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post 1593031491 12-06-2019, 02:47 PM
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Originally Posted By skinnybigballs0⏩
That UPS driver was dead the minute they fired at the cops. And yes, they were shooting at the cops before they carjacked the UPS guy.


The cops already had their mind up, once these guys stopped, they were getting lit up. Why wait till they’re smack dab in the middle of ****ing traffic when they had ample time and opportunity to take them out before?
So the cops can see into the future now? Nice
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Originally Posted By iifymbro⏩
See this part of my post...
So how exactly were the cops going to force the suspects to drive to a secluded area?

You guys are proving exactly why you shouldnt be commenting. You have no fukking clue what you are talking about
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Originally Posted By momo5⏩
Hey man I would agree with you if I was worried about the products in the back. But once the vehicle is stopped priority is the life of the hostage and bystanders. The robbers did not jump out firing until the police rushed in. They made a bad move and endangered the hostage and bystanders causing a shootout. The robbers have no choice but to go all out when the police rushing in firing.

In no situation is cops suppose to bum rush someone who has a hostage, and kill the hostage! Do you have common sense what sense does it make to bum rush and shoot everyone including the hostage?
Yep, very telling when there were no officers trying to clear pedestrians.. instead they were hiding behind their cars while they were still inside their cars.
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Anything police related always rustles everyone jimmies.




Also but like STFU, there is literally NO defending it. A Spanish news broadcast actually zoomed in when the shooting stared and you clearly see the cop that puts two on his back based on the angle of where the bullet hits. This is after the main suspect was already going down.
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Originally Posted By bertishere⏩
this is what's wrong with society.. the police are always to blame, for everything.

you have 2 punks that rob a store, probably with an illegal firearm, and the police stop that threat, yet they're blamed because 2 innocent people died.

yes it's ****in sad, sad as hell, but the police are trained to respond and deal with situations as they come. there's a lot of **** happening all at once and they're doing their best.

not 1 police officer that responded to that call wanted the UPS driver or other person to be killed, and frankly, probably didn't even want these punks to be killed either, but it ****in happened because of the actions of thePUNKS NOT POLICE
Anyone with an IQ over 0 can view the video and see how reckless the officers were. It was a free for all and anyone with a gun started just blasting in the general direction of the UPS truck. The situation started because of the "punks" but the resolution was a cluster fuk of unprofessionalism and stupidity. It could have been handled infinitely better and if you think otherwise, you're fuking retarded.

Disclaimer: I'm a certified boot licker and this is still my opinion.
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Originally Posted By dhawkeye1980⏩
Ive already explained this is not a tracking situation. Your ugnorance of it just shows you have no basis to be commenting. Just stop
It is a tracking situation. In fact, that’s how many pursuits play out, and there are protocols for it. Especially when there is a no pursuit policy in place.

A high speed chase is dangerous for cops, civilians, hostages ... everyone. It is infinitely more safe to allow the suspects to escape and track them via helicopter (which happens all the time)

Once the suspects take shelter, cops can move in and secure the area.

These guys were not trying to cause mass casualties, and they were not indiscriminately shooting at civilians. If that was their goal then why didn’t they just kill the UPS driver?
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Originally Posted By dhawkeye1980⏩
So how exactly were the cops going to force the suspects to drive to a secluded area?

You guys are proving exactly why you shouldnt be commenting. You have no fukking clue what you are talking about
lmfao, pretty clear you're neck deep in the thin blue line cult so you will be defending these morons no matter what

I'm usually the one to give cops a break in shooting situations but this was the most inept dangerous chit I think I've ever seen from police. Absolutely zero excuse for how that ended, no matter how much cope you throw at us.
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Originally Posted By TurbanMon⏩
Yep, very telling when there were no officers trying to clear pedestrians.. instead they were hiding behind their cars while they were still inside their cars.
You know this isnt a movie right? Its real life. This was an active gun battle. Not chuck norris somersaulting in front of people while head shotting the suspects. You guys have no concept of reality
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Originally Posted By skinnybigballs0⏩
You act like they were trying to spare the UPS drivers life when they came out guns blazing? You’re ****ing delusional lmao. Just admit they should’ve ended it way before they got to rush hour traffic. Fkn dweeb
Pretty sure them shooting the tires was them trying to end it...
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Originally Posted By iifymbro⏩
lmfao, pretty clear you're neck deep in the thin blue line cult so you will be defending these morons no matter what

I'm usually the one to give cops a break in shooting situations but this was the most inept dangerous chit I think I've ever seen from police. Absolutely zero excuse for how that ended, no matter how much cope you throw at us.
So when you can answer a simple question because you in fact have no clue what you are talking about you resort to the boot licker defense

Thats not pathetic at all
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Originally Posted By dhawkeye1980⏩
You know this isnt a movie right? Its real life. This was an active gun battle. Not chuck norris somersaulting in front of people while head shotting the suspects. You guys have no concept of reality
Have you been fired upon while you were on the job?
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Originally Posted By bov188⏩
It is a tracking situation. In fact, that’s how many pursuits play out, and there are protocols for it. Especially when there is a no pursuit policy in place.

A high speed chase is dangerous for cops, civilians, hostages ... everyone. It is infinitely more safe to allow the suspects to escape and track them via helicopter (which happens all the time)

Once the suspects take shelter, cops can move in and secure the area.

These guys were not trying to cause mass casualties, and they were not indiscriminately shooting at civilians. If that was their goal then why didn’t they just kill the UPS driver?
Unless policy has changed since ive been out tracking was reserved for duis and stolen vehicles, not hostage situations. And even if tracking was an option the cops would still move in when the truck became stuck in traffic
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Originally Posted By TurbanMon⏩
man you are retarded. the police have a mandate, and they screwed the pooch on that mandate.

you're telling me if a bunch of armed robers get forced into a mall, by the police, and start shooting at the police, the police can airstrike the mall and the fault lies with the "baddies"? lmao
and you're even more retarded for trying to compare that scenario to this.

every situation that police are involved in is dynamic, anything can happen.

based on the video, to me, it appears like they wanted to surround the car. yes the vehicle was stopped, mind you not in the perfect location, but it was stopped. are we supposed to let them continue driving and potentially put the lives of more people in danger or act now as the opportunity presented itself?

so they surround the car and issue commands, then they get shot at so they return fire and unfortunately 4 ppl are dead. and the police are at fault?

gotcha.
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Originally Posted By allianc3⏩
Have you been fired upon while you were on the job?
I was at one if the largest shootings in police history. I was not in a position to return fire however
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Originally Posted By bertishere⏩
and you're even more retarded for trying to compare that scenario to this.

every situation that police are involved in is dynamic, anything can happen.

based on the video, to me, it appears like they wanted to surround the car. yes the vehicle was stopped, mind you not in the perfect location, but it was stopped. are we supposed to let them continue driving and potentially put the lives of more people in danger or act now as the opportunity presented itself?

so they surround the car and issue commands, then they get shot at so they return fire and unfortunately 4 ppl are dead. and the police are at fault?

gotcha.
In one breath you say everything police are involved in is dynamic and anything can happen. In the next you say the vehicle was stopped so it was necessary to surround the car regardless of the location or surroundings.

If you truly believed your first statement you would actually take the position that conventional wisdom or tactics should not have applied in this particular situation and they should have been more dynamic in their approach and in this case that approach should NOT have been to surround the vehicle when there were far too many innocents in harms way for the full fledged shoot-out that ensued.
Originally Posted By dhawkeye1980⏩
I was at one if the largest shootings in police history. I was not in a position to return fire however
That is quite intentionally vague. Were you securing the scene? Were you actively being engaged? Were the suspects already down when you arrived?
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Originally Posted By dhawkeye1980⏩
So when you can answer a simple question because you in fact have no clue what you are talking about you resort to the boot licker defense

Thats not pathetic at all
nah you tried to change what I said by inserting "force theminto secluded area" when I was laying out multiple dynamic possibilities a competent police force would've been prepared to act on if opportunity arose for it, typical bad faith argumentative tactic from someone in full cope mode


Imagine defending police stacking up 80 cars deep in crowded surface street traffic directly behind criminals in a stolen van w/ hostage who have already demonstrated willingness to fire on police, then instantly bum rush the truck as soon as it was stuck surrounded by dozens and dozens of civilians trapped in their cars, then open firing en mass w/ rifles and absolute chaotic reckless abandon, even using said trapped civilians as shields for incoming fire. I'd rather necc
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Originally Posted By allianc3⏩
In one breath you say everything police are involved in is dynamic and anything can happen. In the next you say the vehicle was stopped so it was necessary to surround the car regardless of the location or surroundings.

If you truly believed your first statement you would actually take the position that conventional wisdom or tactics should not have applied in this particular situation and they should have been more dynamic in their approach and in this case that approach should NOT have been to surround the vehicle when there were far too many innocents in harms way for the full fledged shoot-out that ensued.



That is quite intentionally vague. Were you securing the scene? Were you actively being engaged? Were the suspects already down when you arrived?
No it isnt vague you simply dont like it. We were shot at during the pursuit, when it terminated the suspects vehicle was on one side and I was on the other and there were too many officers between myself and shooters and by the time i got up there it was over in a matter of seconds
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Originally Posted By iifymbro⏩
nah you tried to change what I said by inserting "force theminto secluded area" when I was laying out multiple dynamic possibilities a competent police force would've been prepared to act on if opportunity arose for it, typical bad faith argumentative tactic from someone in full cope mode


Imagine defending police stacking up 80 cars deep in crowded surface street traffic directly behind criminals in a stolen van w/ hostage who have already demonstrated willingness to fire on police, then instantly bum rush the truck as soon as it was stuck surrounded by dozens and dozens of civilians trapped in their cars, then open firing en mass w/ rifles and absolute chaotic reckless abandon, even using said trapped civilians as shields for incoming fire. I'd rather necc
You did not lay out anything at all actually. You made up chit and expected the cops to see the future. You have no clue what you are talking about
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Originally Posted By dhawkeye1980⏩
You did not lay out anything at all actually. You made up chit and expected the cops to see the future. You have no clue what you are talking about
Weren't you previously fired from the force?
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Originally Posted By dhawkeye1980⏩
You did not lay out anything at all actually. You made up chit and expected the cops to see the future. You have no clue what you are talking about
Imagine defending police stacking up 80 cars deep in crowded surface street traffic directly behind criminals in a stolen van w/ hostage who have already demonstrated willingness to fire on police, then instantly bum rush the truck as soon as it was stuck surrounded by dozens and dozens of civilians trapped in their cars, then open firing en mass w/ rifles and absolute chaotic reckless abandon, even using said trapped civilians as shields for incoming fire. I'd rather necc


I'll just add that if military personnel used civilians as cover like that there would be hell to pay for it and that's in a hellish warzone, these chucklefuk police pulled that stunt in the middle of south florida and due to thin blue line phgts always protecting their own no matter what, no one will be held accountable in the slightest for this.
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Originally Posted By iifymbro⏩
Imagine defending police stacking up 80 cars deep in crowded surface street traffic directly behind criminals in a stolen van w/ hostage who have already demonstrated willingness to fire on police, then instantly bum rush the truck as soon as it was stuck surrounded by dozens and dozens of civilians trapped in their cars, then open firing en mass w/ rifles and absolute chaotic reckless abandon, even using said trapped civilians as shields for incoming fire. I'd rather necc


I'll just add that if military personnel used civilians as cover like that there would be hell to pay for it and that's in a hellish warzone, these chucklefuk police pulled that stunt in the middle of south florida and due to thin blue line phgts always protecting their own no matter what, no one will be held accountable in the slightest for this.
Imagine lying about the cops using civillians for cover
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Originally Posted By dhawkeye1980⏩
Imagine lying about the cops using civillians for cover
What do you call this?

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Originally Posted By bov188⏩
What do you call this?

A page that doesnt exist?

Where the cops holding civillians in front of them while the suspects shot at them? Yes or no. Or where the cops using engine blocks while engaging active shooters? You can claim all you want the cops used the civillians as shields, it is not true
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Originally Posted By dhawkeye1980⏩
A page that doesnt exist?

Where the cops holding civillians in front of them while the suspects shot at them? Yes or no. Or where the cops using engine blocks while engaging active shooters? You can claim all you want the cops used the civillians as shields, it is not true
Weren't you previously fired from the force?
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Originally Posted By dhawkeye1980⏩
A page that doesnt exist?

Where the cops holding civillians in front of them while the suspects shot at them? Yes or no. Or where the cops using engine blocks while engaging active shooters? You can claim all you want the cops used the civillians as shields, it is not true
cops weren't using civilians for cover, they were just using the engine blocks while the civilians were still inside the car. Oh and the civilian who tried to drive away? cops were just hiding behind his engine block as moving screen.
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Originally Posted By dhawkeye1980⏩
A page that doesnt exist?

Where the cops holding civillians in front of them while the suspects shot at them? Yes or no. Or where the cops using engine blocks while engaging active shooters? You can claim all you want the cops used the civillians as shields, it is not true
fuk, try either of these. The answer is yes.





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Originally Posted By dhawkeye1980⏩
I was at one if thelargest shootings in police history. I was not in a position to return fire however
Originally Posted By dhawkeye1980
No it isnt vague you simply dont like it. We were shot at during the pursuit, when it terminated the suspects vehicle was on one side and I was on the other and there were too many officers between myself and shooters and by the time i got up there it wasover in a matter of seconds
Which is it?
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Originally Posted By bov188⏩
fuk, try either of these. The answer is yes.



Huh thats weird i didnt see any cops holding people in front of them as shields. I saw them running to engage suspects shooting at them.

So not one ounce of blame is on the shooters to you? Just the cops? Neat
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Originally Posted By TurbanMon⏩
cops weren't using civilians for cover, they were just using the engine blocks while the civilians were still inside the car. Oh and the civilian who tried to drive away? cops were just hiding behind his engine block as moving screen.
lmaoooo " Cops were not using Civilians for protection, they were just hiding behind their cars while the civilians were driving them"

just take this L and accept not only were those cops pussies, but they are trigger happy.

You can #BlueLivesMatter my ass
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It was a bad time to engage dude.
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