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Thread: Practicing medicine now, I see just how immune doctors are from AI/automation (srs)

post 1596520401 01-27-2020, 09:08 PM
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Originally Posted By GerbilFarmer⏩
Cope




Srs. In 10-15 years doctors will be replaced by a roomba.

AI can think in different ways humans never have or could. At a certain point AI will be able to cure all diseases.

Most doctors now just prescribe pills
I guess so but by the time that doctors can be replaced by AI every other profession will have been as well so it's not really relevant is it
post 1596520461 01-27-2020, 09:08 PM
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Originally Posted By Hardlifter9⏩
Who gets sued for the 25% of the time it isn't right?
It's a robot....

You gonna sue Zoltar if his future telling prediction is wrong?
post 1596520611 01-27-2020, 09:10 PM
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Originally Posted By doughnutking⏩
We'd have to program it to hide it's mistakes like what the human doctors do.

At least we could learn from the machines mistakes unlike the human doctors who hide them so we cannot learn how to improve the system.

The system as it stands today is completely flawed.

I welcome the machines.
u mad u didn't get into med school?

and you realize we have M&Ms specifically so everyone learns from others' mistakes lul.
Originally Posted By randomcrash⏩
It's a robot....
self owned robot? seems legit.
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post 1596520851 01-27-2020, 09:15 PM
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Originally Posted By Hardlifter9⏩
u mad u didn't get into med school?
Why the fuc would i spend my life learning a trade where most of what i would learn is bro-science and quackery which in the years to come will be laughed at like the bloodletting physicians of the past?
post 1596521471 01-27-2020, 09:23 PM
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imagine 4 years bachelors, 4 years med school, 5+ residency/research and training. to get gunned down by a bum on a night out with your honey. think about it logically
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post 1596521491 01-27-2020, 09:23 PM
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Originally Posted By randomcrash⏩
Build a robot that is right 75% of the time, has a $5 "office visit", and has a prescription pad and tell me you wouldn't make a killin'
Does this robot hand out amphetamines and opiates without question?
post 1596521531 01-27-2020, 09:24 PM
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Originally Posted By TheJediBrah⏩
I guess so but by the time that doctors can be replaced by AI every other profession will have been as well so it's not really relevant is it
I think it will be one of the first.

It would be the most profitable thing to replace with AI and beneficial.
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post 1596521861 01-27-2020, 09:29 PM
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Originally Posted By GerbilFarmer⏩
I think it will be one of the first.

It would be the most profitable thing to replace with AI and beneficial.
that's nice but your personal opinion is irrelevant and your post has been rendered invalid.
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post 1596521931 01-27-2020, 09:30 PM
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Originally Posted By DesperateEnuf⏩
Does this robot hand out amphetamines and opiates without question?
That is typically the pharmacists job. Yet another profession that could be replaced with Zoltar. Literal doc-in-the-boxes.
post 1596522271 01-27-2020, 09:34 PM
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Originally Posted By GerbilFarmer⏩
I think it will be one of the first.

It would be the most profitable thing to replace with AI and beneficial.
Yeah but that's just like... your opinion man.
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post 1596522301 01-27-2020, 09:34 PM
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Originally Posted By Fsharpasharp⏩
that's nice but your personal opinion is irrelevant and your post has been rendered invalid.
Nice one really burned me there.


Really though. You think they are going to waste billions automating burger flippers, or laborers? No why waste the time or money lol. That’s where the money and benefits to society will be


Sorry you doctorcels are afraid of the future.
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post 1596522601 01-27-2020, 09:39 PM
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Originally Posted By GerbilFarmer⏩
Nice one really burned me there.


Really though. You think they are going to waste billions automating burger flippers, or laborers? No why waste the time or money lol. That’s where the money and benefits to society will be


Sorry you doctorcels are afraid of the future.
They already tried with anesthesia. Didn't even come close to being implemented. Anesthesiologists continue to make 400,000$/year. They're trying now with radiology but when I'm considering placing a duodenojejunal stent in a pancreatic cancer patient, I want to talk with the radiologist about the patient's cancer, not consult with a robot. In 50 years? Maybe who knows. Not anytime soon.
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post 1596522961 01-27-2020, 09:43 PM
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OP do you not think that radio is going out of business real soon? Beyond image guided procedures, they are just pattern recognition software that is no where near perfect. Likewise with microbio - the hallmark features under microscope can readily be programmed into pattern recognition AI.

Likewise with cardiologists that make a killing reading ECGs or stress tests --> that is pattern recognition at its finest. If radio goes, we could make a case for even echo going next.

Of course an MD can serve as a 2nd line filter in all of these cases and likely will. But it will cut into the # of MDs hired and downward pressure on wages.
post 1596523371 01-27-2020, 09:51 PM
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Originally Posted By doughnutking⏩
A recent Johns Hopkins study claims more than 250,000 people in the U.S. die every year from medical errors. Other reports claim the numbers to be as high as 440,000.

Medical errors are the third-leading cause of death after heart disease and cancer.
Give me the breakdown of those that are both preventable and a result of gross negligence or incompetence of the physician (not PA OR NP)
post 1596523491 01-27-2020, 09:54 PM
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My rule is this.

If it can kill you, seek out a doctor.

If not.. Youre better off with google 90% of the time. Ive noticed when the liability isnt there they just dont give a fuk.
Originally Posted By BOZZ⏩
Give me the breakdown of those that are both preventable and a result of gross negligence or incompetence of the physician (not PA OR NP)
I always heard antidepressants were the devils work, make people kill themselves, etc. Finally started seeing a shrink 2 years ago for various issues. I raised some concerns. He said its really simple.

The people are already mentally sick when they start them. These are people that have seriously considered suicide or tried before and other things mentally unwell people do. When you read the suicide rates for the meds he prescribes, they show

mentally unwell group hes trying to save VS the general population

Instead of

Mentally unwell group on antidepressants VS Mentally unwell group that opted to not take them.

Not saving someone from a lethal event or condition that was going to happen regardless that you tried to save them from does not equal doctor liability but most people are too stupid to understand this. Reminds me of a teenage lifeguard that was arrested for not rescuing a child fast enough while the parents were off somewhere not watching the kid.
post 1596523871 01-27-2020, 10:03 PM
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Originally Posted By p100⏩
Surgeon here. I say AI will replace us soon. Radiology is already a dying field.
This is not true either, pure imaging radiologists are still needed and interventional radiology is the future, a growing field and will replace many areas of surgery/surgical training.
post 1596523921 01-27-2020, 10:03 PM
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Originally Posted By ocelo7⏩
doctors can think outside the box, computers cant.
Machine learning can
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Originally Posted By xXGHOST23Xx⏩
OP do you not think that radio is going out of business real soon? Beyond image guided procedures, they are just pattern recognition software that is no where near perfect. Likewise with microbio - the hallmark features under microscope can readily be programmed into pattern recognition AI.

Likewise with cardiologists that make a killing reading ECGs or stress tests --> that is pattern recognition at its finest. If radio goes, we could make a case for even echo going next.

Of course an MD can serve as a 2nd line filter in all of these cases and likely will. But it will cut into the # of MDs hired and downward pressure on wages.
Ok so where is this technology and how will you implement it all over the country in different hospitals? We can't even read EKGs using computers. The machine told me 2 days ago that a patient is in A flutter and I lol'd.
And when it's 230AM and you're about to make a big decision for a patient, will you really take the robot's word? The answer may be yes but it'll take years and years of adaptation.

And no radio isn't going out of business. Would you let a surgeon take you to the OR for a major abdominal surgery for something that a radio has not looked at yet?
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post 1596524251 01-27-2020, 10:09 PM
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Originally Posted By GerbilFarmer⏩
I think it will be one of the first.

It would be the most profitable thing to replace with AI and beneficial.
yeah, but no, not even close
post 1596541931 01-28-2020, 07:25 AM
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Originally Posted By TheJediBrah⏩
yeah, but no, not even close
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What's point in treating someone with multiple organs failing anyway? Doctors should cut of limbs and that's about it
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Not happening anytime soon, would need to be incredibly complex. Each procedure, each disease , each pathology is unique, each patient is unique , no blanket program is going to be able to cover everything, let alone the various combinations/ permutations.

However, what we will see in this century is probably improvements and widespread use of robot-assisted procedures, which enhance precision, let you do things outside of normal capacity.
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Originally Posted By ocelo7⏩
doctors can think outside the box, computers cant.
AI =/= Computers

Radiologist are going to get replaced soon followed by surgeons. The biggest hurdle will not be doctors competence, it will be legislation and overcoming the lobbying groups.
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Originally Posted By BloodFireDeath⏩
Not happening anytime soon, would need to be incredibly complex. Each procedure, each disease , each pathology is unique, each patient is unique , no blanket program is going to be able to cover everything, let alone the various combinations/ permutations.

However, what we will see in this century is probably improvements and widespread use of robot-assisted procedures, which enhance precision, let you do things outside of normal capacity.
Complexity is only going to favor AI... Deepmind has already created a program that beat the best go player in the world, beat the best chess engine and mapped protien structures based on it's genetic sequence.
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Originally Posted By ocelo7⏩
doctors can think outside the box, computers cant.
neural networks can

atrificial, biological... soon enough there wont be much of a difference
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Originally Posted By jimberee⏩
What's point in treating someone with multiple organs failing anyway? Doctors should cut of limbs and that's about it
Lol dude like 3/4 of my patient census in the hospital have multi-organ failure. I don't think the general public realizes that we spend 90% of our time managing very sick and incredibly complex patients.
Your rash and coughs/colds, which most people come in with, is barely even considered part of my daily job.
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Originally Posted By BHall1991⏩
AI =/= Computers

Radiologist are going to get replaced soon followed by surgeons. The biggest hurdle will not be doctors competence, it will be legislation and overcoming the lobbying groups.
We can't even have a computer read an EKG properly or implement EMR changes without a thousand issues. Having a robot that can just suture isn't even on the horizon. Maybe in 100+ years.
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