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Originally Posted By Heaney⏩
YupI said they peaked? Or did I say they hadn't changed in 3 days?
How are we looking on those 46 million deaths btw?
How are we looking on those 46 million deaths btw?
You're going to have to link this 46 number.
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Originally Posted By ANumber1⏩
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Originally Posted By naaboo⏩
Cuomo is now saying that NYC "may" be "past the plateau" but since he simultaneously combines this with an ask for Federal help to achieve more testing (all the boroughs are getting testing centers now, etc.) I don't see how anyone could decide (either way) with confidence.I live in Manhattan, and let me tell you boyo...
I don't have to go to the supermarket for another 3-4 months.
Buy whatever you can afford.
I don't have to go to the supermarket for another 3-4 months.
Buy whatever you can afford.
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Originally Posted By Heaney⏩
Here in Philippines, in a certain city, a slum area is locked(military vehicles on entrances), cuz most cases are from that city. Department of Health says to expect all 9000 residents to be infected. Before the total lockdown of the area, people were out and about(these people were very poor - small cramped houses with big family inside). Some middle class/rich people here discriminates them and some even says to just shoot them(as the president said).Let's use 3rd world countries as fear propaganda!
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Originally Posted By Farley1324⏩
I guess you urging posters to watch a video is "different" and then calling them out for "not watching" and "not watching long enough" is "different".That's not a link but ok.
I haven't posted any videos either, so...lmao ideed
I haven't posted any videos either, so...lmao ideed
46 million will die though I'm sure you have your bottle ready to pop when the 46 millionth person dies. Let's just hope you live to be 500 to see it!
04-18-2020, 02:09 PM
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Originally Posted By ChristmasFnatic⏩
Your president is a psychopath.Here in Philippines, in a certain city, a slum area is locked(military vehicles on entrances), cuz most cases are from that city. Department of Health says to expect all 9000 residents to be infected. Before the total lockdown of the area, people were out and about(these people were very poor - small cramped houses with big family inside). Some middle class/rich people here discriminates them and some even says to just shoot them(as the president said).
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Originally Posted By Heaney⏩
I do believe you should watch a video before posting it, let alone declaring what it contains.I guess you urging posters to watch a video is "different" and then calling them out for "not watching" and "not watching long enough" is "different".
46 million will die though I'm sure you have your bottle ready to pop when the 46 millionth person dies. Let's just hope you live to be 500 to see it!
46 million will die though I'm sure you have your bottle ready to pop when the 46 millionth person dies. Let's just hope you live to be 500 to see it!
04-18-2020, 02:10 PM
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It would be illogical to base social distancing requirements on anything other than hospital capacity.His opinion from what I could gather, is that hospital capacity, not death or infection rates should determine the extent of the social distancing controls.
I don't think thats unreasonable at all. In fact I would challenge anyone who would think otherwise.
I don't think thats unreasonable at all. In fact I would challenge anyone who would think otherwise.
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Originally Posted By Farley1324⏩
Thanks for recapping it for us at least to show it is in fact a "more contagious flu" even though you felt the need to argue with a poster who posted that earlier. So this begs the question, are you just arguing for argument sake at this point?I do believe you should watch a video before posting it, let alone declaring what it contains.
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Originally Posted By Farley1324⏩
According to the numbers presented it would if it were more contagious as the poster you quoted assertedRight? Flu regularly kills 2500 people a day in the US

"2500 people a day"- has happened a total of 3 times, 1 of which was when NY dumped a bunch of non covid positive home deaths into the graph
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Originally Posted By Heaney⏩
How many of those were influenza?"2500 people a day"- has happened a total of 3 times
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All 11 cases in Greenland have recovered, once again proving that Plague, Inc. is surprisingly realistic.
https://www.newsweek.com/greenland-b...people-1497279
https://www.worldometers.info/corona...try/greenland/
https://www.newsweek.com/greenland-b...people-1497279
https://www.worldometers.info/corona...try/greenland/
Nah, fukk that. Iβm not doing that.
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Originally Posted By ANumber1⏩
You'd think there weren't tens of millions of people who think like this in our country. You'd be wrong.Surely homeschooling and being anti-science is giving her kid her best chance in life.
Early AM workout crew.
Holy crap dude, Satan's huge crew.
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Surely those signs are photoshopped...right?
right?
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There is no evidence that people who have recovered from coronavirus have immunity to the disease, the World Health Organisation (WHO) has said.
Epidemiologists warn there is no proof that antibody tests can show if someone who has been infected cannot be infected again.
https://news.sky.com/story/coronavir...warns-11975011
Speaking at a news conference in Geneva, Dr Maria van Kerkhove said: "There are a lot of countries that are suggesting using rapid diagnostic serological tests to be able to capture what they think will be a measure of immunity.
"Right now, we have no evidence that the use of a serological test can show that an individual has immunity or is protected from reinfection."
She added: "These antibody tests will be able to measure that level of seroprevalence - that level of antibodies - but that does not mean that somebody with antibodies means that they are immune."
Dr van Kerkhove said it was "a good thing" that so many tests are being developed, but said they will need to be validated "so that we know what they say they attempt to measure they are actually measuring"
But this is the WHO so maybe they are full of it and wrong as usual
Epidemiologists warn there is no proof that antibody tests can show if someone who has been infected cannot be infected again.
https://news.sky.com/story/coronavir...warns-11975011
Speaking at a news conference in Geneva, Dr Maria van Kerkhove said: "There are a lot of countries that are suggesting using rapid diagnostic serological tests to be able to capture what they think will be a measure of immunity.
"Right now, we have no evidence that the use of a serological test can show that an individual has immunity or is protected from reinfection."
She added: "These antibody tests will be able to measure that level of seroprevalence - that level of antibodies - but that does not mean that somebody with antibodies means that they are immune."
Dr van Kerkhove said it was "a good thing" that so many tests are being developed, but said they will need to be validated "so that we know what they say they attempt to measure they are actually measuring"
But this is the WHO so maybe they are full of it and wrong as usual
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Psychology Today
https://www.psychologytoday.com/intl...ial-distancing
Why Narcissists Ignore Social Distancing
In the age of COVID-19, narcissists can be dangerous to your health.
https://www.psychologytoday.com/intl...ial-distancing
Why Narcissists Ignore Social Distancing
In the age of COVID-19, narcissists can be dangerous to your health.
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The wealthy Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation called Wednesday for global cooperation to ready COVID-19 vaccines for 7 billion people, while offering an additional US$150 million toward developing therapeutics and treatments for the virus.
While it is likely to take as many as 18 months to develop and fully test a safe coronavirus vaccine, global authorities and businesses need to start now on plans to manufacture it, said foundation chief executive Mark Suzman.
"It's normal to have, at maximum, hundreds of millions of doses manufactured," he said.
"When you are dealing with a novel pathogen like COVID-19, as and when we get to identifying a successful vaccine, we are going to need billions of doses."
"There are 7 billion people on the planet," he said. "We are going to need to vaccinate nearly every one. There is no manufacturing capacity to do that."
Suzman announced the foundation, started and controlled by mega-billionaire Microsoft founder Bill Gates and his wife Melinda Gates, is adding US$150 million to the $100 million it announced in February to help in international efforts to battle the coronavirus pandemic.
Much of the money is to support the development of COVID-19 diagnostic tests, therapeutic treatments and vaccines, and to make them globally available, he said.
Some is also for helping the poorest countries in South Asia and Sub-Saharan Africa, which lack supplies, equipment and infrastructure to counter the new epidemic.
But the foundation has its focus on preparing for the creation of a vaccine that could effectively halt the spread of coronavirus.
Some 100 potential vaccines are being developed and tested by scientists around the world, Suzman said.
Many might appear hopeful in initial, small tests, he said, but most will fail in larger trials.
"A successful vaccine has to be available for 7 billion people. You need to test if there are unexpected side effects, or side effects within cohorts or groups, whether it's pregnant women or the elderly or the very young," said Suzman.
"The vast majority of vaccine candidates fail in those larger trials, the so-called phase-three trials."
Fastest vaccine ever
But even as those trials take place, he said, there needs to be an international group of experts, countries and companies honing in on those with the most promise and preparing ahead of time to manufacture them.
He said both China and the United States have to be part of the joint effort, as well as the World Health Organization. On Tuesday, US President Donald Trump said he was cutting off US funds for the WHO.
https://www.sciencealert.com/vaccina...tes-foundationWhile it is likely to take as many as 18 months to develop and fully test a safe coronavirus vaccine, global authorities and businesses need to start now on plans to manufacture it, said foundation chief executive Mark Suzman.
"It's normal to have, at maximum, hundreds of millions of doses manufactured," he said.
"When you are dealing with a novel pathogen like COVID-19, as and when we get to identifying a successful vaccine, we are going to need billions of doses."
"There are 7 billion people on the planet," he said. "We are going to need to vaccinate nearly every one. There is no manufacturing capacity to do that."
Suzman announced the foundation, started and controlled by mega-billionaire Microsoft founder Bill Gates and his wife Melinda Gates, is adding US$150 million to the $100 million it announced in February to help in international efforts to battle the coronavirus pandemic.
Much of the money is to support the development of COVID-19 diagnostic tests, therapeutic treatments and vaccines, and to make them globally available, he said.
Some is also for helping the poorest countries in South Asia and Sub-Saharan Africa, which lack supplies, equipment and infrastructure to counter the new epidemic.
But the foundation has its focus on preparing for the creation of a vaccine that could effectively halt the spread of coronavirus.
Some 100 potential vaccines are being developed and tested by scientists around the world, Suzman said.
Many might appear hopeful in initial, small tests, he said, but most will fail in larger trials.
"A successful vaccine has to be available for 7 billion people. You need to test if there are unexpected side effects, or side effects within cohorts or groups, whether it's pregnant women or the elderly or the very young," said Suzman.
"The vast majority of vaccine candidates fail in those larger trials, the so-called phase-three trials."
Fastest vaccine ever
But even as those trials take place, he said, there needs to be an international group of experts, countries and companies honing in on those with the most promise and preparing ahead of time to manufacture them.
He said both China and the United States have to be part of the joint effort, as well as the World Health Organization. On Tuesday, US President Donald Trump said he was cutting off US funds for the WHO.
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"I'm on day 51. Still weak off and on through the day, still have gunk in my lungs. I cried last night over the kitchen sink because I'm so sick of this. My breathing has been not too bad for the last week, but I woke up this morning feeling shortness of breath, which freaked me out. I thought that that symptom was over and done with.
I wish that there was more in the news about this presentation of the virus-the long lasting, up and down symptoms.
Big hugs to you! You're not alone. There are quite a few people that are going on 40+ days."
https://www.reddit.com/r/COVID19posi...y_anyone_else/
I wish that there was more in the news about this presentation of the virus-the long lasting, up and down symptoms.
Big hugs to you! You're not alone. There are quite a few people that are going on 40+ days."
https://www.reddit.com/r/COVID19posi...y_anyone_else/
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Originally Posted By PimpMasterC⏩
Imagine thinking anything written on Reddit is real"I'm on day 51. Still weak off and on through the day, still have gunk in my lungs. I cried last night over the kitchen sink because I'm so sick of this. My breathing has been not too bad for the last week, but I woke up this morning feeling shortness of breath, which freaked me out. I thought that that symptom was over and done with.
I wish that there was more in the news about this presentation of the virus-the long lasting, up and down symptoms.
Big hugs to you! You're not alone. There are quite a few people that are going on 40+ days."
https://www.reddit.com/r/COVID19posi...y_anyone_else/
I wish that there was more in the news about this presentation of the virus-the long lasting, up and down symptoms.
Big hugs to you! You're not alone. There are quite a few people that are going on 40+ days."
https://www.reddit.com/r/COVID19posi...y_anyone_else/
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Originally Posted By BruceJender⏩
If you read on that forum you will see that many people are sick for 50+ days. Which flu does that?Imagine thinking anything written on Reddit is real
"However, last night, 30 days since first symptoms and 24 days since cold symptoms disappeared, I suddenly felt flush, then got the chills, flipping back and forth from hot and cold. Checked my temp and it was 100.7. Now I'm freaking out, especially after reading about "reactivated" cases in South Korea. Does anybody have a similar experience? Can anyone calm me down?"
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Originally Posted By Farley1324⏩
no need to call me out like thatPsychology Today
https://www.psychologytoday.com/intl...ial-distancing
Why Narcissists Ignore Social Distancing
In the age of COVID-19, narcissists can be dangerous to your health.
https://www.psychologytoday.com/intl...ial-distancing
Why Narcissists Ignore Social Distancing
In the age of COVID-19, narcissists can be dangerous to your health.
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Originally Posted By Johnez⏩
Permanently damagedGoddam this thread is a disaster.
Can we just get back to news and updates?
Can we just get back to news and updates?
The Innsbruck University Clinic has found lung damage in recovered Covid sufferers. The damage is apparently permanent.
https://www.rainews.it/tgr/tagesscha...926ace61c.html
It is now undisputed that Covid-19 should be taken seriously as a serious illness. How the late effects will have an impact will only become clear step by step. Recovered patients in diving are also at particular risk. The massive changes in the lungs can significantly increase the risk of accidents, said the senior physician of the Innsbruck University Clinic, Frank Hartig.
He heads the emergency department in the hospital and is the responsible crisis coordinator for Covid 19 patients. In the clinic, doctors have treated dozens of coronavirus patients in the past few weeks, from symptom-free spreaders to intensive care patients on the heart-lung machine. Among them were six active divers, all of whom did not have to be treated in hospital, but cured themselves in home quarantines. All of them were not severe cases, their illnesses were five to six weeks ago and they are considered to have recovered. But they can no longer dive. "The damage to the lungs is irreversible," said Hartig in an interview with the APA. And the,
"This is shocking, we don't understand what's going on here. They are probably lifelong patients, so it doesn't matter whether they dive again or not," said the doctor. The bad news was made clear by lung CTs. "They didn't get any better at all in imaging," said Hartig. "As an emergency doctor with 20 years of experience, you swallow when you see something like this in a 40-year-old patient."
In the control after several weeks, two patients showed significant oxygen deficiency when under stress as a typical sign of persistent lung shunt. In two, the bronchi were still very excitable when under stress, as in asthmatics. Four out of the six divers still showed impressive lung changes on the control CT. "I even called on the X-ray to see if they had swapped the pictures because a healthy patient was sitting in front of us," said Hartig. "When they saw their own pictures, it was shocking for them," said the doctor. "You have to check regularly with such lung damage."
To what extent long-term effects remain on the lungs is unclear according to the doctor and is currently speculative. "We don't know how much of the changes will last," said the doctor. When looking at the findings, however, it is difficult "to believe in complete healing". He therefore published an interim report in the diving magazine "Wetnote" to warn active divers. "After a Covid infection, even if you have only mild symptoms, you should definitely have a dive doctor examine you thoroughly, even if you still have an upright medical examination," said Hartig.
Under no circumstances should former patients practice their sport in the summer without clarification. There is already a debate among doctors about artificial ventilation. More and more medical professionals are observing that the condition of Covid 19 patients deteriorates rapidly as soon as they are inserted into the trachea and connected to a counseling device. Hospitals in the USA have therefore been trying to delay ventilation for as long as possible. The first warnings came from Italy, where the majority of the ventilated patients died.
Such observations are also made in the Innsbruck clinic. Patients come to the outpatient clinic with low oxygen saturation, except for increased respiratory rate, they are fine according to the circumstances, although according to the textbook they should be intubated immediately in the case of such poor blood gases, Hartig reported. "If you give them two liters of oxygen, the oxygen saturation will get a little better, but a few hours later, many of them are in the intensive care unit with intubation and severe lung failure," said the doctor. Many doctors feel that oxygen triggers cascades.
"It is worrying what we experience and what we do in the intensive care unit and it is clear how little we know," said Hartig. "We are talking to people and feel like they are over the mountain and they are dying two hours later," said the emergency doctor. In the case of seriously ill people, it is sometimes shown that oxygen can also be counterproductive. Divers have a higher level of oxygen when diving, for example if they practice sport with Nitrox, a mixture of nitrogen with oxygen. This could be dangerous if "the lung tissue is still sensitive," warned Hartig. "For this summer we are dependent on expert opinions," he emphasized that studies will only be available next year.
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βCOVID-19 is not here, bro.β At Floridaβs reopened beaches, crowds gather, tempers flare
https://www.miamiherald.com/news/sta...242108506.html
Duval County opened its beaches Friday evening β with certain restrictions β but it appears that the stir-crazy crowds werenβt following the social distancing rules.
And now, a #FloridaMorons hashtag started trending on Twitter Saturday afternoon as social media users posted pictures on Twitter and ******** of shorelines full of people in the Jacksonville area, The Orlando Sentinel reported.
For what might be the first time, the names βBeavis & Butt-headβ β a cartoon about two, well, teenage morons that was popular on MTV in the 1990s β turned up in a Twitter slam aimed at #FloridaMorons...more in link
https://www.miamiherald.com/news/sta...242108506.html
Duval County opened its beaches Friday evening β with certain restrictions β but it appears that the stir-crazy crowds werenβt following the social distancing rules.
And now, a #FloridaMorons hashtag started trending on Twitter Saturday afternoon as social media users posted pictures on Twitter and ******** of shorelines full of people in the Jacksonville area, The Orlando Sentinel reported.
For what might be the first time, the names βBeavis & Butt-headβ β a cartoon about two, well, teenage morons that was popular on MTV in the 1990s β turned up in a Twitter slam aimed at #FloridaMorons...more in link
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Originally Posted By Farley1324⏩
"just a flu bro"Permanently damaged
The Innsbruck University Clinic has found lung damage in recovered Covid sufferers. The damage is apparently permanent.
https://www.rainews.it/tgr/tagesscha...926ace61c.html
It is now undisputed that Covid-19 should be taken seriously as a serious illness. How the late effects will have an impact will only become clear step by step. Recovered patients in diving are also at particular risk. The massive changes in the lungs can significantly increase the risk of accidents, said the senior physician of the Innsbruck University Clinic, Frank Hartig.
He heads the emergency department in the hospital and is the responsible crisis coordinator for Covid 19 patients. In the clinic, doctors have treated dozens of coronavirus patients in the past few weeks, from symptom-free spreaders to intensive care patients on the heart-lung machine. Among them were six active divers, all of whom did not have to be treated in hospital, but cured themselves in home quarantines. All of them were not severe cases, their illnesses were five to six weeks ago and they are considered to have recovered. But they can no longer dive. "The damage to the lungs is irreversible," said Hartig in an interview with the APA. And the,
"This is shocking, we don't understand what's going on here. They are probably lifelong patients, so it doesn't matter whether they dive again or not," said the doctor. The bad news was made clear by lung CTs. "They didn't get any better at all in imaging," said Hartig. "As an emergency doctor with 20 years of experience, you swallow when you see something like this in a 40-year-old patient."
In the control after several weeks, two patients showed significant oxygen deficiency when under stress as a typical sign of persistent lung shunt. In two, the bronchi were still very excitable when under stress, as in asthmatics. Four out of the six divers still showed impressive lung changes on the control CT. "I even called on the X-ray to see if they had swapped the pictures because a healthy patient was sitting in front of us," said Hartig. "When they saw their own pictures, it was shocking for them," said the doctor. "You have to check regularly with such lung damage."
To what extent long-term effects remain on the lungs is unclear according to the doctor and is currently speculative. "We don't know how much of the changes will last," said the doctor. When looking at the findings, however, it is difficult "to believe in complete healing". He therefore published an interim report in the diving magazine "Wetnote" to warn active divers. "After a Covid infection, even if you have only mild symptoms, you should definitely have a dive doctor examine you thoroughly, even if you still have an upright medical examination," said Hartig.
Under no circumstances should former patients practice their sport in the summer without clarification. There is already a debate among doctors about artificial ventilation. More and more medical professionals are observing that the condition of Covid 19 patients deteriorates rapidly as soon as they are inserted into the trachea and connected to a counseling device. Hospitals in the USA have therefore been trying to delay ventilation for as long as possible. The first warnings came from Italy, where the majority of the ventilated patients died.
Such observations are also made in the Innsbruck clinic. Patients come to the outpatient clinic with low oxygen saturation, except for increased respiratory rate, they are fine according to the circumstances, although according to the textbook they should be intubated immediately in the case of such poor blood gases, Hartig reported. "If you give them two liters of oxygen, the oxygen saturation will get a little better, but a few hours later, many of them are in the intensive care unit with intubation and severe lung failure," said the doctor. Many doctors feel that oxygen triggers cascades.
"It is worrying what we experience and what we do in the intensive care unit and it is clear how little we know," said Hartig. "We are talking to people and feel like they are over the mountain and they are dying two hours later," said the emergency doctor. In the case of seriously ill people, it is sometimes shown that oxygen can also be counterproductive. Divers have a higher level of oxygen when diving, for example if they practice sport with Nitrox, a mixture of nitrogen with oxygen. This could be dangerous if "the lung tissue is still sensitive," warned Hartig. "For this summer we are dependent on expert opinions," he emphasized that studies will only be available next year.
The Innsbruck University Clinic has found lung damage in recovered Covid sufferers. The damage is apparently permanent.
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It is now undisputed that Covid-19 should be taken seriously as a serious illness. How the late effects will have an impact will only become clear step by step. Recovered patients in diving are also at particular risk. The massive changes in the lungs can significantly increase the risk of accidents, said the senior physician of the Innsbruck University Clinic, Frank Hartig.
He heads the emergency department in the hospital and is the responsible crisis coordinator for Covid 19 patients. In the clinic, doctors have treated dozens of coronavirus patients in the past few weeks, from symptom-free spreaders to intensive care patients on the heart-lung machine. Among them were six active divers, all of whom did not have to be treated in hospital, but cured themselves in home quarantines. All of them were not severe cases, their illnesses were five to six weeks ago and they are considered to have recovered. But they can no longer dive. "The damage to the lungs is irreversible," said Hartig in an interview with the APA. And the,
"This is shocking, we don't understand what's going on here. They are probably lifelong patients, so it doesn't matter whether they dive again or not," said the doctor. The bad news was made clear by lung CTs. "They didn't get any better at all in imaging," said Hartig. "As an emergency doctor with 20 years of experience, you swallow when you see something like this in a 40-year-old patient."
In the control after several weeks, two patients showed significant oxygen deficiency when under stress as a typical sign of persistent lung shunt. In two, the bronchi were still very excitable when under stress, as in asthmatics. Four out of the six divers still showed impressive lung changes on the control CT. "I even called on the X-ray to see if they had swapped the pictures because a healthy patient was sitting in front of us," said Hartig. "When they saw their own pictures, it was shocking for them," said the doctor. "You have to check regularly with such lung damage."
To what extent long-term effects remain on the lungs is unclear according to the doctor and is currently speculative. "We don't know how much of the changes will last," said the doctor. When looking at the findings, however, it is difficult "to believe in complete healing". He therefore published an interim report in the diving magazine "Wetnote" to warn active divers. "After a Covid infection, even if you have only mild symptoms, you should definitely have a dive doctor examine you thoroughly, even if you still have an upright medical examination," said Hartig.
Under no circumstances should former patients practice their sport in the summer without clarification. There is already a debate among doctors about artificial ventilation. More and more medical professionals are observing that the condition of Covid 19 patients deteriorates rapidly as soon as they are inserted into the trachea and connected to a counseling device. Hospitals in the USA have therefore been trying to delay ventilation for as long as possible. The first warnings came from Italy, where the majority of the ventilated patients died.
Such observations are also made in the Innsbruck clinic. Patients come to the outpatient clinic with low oxygen saturation, except for increased respiratory rate, they are fine according to the circumstances, although according to the textbook they should be intubated immediately in the case of such poor blood gases, Hartig reported. "If you give them two liters of oxygen, the oxygen saturation will get a little better, but a few hours later, many of them are in the intensive care unit with intubation and severe lung failure," said the doctor. Many doctors feel that oxygen triggers cascades.
"It is worrying what we experience and what we do in the intensive care unit and it is clear how little we know," said Hartig. "We are talking to people and feel like they are over the mountain and they are dying two hours later," said the emergency doctor. In the case of seriously ill people, it is sometimes shown that oxygen can also be counterproductive. Divers have a higher level of oxygen when diving, for example if they practice sport with Nitrox, a mixture of nitrogen with oxygen. This could be dangerous if "the lung tissue is still sensitive," warned Hartig. "For this summer we are dependent on expert opinions," he emphasized that studies will only be available next year.
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