(Mods, if you are going to lock or delete this thread like one I made before, can you at least tell me why in a neg?)

S'up Misc,

I'm sure you guys have heard some of the talk about the dangers of 5G. I know some of you may dismiss it, or don't want to take the time to read through studies, well here are 2 good documentaries about 5G, and the dangers of a Wireless society...


5G Trojan Horse - Documentary.

Derrick Broze is an independent journalist, he began investigating 5G. In this documentary he talks about learning about the health risk, and also shows how corrupt the relationship is between the state and telecommunication companies.Hint: They only care about profit, and dismiss risks to health and privacy...



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJ07BhcM5_4


Alt Tube Links:

https://www.bitchute.com/video/xJ07BhcM5_4/

https://lbry.tv/@theconsciousresista...-documentary:9





Wireless Warfare Exposed - Documentary.

Dana Ashlie is an independent video maker who has become a major voice in Alt Media. She began investigating the health risks of using wireless device, and learned about how corrupt the relationship is between the state and telecommunication companies...



Alt Tube link:https://www.brighteon.com/b79208ca-6...1-386d034e7500


(Please Support Alt Tubes. I explain why here...https://forum.obnoxiousbrutes.com/showt...hp?t=178311211)


The brah who made the first video, wrote a free book about how to oppose what is happening...

https://theconsciousresistance.com/howto/

The only way to opt out of this is to learn to live off the land and prepare mentally and physically to live like you're in the 1700s.

Cliffs *******

Cliffs *******

tin foil hat is a little tight eh?

OP is a 5g conspiracy theorist

Cliffs: more 5G fear-mongering.

Cliffs: 5G is inherently no worse than 4G or 3G before it.

That's not the only way, brah. The book I linked talks about alternatives.

Activism against 5G, online and offline, is something that we can collectively do. The full 5G rollout hasn't happened yet, so there is still time to stop it.

Also, we can go from wireless to wired in your home, (you can even buy Ethernet Adapters for phones to use in your home - Rj45 adapters).

We can also pass on documentaries, and studies, to friends, family, and randoms on social media.

I agree. Dissenting voices are incrementally being marginalized.

Noone said anything when they came for the Alt Right (myself in included), now they are coming for anyone who is against the creation of a Technocracy.Yeah, it can be frustrating.

Unless it is a viewpoint held in the mainstream, people generally won't consider it. Hopefully documentaries like I posted can appeal to normies, who don't want to take the time to do their own research (or they will use it as a introduction to doing their own research).

what ******** Karen group is this from

No, it very clearly is. Because the range of the frequency is so short, they have to increase the amount of cell towers. Which means more celltowers in residential areas and near schools.

Also, you seem to write that as dismissing it as inconsequential. There are numerous studies concluding that high EMF exposure/Radiofrequency radiation, causes physical and mental health problems. So if it's'no worse than 3G and 5G'it's still bad, given that that there are going to be more cell towers around.

Strawman, neither of the videos make any claim that 5G causes COVID 19.

Another example of someone being conditioned to automatically dismiss something, without actually taking the time to learn about what they are dismissing.

I'll bite. How does it do it when 5g can't penetrate epidermis? Show me studies where 5g frequencies alter the cells of humans.

even u spouting truth homie nobody gonna listen cuz we want our smartphones and technology

I can show you one that proves 5g doesn't do chit:

https://www.epa.gov/radtown/electric...ds-power-lines

https://telecoms.com/503845/5g-consp...t-can-be-done/OP spreading conspiracy theories for attention. There's enough retardation on misc, let's not add to it.

If EMF/RF can't affect the body, why is it used in medical treatments to help heal the body?


Emerging medical applications based on non-ionizing electromagnetic fields from 0 Hz to 10 THz

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6746309/


Electromagnetic fields act via activation of voltage-gated calcium channels to produce beneficial or adverse effects

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3780531/

If it can't affect the body beyond the epidermis, why is it used in medical treatment beyond dermatology?(As you know, 5G is a radio frequency).

Here are some reviews of studies, that conclude that radiofrequency radiation affects us through the voltage-gated calcium channel, after citing and assessing the research...


Scientific evidence contradicts findings and assumptions of Canadian Safety Panel 6: microwaves act through voltage-gated calcium channel activation to induce biological impacts at non-thermal levels, supporting a paradigm shift for microwave/lower frequency electromagnetic field action.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25879308


"VGCCs occur in very high densities throughout the nervous system and have near universal roles in release of neurotransmitters and neuroendocrine hormones. Soviet and Western literature shows that much of the impact of non-thermal microwave exposures in experimental animals occurs in the brain and peripheral nervous system, such that nervous system histology and function show diverse and substantial changes."

"Two U.S. government reports from the 1970s to 1980s provide evidence for many neuropsychiatric effects of non-thermal microwave EMFs, based on occupational exposure studies. 18 more recent epidemiological studies, provide substantial evidence that microwave EMFs from cell/mobile phone base stations, excessive cell/mobile phone usage and from wireless smart meters can each produce similar patterns of neuropsychiatric effects, with several of these studies showing clear dose–response relationships.”

https://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...91061815000599


Here is a review, concluding that Radiofrequency radiation can increase in oxidative stress in tissues, and increases the concentration of free radicals...

"Several studies have reported that exposure to EMF results in oxidative stress in many tissues of the body. Exposure to EMF is known to increase free radical concentrations and traceability and can affect the radical couple recombination."

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/art...6/#!po=6.75676

"Evidence of free-radical damage has been repeatedly documented among humans, animals, plants and microorganisms for both extremely low frequency (ELF) electromagnetic fields (EMF) and for radio frequency (RF) radiation, neither of which is ionizing. "

https://www.researchgate.net/publica...n_cause_cancer

You can find the studies that they draw the conclusions from, in the footnotes.



When you combine the above, with the other studies concluding that there is a correlation betwen high RF exposure, and health and mental problems, e.g.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-017-16623-8

https://oem.bmj.com/content/57/4/258


then it seems clear that the notion that it can't pass the epidermis to affect us is likely outdate, and that the VGCC hypothesis seems more likely.


However, I am a laymen, and I am open to being proved wrong. I sincerely hope I am wrong. Why would I want to walk around being damage by RF radiation?

LOL.

A tragic comedy.

The dose makes the poison.

Not an area I've looked into. Just on the face of it the idea of more towers located more closely to more people seems like it's worth some consideration.

My astronomy prof talked about the effect of these kinds of waves on the human body (cell phones at the time).

I just answered some of the things stated in that quote, above.

In your quote it talks about the World Health Organisation and the International Commission on Non-Ionizing Radiation Protection - ICNIRP - declaring it safe, therefore it must be... Because they are the trusted authorities, right?


1) The corruption of the WHO has already been exposed, via their handling of COVID 19 and their exclusion of Taiwan from the WHO under the direction of China. Despite Taiwan having - objectively speaking - the best containment of the virus, in any country in the world.

"For nearly half a century, the People’s Republic of China has effectively blocked Taiwan from joining the WHO. Despite never having exercised authority over the island, the Chinese Communist Party CCP officially considers Taiwan part of its territory, and forces international organizations—including the United Nations and its agencies like the WHO—to affirm its view."

https://www.thenation.com/article/wo...navirus-china/

Cliffs: The WHO is a corrupt organization.


2)The International Agency for Research on Cancer IARC classified RF radiation - e.g. 5G, WIFI, 4G


"In May 2011 the International Agency for Research on Cancer IARC evaluated cancer risks from radiofrequency (RF) radiation. Human epidemiological studies gave evidence of increased risk for glioma and acoustic neuroma. RF radiation was classified as Group 2B, a possible human carcinogen. "

The WHO and the ICNIRP opposed that declaration, and declared it safe.

So does that mean that the WHO and ICNIRP are to be listened to? No.

Like we've seen regarding their management of COVID-19 and their relationship with Taiwan, the WHO is corrupt...

""RF radiation was classified as Group 2B, a possible human carcinogen. Further epidemiological, animal and mechanistic studies have strengthened the association. In spite of this, in most countries little or nothing has been done to reduce exposure and educate people on health hazards from RF radiation."

" In 2014 the WHO launched a draft of a Monograph on RF fields and health for public comments. It turned out that five of the six members of the Core Group in charge of the draft are affiliated with International Commission on Non-Ionizing Radiation Protection ICNIRP, an industry loyal NGO, and thus have a serious conflict of interest. Just as by ICNIRP, evaluation of non-thermal biological effects from RF radiation are dismissed as scientific evidence of adverse health effects in the Monograph. ""


To further explain the level of corruption in regards to the ICNIRP and WHO...

"Being a member of ICNIRP is a conflict of interest in the scientific evaluation of health hazards from RF radiation through ties to military and industry. This is particularly true since the ICNIRP guidelines are of huge importance to the influential telecommunications, military and power industries. Another conflict of interest is for members officially assessing possible health effects below their own set ICNIRP guidelines, which they have already stated as beeing safe, see also discussion in. Such persons would hardly have different opinions than those stated by ICNIRP. Critical views are not heard and a balanced scientific evaluation is not obtained.

It should be noted that the Ethical Board at the Karolinska Institute in Stockholm, Sweden concluded already in 2008 that being a member of ICNIRP may be a conflict of interest that should be stated officially whenever a member from ICNIRP makes opinions on health risks from EMF . No statement of such conflict of interest can be found in the WHO draft of the Monograph on RF radiation."

Cliffs: The WHO and the ICNIRP are corrupt organizations.



If you still trust the WHO and the ICNIRP after looking into 2 points that I've just made, then I have to ask the question... Why?

Where is the study?

I dont blame you guys for being ignorant srs, but did you know that legislation passed on March 23 2020 banned the testing and study of 5G @ 60 ghz on humans?

Now, why would the put that into law? Dont they care about us and the effects it has on us? Ill let you answer those for yourself.

They 5G threat is very, very real. If we just let them roll that chit outside to cover every square inch of our nation without testing and knowing the risks, we are ALL fools.4G IS NOT 5G, 5G is MUCH more powerful, we have never had that amount of EMF blasting through our bodies and brains continuously in history.

Fact of the matter is that this is one massive EXPERIMENT, and the blind sheep are just rolling with it thinking its being rolled out so rapidly for our benefit...

Do you think they will just shut it down and tear it down when mysterious illnesses or physiological phenomenon starts happening?

There have been very small size test and the doctors conducting it warned of the effects, and more tests are needed. They were denied funding flat out, the truth is all out there online if you actually look srs.

Lol, or surround yourself with a Farraday Cage. If all the conspiracy theories about this are true, then it sucks but not much we can do.

We're already exposed to so many toxins and shyt as it is.

it's just radio waves lol

Exactly, that alone IMO could be a cause for concern, especially for parents (i.e. Children's skulls aren't as thick as adults, so radiation penetrates deeper).

Seriously, who in their right mind wants to live next to a cell tower?

He doesn't have one. However, as I'm sure you know there have been studies on mice and the effects are very, very bad. Of course those are being censored and suppressed like all of the other truths they want to keep hidden.

u gon flip shiit when 6G drops bruh lol

If it can't affect the body beyond the epidermis, why is it used in medical treatment beyond dermatology?

Did you read the study or even the abstract? It is explained there. The frequencies differ widely. Even if we ignore MRI vs 5g wavelength differences the non-ionizing properties of the waves can only change the temperature with which a large bulk of these medical treatments rely on as per your study.

Scientific evidence contradicts findings and assumptions of Canadian Safety Panel 6: microwaves act through voltage-gated calcium channel activation to induce biological impacts at non-thermal levels, supporting a paradigm shift for microwave/lower frequency electromagnetic field action.[/I]

[URL=https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25879308]https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25879308[/URL]

sickening microwave study by 5g shill(look at Pall ML all published studies to see how obsessed he is) but also on the right hand side is a counterstudy[URL=https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17620299]https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17620299[/URL]
Also where's the summary, findings etc on the study. All I see is a shill abstract with a call to action in the end(It is time for a paradigm shift away from only thermal effects toward VGCC activation and consequent downstream effects.) Not very believable, is it?


[i]"VGCCs occur in very high densities throughout the nervous system and have near universal roles in release of neurotransmitters and neuroendocrine hormones. Soviet and Western literature shows that much of the impact of non-thermal microwave exposures in experimental animals occurs in the brain and peripheral nervous system, such that nervous system histology and function show diverse and substantial changes."

"Two U.S. government reports from the 1970s to 1980s provide evidence for many neuropsychiatric effects of non-thermal microwave EMFs, based on occupational exposure studies. 18 more recent epidemiological studies, provide substantial evidence that microwave EMFs from cell/mobile phone base stations, excessive cell/mobile phone usage and from wireless smart meters can each produce similar patterns of neuropsychiatric effects, with several of these studies showing clear dose–response relationships.”
[/i]
[URL=https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0891061815000599]https://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...91061815000599[/URL]


Here's ICNIRP guidelines for for limiting exposure and also showing there is no known meta-studies that support any evidence of negative effects of 5g.

[URL=https://www.icnirp.org/cms/upload/publications/ICNIRPrfgdl2020.pdf]https://www.icnirp.org/cms/upload/pu...Prfgdl2020.pdf[/URL]

in b4 "shills are funded by telcom probably"
They are by a small % behind a firewall aka. the researchers don't know where the money is coming from. They are also absolute experts in their field with 40+ years of research behind them each.

in b4 funding firewall is jet fuel melting steel beams.


Here is a review, concluding that Radiofrequency radiation can increase in oxidative stress in tissues, and increases the concentration of free radicals...

[i]"Several studies have reported that exposure to EMF results in oxidative stress in many tissues of the body. Exposure to EMF is known to increase free radical concentrations and traceability and can affect the radical couple recombination."[/i]

[URL=https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6025786/#!po=6.75676]https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/art...6/#!po=6.75676[/URL]

Let's get back to high-school physics and make sure we know what sort of radiation EMF is

[URL=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-ionizing_radiation]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-ionizing_radiation[/URL]
[URL=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromagnetic_radiation]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromagnetic_radiation[/URL]

Also let's see[URL=https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4496716/]https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4496716/[/URL]since correlation doesn't mean causation. We need to look at the whole lifestyle changes that are happening globally rather than nitpicking. Also non-ionizing.

"Evidence of free-radical damage has been repeatedly documented among humans, animals, plants and microorganisms for both extremely low frequency (ELF) electromagnetic fields (EMF) and for radio frequency (RF) radiation, neither of which is ionizing. "

[URL=https://www.researchgate.net/publication/311002388_When_theory_and_observation_collide_Can_non-ionizing_radiation_cause_cancer]https://www.researchgate.net/publica...n_cause_cancer[/URL]

You can find the studies that they draw the conclusions from, in the footnotes.

Of course, look at the sun. There's man-made and then there's natural. Sun, lighting etc. Nobody is arguing that sun causes cancer.[URL=https://www.who.int/peh-emf/meetings/archive/en/keynote3ng.pdf]https://www.who.int/peh-emf/meetings...keynote3ng.pdf[/URL]


When you combine the above, with the other studies concluding that there is a correlation betwen high RF exposure, and health and mental problems, e.g.

[URL=https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-017-16623-8]https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-017-16623-8[/URL]

[URL=https://oem.bmj.com/content/57/4/258]https://oem.bmj.com/content/57/4/258[/URL]


then it seems clear that the notion that it can't pass the epidermis to affect us is likely outdate, and that the VGCC hypothesis seems more likely.

Let's agree to disagree if it seems so clear to you. For me it seems pretty clear that it's the other way around.

However, I am a laymen, and I am open to being proved wrong. I sincerely hope I am wrong. Why would I want to walk around being damage by RF radiation?

I hope scientists are right as well. Otherwise if thousands if not hundreds of thousands of scientists around the world are out for money and all 5G research is funded by telcom companies then I don't want to live in a world where they knowingly allow themselves and their families, relatives and friends get dementia, cancer and other horrendous diseases 5g brings.

The bigger problem is that you guys are grabbing every available technology and calling it 5G. For example which 5G are we discussing here? Telecom 5G or WiFi 5G? Someone mentioned 60 GHz, but that's used exclusively for WiFi and isn't being installed on towers. Verizon's bands are currently 5GHz and 6GHz IIRC and T-Mobile took the opposite approach and their telecom 5G is at 600 MHz (less than 1 GHz). You guys are talking about ultra high, prolongeddirectexposure to extremely high frequencies. Not ******t exposure to telecom 5G (which is what is being installed on towers). Side note, Verizon's 5G antennas cannot penetrate building material so if a small cell 5G Verizon tower is on the street outside your house, you are not receiving exposure from those 5G antennas.

Noone has done that, that first documentary is clearly talking about.

We are talking about telecom 5G.

The second documentary is talking about radiofrequency radiation in general, 5G is (as you know) a radiofrequency.e.g. Living next to a cell tower.

5G, due to the short range of the frequency, requires more cell towers to built in residential areas, and near schools.

If you remember that, then please read these studies that speak about the affect of high EMF exposure...

Also, this study was carried out in real conditioned, not 5G... Just 4G and WIFI being the dominant ways of being exposed to EMFs...

Nature is one of - if not the - most highly respect peer reviewed scientific journals...

Exposure to Magnetic Field Non-Ionizing Radiation and the Risk of Miscarriage: A Prospective Cohort Study

"After controlling for multiple other factors, women who were exposed to higher MF levels had 2.72 times the risk of miscarriage"

"The increased risk of miscarriage associated with high MF was consistently observed regardless of the sources of high MF."

That is a real world condition study. The study explains how it was carried out...


"All pregnant women, aged 18 years or older, and residing in the participating Bay Area counties, were identified through the KPNC electronic medical record (EMR) laboratory database based on positive pregnancy tests. At KPNC"

" Among 1,627 eligible pregnant women, 1,054 agreed to participate in the study."

"All participating pregnant women were asked to carry an EMDEX Lite meter (Enertech Consultants Inc.) for 24 hours during pregnancy. The EMDEX Lite meter is specifically designed to measure MF, which is measured in milligauss mG."

"we designed the MF measurement to be conducted on a typical day - a day reflecting participants’ typical pattern of work and leisure activities during pregnancy. In the event that a participant’s daily activities might have been altered from what was originally planned, we also verified with the participants, at the end of the measurement period, whether the measurement day was indeed a typical day of their pregnancy. If not, the measurement day was classified as non-typical."

"In this study, we found an almost three-fold increased risk of miscarriage if a pregnant woman was exposed to higher MF levels compared to women with lower MF exposure. The association was independent of any specific MF exposure sources or locations, thus removing the concern that other factors connected to the sources of the exposure might account for the observed associations"

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-017-16623-8

To summarize...

They measure the women's typical 24 hours of EMF exposure. They concluded that women exposed to higher EMF - in comparison to the lower exposed group - have a 2.72 times increased likelihood of miscarrage.

At the time of the study 4G and WIFI were the dominant forms of increasing a person's exposure to EMF radiation.

Again... A real world conditions based study. Not"ultra high, prolonged direct exposure to extremely high frequencies", just women going about their lives like normal.

In my personal life, I always tell people I know with kids or are pregant, to resarch into RF radiation, and to avoid wifi and using 4G on their phones.To date, only one woman has told me that due to talking to me, she now switches off her wifi at her children't bedtime.People won't be able to have 5G in their homes, according to Verizon?

Let's say that's true... Children and adults will still be exposed through glass - e.g. Windows, and if they play out in their garden or street, or wait for a bus everday next to a celltower.

Not to mention kids in playgrounds being exposed to cell tower radiation, every time they go out and play at school.