They were hiding behind the ENGINE BLOCKS bro, not the people!

The burglars shot someone, though, we better shootup this entire area before they do!

FUK letting the ups driver escape! That burglar could kill someone!

Until YOU'VE been in a firefight, don't judge people killing innocent people BRO!

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police have confirmed that they have the motorcycle in custody and are set to arraign the bike on the charges of attempted murder, assault on an officer, resisting arrest, and disorderly conduct on friday.
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Originally Posted By Bigdumogre⏩
The 2 suspects were firing out of the truck, still not confirmed whose bullets killed the ups driver and the civilian. But what else should the cops do? Let them keep firing from the car and chance killing more people?
Originally Posted By Bigdumogre⏩
Look at the truck they fired first, do you expect the cops to not fire back? -and many chases are cut off in high speed situations but not low speed chases with 2 armed felons
Should the criminals just fire into traffic at the cops and the cops do nothing? How many people could die that way ?
Originally Posted By Bigdumogre⏩
The cops weren’t hiding behind pedestrians they were using car engine blocks as cover like they are taught. You are making it sound like the cop was hiding behind someone

Why blame the cops and not blame the people who caused this situation to happen? If they dident do this then 2 innocent people would still be alive
Originally Posted By Bigdumogre⏩
Too all the people in this thread that are claiming this and that, have you ever been in a firefight? If the answer is no then you can’t say shít. When someone is shooting at you, you automatically take cover and return fire. Re watched the video and see cops running to get better angles to return fire, most are at the engine block.

Also these are armed fleeing felons who just SHOT A WOMAN IN HER HEAD when they robbed the store. That changes everything
Originally Posted By Bigdumogre⏩
Keep reading the whole manual, all law enforcement guides are the same after the LIRR shooting. You may not shoot if the safety of innocent people are in danger UNLESS not doing so may cause serious psychical injury to others.
So if other people’s lives are in danger you may shoot in the understanding that not doing so may cause someone to die. So don’t partly quote a guide without reading the whole guide or law.

Says it right here

Members shall not shoot from or at a moving vehicle, except as a last resort to prevent imminent death or serious physical injury to the officer or another person.
Originally Posted By Bigdumogre⏩
They shot someone in the head robbing the place then were the first to fire when the cops showed up but you are still blaming the cops? If they attempted to kill a woman at the jewelry store what would stop them from killing many people to get away? Cops had a job to do and had to do it while taking fire.
In all sincerity, I don't know if you're personally bias, or absolutely fuking stupid. Perhaps you're from Miami, and have family who are LEOs, or are a LEO in Miami yourself. If not, then certainly some other bias that's causing you to genuinely post all of the above. You are typing properly, so you aren't drunk or on any substances. Or legitimately, you may be an absolute fuking moron, with more chromosomes than you know what to do with.

I say that kindly.

The entire situation was made worse by direct engagement.

-If they are firing when police approach the vehicle, don't approach the vehicle. They are dead locked in traffic; where the fuk are they going to go in the UPS car? And if they do manage to bulldoze through traffic, you have aerial surveillance on them. Have you never seen chases ending in a standoff on a highway? They're dealt with appropriately, not a bunch of fuking trigger happy wanna-be police officers looking to get some action at any cost other than their own.

And all those fuking idiots looked to have gotten in on it, cowering behind vehicles - not crouched at the engine block after they've gotten the passengers out of the cars safely, but with passengers stuck in traffic with no where to go.




Originally Posted By bov188⏩
They're not suppose to start a shoot out in the middle of a busy highway with a hostage in the vehicle, and dozens of civilians in crossfire. They had helicopters in the air, and dozens of officers in cruisers... They should back off.

This is the exact reason many LEA's have no pursuit policies
Originally Posted By chalup⏩
They were firing at the cops when they got close. You call the chase off in rush hour traffic when you have multiple helicopters on the UPS truck FFS.
Originally Posted By TaeBoNinja⏩
It's pretty obivous the police killed the driver from the video. And really, once they unlaoded it was a wrap.

As for how you handle this, you use your copters. Jewelry isn't worth the lives being lost. You also don't use civilian vechiles as cover. Just LOL
Originally Posted By chalup⏩
I can tell you they should have called the chase off once it was in high traffic area. What they SHOULDN'T do is use pedestrians as cover, or cross fire, or basically anything they did. They started firing at cops who were behind pedestrians, you can clearly see it.
Originally Posted By chalup⏩
Engine block of cars with multiple pedestrians in it, no? What about the 3 on the end of the car? Where is the engine block there?

What about the bad guys? There will be bad guys every day. It's literally the police's pejorative to protect the citizens and enforce the law, no? The bad guys died, just as they would have in a shoot out on foot on a side street, or apartment harboring felons.
Originally Posted By TaeBoNinja⏩
Brah, people were in those cars, lol. Like a robber's aim will just hit the engine block and not other parts of the car. u wot?
Originally Posted By bov188⏩
There's literally protocols for this stuff. Taken from page 9 of the Florida Highway Patrol Policy Manual ...



https://www.flhsmv.gov/pdf/fhp/policies/1705.pdf

In other words, they shouldn't engage and they should back off, allowing the truck to continue driving
Originally Posted By TaeBoNinja⏩
Cops rushed the truck and started the shootout. They were on foot guns drawn, what are you even tlaking about? People died due to the cops, not in spite of them.

brb let me save the hostage by shooting her to death
brb let me save the bystanders by using them as cover, only one of them died
Originally Posted By Archangel_Lost⏩
Shot a woman in the head, better make it an even 3 innocents.
Originally Posted By bov188⏩
In the LIRR shooting he was indiscriminately shooting civilians.

These criminals were shooting at cops because they're approaching the truck with weapons drawn. If the cops back off or end the pursuit there is a high probability the suspects would stop shooting, or not shoot at all
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Originally Posted By dopamine72⏩
Wow....

Yep, cops are targets and they're literally putting themselves behind civilians for cover instead of finding different cover....

The least they could have done is pull people out of their ****ing cars, there's enough cops that 40 of them could have kept shooting while 10 cops get people the phuck out of there. But nope, every single cop wants to discharge their firearm instead.

I'm disgusted with the way Florida law enforcement handled this. I think every single person who witnesses this footage is in agreement too, this was handled so bad it looks like an amateur cartel shootout. Pathetic.



And now the hostage is dead, shot by police. I have lost more respect for LE after seeing this. Seems its getting worse. I'm almost in agreement now with the UK not allowing all cops to carry.
Kind of ironic...
Cause the hostage is supposed to be killed by the criminal not the police.
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couldn't c ****. i loked at vids on twitter.

rip to the innocent people but those pos's are the ones responsible. they had a hostage and put everyone in jeopardy.
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Originally Posted By chalup⏩
Holy shiet is that regular protocol to unleash a hail of bullets on bumper to bumper interstate traffic?
What would you have done in the situation (srs). I would have handed it over to the state troopers and allow them to follow by air until the guy went somewhere less populated.

But what if he went to a place even more populated like a mall or club? The police would get blamed either way unfortunately
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real question that everyone ignores:
who was the perpetrator? hispanic? black? white? asian?


also, as an European, now I realize where Grand Theft Auto get their inspiration for cop chases
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I'll lick boots all day long but I can't on this one. Really saddening that two innocent people died in this situation. From one of the views I watched, you have cops firing in the drivers side door it looks like, yet no one is even visible from that side. They were congregated on the passenger side, so even if firing back was justified by whatever means, it was unquestionably haphazard and reckless.

I have so many questions but my biggest, why not just ram the side of the truck on the open road if your plan is to charge in guns blazing when the vehicle stops? Why the fuk do you wait until it is the middle of dozens of civilians to start recklessly shooting? And when the criminals have had a chance to re-position themselves and place the hostage in harms way. Ram it, get out as fast as you can, and drop the fuker before he even gets out of his seat if your plan is to just blast away.

Can't imagine what was going through the UPS guy's mind. Probably thinking if he cooperates the police will save him when it comes to an end, and yet he died at their hands. Unfathomable. Wonder if I would have the balls to leap out when the truck slowed down or something. Impossible to know how you'll react in that situation though. Wish the UPS driver would have tried though.

Man, this one really pisses me off and depresses me.
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- Violent homicidal felons take hostage
- Hostage's life is in danger, thus deadly force is authorized
- Cops endanger everyone in order to save hostage
- Cops kill hostage anyways
- Cops also kill bystander

I know an ex-marine NRA instructor and he says generally not to trust law enforcement with weapons due to chit training. I think this is a good example.
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Originally Posted By chalup⏩
Gets worse, a bystander was killed as well.

https://www.sun-sentinel.com/local/b...vhi-story.html

These stupid fukking cops should be sentenced to life without parole. Fuirates me that this is the way that ended.
Absolutely.

This is inexcusable.
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Originally Posted By ko300zx⏩
Man, this one really pisses me off and depresses me.
I feel ya bro, its one of the few threads I've seen on here lately that really bothers me. I saw in the video cops didn't just have pistols either, they had high powered rifles which will go through 1/2" thick solid steal. When that one cop dumped an entire AR magazine into the UPS truck those bullets went through every layer of the truck, through everyone inside, then out the other side of truck and kept on going. Everyone in that UPS truck was instant swiss cheese, almost like the cops were trying to murder the hostage. And I use the word murder carefully with much respect, but to me this is right on the line of murder not manslaughter...Murder. This incident has once again changed my perspective on things, its a tough pill to swallow and I think I'm still processing this whole ordeal. I truly believe changes need to be made now within the government concerning police officers and justice needs to be served. There will always be crazy people robbing others with firearms, so does that mean each time innocent people need to die as well? Like many said there is protocol for these types of things but it seems that went completely out the window this time. Why?

Still can't believe they didn't just have a chopper follow and lay off with the cops until suspects got to less populated area and maybe even the suspects would think they got away with it. For all we know if the police stayed back then the UPS driver and other's would still be alive.
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i really don't see the issue.

If I was a a pursuing cop and got the chance then I'd pull out my AK and fill the UPS van with lead, although id aim at the criminal not the driver and if the driver escaped then id just shoot the fuel tank and take out the whole van and the criminal with it.

Which is what I guess they tried to do.

If I've said it once I've said it a hundred times, cops should all have an ak47 in the pursuit vehicle, no crim is going to escape when you are lighting him up with an AK.

No need for 50 cops with 9mm's when the pursuit vehicles are letting rip with 60 mag AK's.
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Originally Posted By Spahgetti⏩
ask Broward County
It seems like they over corrected the Broward County training. Instead of hiding outside they just went all in and kill everything now.
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Originally Posted By dopamine72⏩
I saw in the video cops didn't just have pistols either, they had high powered rifles which will go through 1/2" thick solid steal. When that one cop dumped an entire AR magazine into the UPS truck those bullets went through every layer of the truck and out the other side, then kept going. Everyone in that UPS truck was instant swiss cheese, almost like the cops were trying to murder the hostage.
I was thinking, this is some hollywood sht where you have people just firing away through doors, or walls, then checking the other side to see if anyone was left alive. That's exactly what it looked like.

I don't even know how this one is going to get approached. It's not a situation where you have one dumb cop who decided to shoot first, ask questions later. Half the department unloaded on the truck. How do you even handle that? The town would be unpoliced if everyone who fired was suspended. I'm still trying to process this one too. How can so many officers make such a terrible decision at the same time. I just can't wrap my head around it.
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