If you stop to comprehend and not just argue, you would see that productivity part you quoted is the whole crux of the problem.

On a phat nuts busted to hours tried ratio, porn is 100x more productive for incels than trying with real women. For a short guy with a bad face, comparing porn vs real women is like comparing a donkey cart to a Ferrari. It's so much better, in fact, that none of them ever want to hitch up a donkey cart again.

I'll write more in a bit when I get a real keyboard, but what incels miss is the validation of being wanted by women, and that's what triggers the self-loathing part. But they don't actually want a real woman, per se. Look at how many of them are resistant to banging hookers.

You are one of those guys who sees admitting that someone else has a point as showing weakness, so you'll never cave in. On mobile right now so I can't see your post history, but are you an R&Per by chance?

Hate to go full pseudo-intellectual and end two straight posts with a quote, but this seems very relevant:

"It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without fully accepting it." -Aristotle

Some of that is a combination of low test (not necessarily literal low test, but at least a lack of masculinity) and not really knowing what you're missing. Watching porn is like eating a protein bar. It might look okay and keep you alive, but it's completely unsatisfying, which is why you have guys who have to resort to fapping several times a day. It doesn't compare to real food, even if it's bottom tier fast food. Once you know a boob feels like, had a mouth around your cock, and gone rawdog on some broad, there's really no comparison, even if she is unattractive. This is why you sometimes have incels, once they do get a taste of pussy, resort to getting into "open" relationships or get addicted to hookers.

That said, I conceded before that it's completely valid for a FA/incel to just give up on women if they believe it's too much of an uphill battle. But porn really doesn't compare even in the slightest except for those few who have a genuine porn fetish.

mostly genetics

I won't say it creates incels, but it definitely helps keep them that way

Lack of real guidance is what is most responsible for incels imo. That's where they really develop and get stuck in such a loser mentality.

Is that what you tell poor people, people struggling in school/college etc.?

What if they can't really control their own behavior? If no one wants to hangout with someone perhaps its difficult for them to change. Some people have social disorders such as aspergers and social anxiety which makes it even harder. You seem very insensitive. Furthermore, why is so much hate directed at single males, not single females who can't get or keep a relationship(99% of the time its because their standards are astronomically high)? This seems like hatred towards straight males. The same hate directed at single men SHOULD be directed at single women, unless you just hate men.

Do you make an effort to get to know people? Or do you just ask them to hang out while barely knowing them? I'm getting the impression you don't read social cues well at all based on how you respond to Cass

How much do you have to know someone before asking them to hangout?

it's helicopter moms. srs. like the ones that don't let you go out on weekdays and make you go to bed at 8:30. Oh and call you every hour when you're out. And don't forget those moms who teach their sons to respect women. I'm honestly convinced women shouldn't be allowed to raise kids.

Lmao what a stupid reason not to enjoy one of if not the best city in America

****ing pathetic

And btw bub San Diego is hella easy to get laid in , much easier and the quality of girls I’ve smashed since coming here has gone up 2-3+ points easily than back home in VA.

I ****ed like three decent looking chicks in VA , 2 black and one Indian the rest where one that shrek time not mention the low number of smashes in itself.

San Diego is not A snoty flashy ****hole like LA , a boring sleepy snub af suburb like OC , it’s the city version of a bohemian hippy. There are stuck up rich thots everywhere.

I haven’t gone out to drink by myself yet since I started making real money again doing construction , I had tinder hoes taking me out or buying me drinks when my shoulder was too hurt to work but I’m sure if I did I could take something home in social bar or club.

It’s hard not to out here. Even busted beaver looking ****s like me with no attractive features can.

Most girls are chill af hence why I never understood the incel resentment towards females

I’m in another big tier-1 US city too brodie, but now you’ve got me thinking...

For some reason I thought SD was just like LA in terms of people. Maybe I’ve been asking the wrong people...

Idk how to quantify that. If you have enough common interests and it seems like they enjoy speaking to you, hanging out should be a given. Personally, I'm pretty picky when it comes to hanging out one on one or in small groups, but that's because I'm introverted and it takes me a while to get comfortable around most people. In larger groups I'll hang out with just about anyone.

Not to go off on a tangent, and it sounds cliche, but people just gravitate towards those with fun personalities. I know this is BB.com, but a lot of guys here get WAY too hung up on looks. IRL you can't hide social deficiencies for long, but it's super hard to tell over the internet

Internet forums didn't exist when I was a kid and my family didn't even own a computer until I was like 19.This is a fallacy pushed by feminists who hate men. Incels don't hate women (sure some do, but it's not a requirement). The term Incel literally just means "Involuntarily Celibate", ie someone who wants to get laid but can't. Misogyny is not a requirement.

You wrong OP. It's this. Srs.

so... its not the "incels" that are coping but the ones that are admitting faults and stating they overcame them that are "coping" huh?

that.. despite their pitfalls made stuff happen....makes sense

Didn't you lose your virginity to a female miscer. Thank you for your service to whoever that sloot is.

I try to capitalize on my humor. I'm pretty funny. Problem is that sometimes you end yup looking like a clown.

Agreed 100%.

Username Svonne. Best ~3 months of my life.

Been celibate almost 4 years again though. I really have no control over this ****. A couple women have sought me out but otherwise it's a dead horse.

Have you tried tinder/bumble, bars, etc?

lol.... Yes. Not in a few years though. Online dating is a 100% waste of time for ugly men. I hate bars so I've only gone a few times by myself... Can't talk to anyone so I just drink a beer or two and leave.

This man doesn’t want help. He wants someone who’s attractive when he’s not attractive himself and has nothing to offer a female.

Pretty sure he’s admitted to having uglies hit on him.

It’s like walking into a Porsche dealership with 10k to buy a car, get real dude.

A little self deprecation goes a long way

You're projecting. I don't even have standards, and the couple women who have shown interest I've slept with.

Try again.

You are legitimately too stupid to insult

brb mental illness is fake and you can just "stop"

FUK OFF the 858/619 is full

Take your naked ass avi havin ******* ass somewhere else

SF would be more your speed

Obviously FA crew so I cannot confirm, but I find it interested how this post above doesn't jive with what you're saying.Anyway, I think the deal with incels and low self-esteem (as pointed out by another poster, theotherconstant besides habitual Pornhub use) is that they want validation from women more than they actually want women. The root of that low self-esteem comes from, shocker, being constantly rejected for years and years and treated differently from attractive guys.

I remember for example, Otakutrevan said that his founding blackpill moment of sorts was in middle school and he was naively trying to show off his Game Boy Pokemon games to girls, and they were having none of that chit. Then one day, middle school Chad starts talking about Pokemon and the chicks are all over him, "ohmaigawd, IloveCharizard!"

And the natural conclusion anyone's going to draw from that is, "what's so different about him? What's wrong withme?"

So take that everyday sexual frustration, pair it with a shot of self-loathing, and repeat every day for years and years. Some chick in tight yoga pants at the gym is flirting with a Chad. A chick going for a run in a well-filled sports bra jogs right past you like you don't exist. Girls give you one-word answers at parties, then gush all over your friends. It really starts internalizing that you're unwanted.

And then dudes are like "if you want sex, just get a hooker. Can't be incel when you can pay for sex whenever!" That's a glib response that just misses the entire fukking point. Buying hookers just confirms that chicks will never want anything to do with you - they have to be paid hundreds of dollars just to let you touch them. And as far as the sex - you can jerk off to chicks just as hot as any local hooker for free on your cell phone.

I don't think incel brahs even want to have sex with these women, per se. They can get their nuts off to a Riley Reid compilation at any time - what a porn videocan'tgive them is that feeling of acceptance from other people, that they're not unwanted by half of humanity.

That undercurrent of rejection and self-loathing obviously fuels the discussion on any incel thread you want to pull up, and the easy access of internet porn keeps them stuck there. To use an analogy, it's like sexual frustration is a chronic pain that flares up and bothers you almost every day, and porn is like some REALLY powerful opiates that will temporarily numb it. The porn's never going to make the pain away (you're just going to keep LDAR'ing), but going outside and getting rejected just aggravates it even more, so how long are you going to try and cure it when you can just quench it on demand. And when that becomes a habit, you just end up stuck in a rut in the same pattern.

Tbh, if you look at incel boards, it almost sounds like a bunch of addicts or something off an Alice In Chains album. You have the depression, the self-loathing, the feelings of powerlessness to change it all, and the anger when someone says they may have a problem.

I think the best way to change it would be to be accepted by women, but women get hit on by dozens of weird dudes all the time and some of them are alotmore fukked up than your average coomer. So, the bitch shields have to stay up just for their own preservation. That's where therealincel survival strategy comes up - nuclear levels of cope and unwillingness to change their situation.

IME, you usually see this with the 30+ incel crowd, like InstantLoser or Wincel. I like both those guys, but you can tell that they've built up some SERIOUS mental defenses when it comes to chicks. The 20some incel crowd gets angry about their life, but the 30yos have just accepted and become numb to it - after spending so much of their lives alone and unwanted, it's almost more of a problem if some woman was to come into the picture and tries to change it. You're flipping decades of reality on its head there.

Thank you for attending my thesis defense on incels. You may now refer to me as Dr. *******.

Posted 2 minutes after I submitted? I bet you've been mashing F5 and waiting for my post all day.



I'm living in that noggin rent free, boyo.

You keep hanging on to my every word, bby. Keep an eye out, I might post tomorrow...

You seem to want it to fall into your lap without taking any initiative--and a few times it seems like it did, but you can't expect that to happen consistently. You have to put in effort. From what I've gathered from your posts, you have very low self-esteem, and it's not because of repeated rejections, because you've said yourself you refuse to even try.